Best MBAs for international students' placement


Duncan

Why not look at the FT ranking and see their respective scores for international mobility?

Why not look at the FT ranking and see their respective scores for international mobility?
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Indo

My question is just not confined to International mobility.
I want you to explain international mobility in greater detail.
I see many top US schools like Kenan Flagler ( US news Rank 12 ) has been Ranked 68 in international mobility.

So it means that if someone graduating from US has a lesser chance of going to another country and a person grsduating from London School of Business ( Rank 1 in International mobility ) will most probably end up in another country ??

I want ur take on the schools I have listed in my comment above. Regarding their placements etc.

Also add
Rotterdam , Netherlands to the list.

My question is just not confined to International mobility.
I want you to explain international mobility in greater detail.
I see many top US schools like Kenan Flagler ( US news Rank 12 ) has been Ranked 68 in international mobility.

So it means that if someone graduating from US has a lesser chance of going to another country and a person grsduating from London School of Business ( Rank 1 in International mobility ) will most probably end up in another country ??

I want ur take on the schools I have listed in my comment above. Regarding their placements etc.

Also add
Rotterdam , Netherlands to the list.
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Duncan

If you hover over the column heading you can see the definition used by the FT. Indeed, it means that someone who attends London Business School is most likely to change country because of their MBA, and attendees at UNC's MBA are less like to change country than in two-thirds of the other top 100 MBAs.

Placement information for these schools, and Rotterdam, is also in the FT ranking. There's lots of discussion on all these top schools in the discussion board. It would take you less time to search the board than it would take me to write a precis of it.

PS also see http://find-mba.com/lists/other-top-business-school-lists/top-10-mba-programs-in-england-for-25000-or-less

[Edited by Duncan on Jul 29, 2015]

If you hover over the column heading you can see the definition used by the FT. Indeed, it means that someone who attends London Business School is most likely to change country because of their MBA, and attendees at UNC's MBA are less like to change country than in two-thirds of the other top 100 MBAs.

Placement information for these schools, and Rotterdam, is also in the FT ranking. There's lots of discussion on all these top schools in the discussion board. It would take you less time to search the board than it would take me to write a precis of it.

PS also see http://find-mba.com/lists/other-top-business-school-lists/top-10-mba-programs-in-england-for-25000-or-less
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NiceLife

My question is just not confined to International mobility.
I want you to explain international mobility in greater detail.
I see many top US schools like Kenan Flagler ( US news Rank 12 ) has been Ranked 68 in international mobility.

One of the main reasons that most US schools have lower international mobility than schools in Europe or the UK because the US MBAs tend to recruit far less international students. Only around 1/3rd of UNC students are non-US students, and it's hard to imagine that many of the school's domestic students would consider trying to use the degree to go to another country.

However, almost 90 % of LBS MBAs are from outside of the UK, and for many of the international students, a main goal is to use the MBA to transition to another country (often the UK but elsewhere too.)

[quote]My question is just not confined to International mobility.
I want you to explain international mobility in greater detail.
I see many top US schools like Kenan Flagler ( US news Rank 12 ) has been Ranked 68 in international mobility.
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One of the main reasons that most US schools have lower international mobility than schools in Europe or the UK because the US MBAs tend to recruit far less international students. Only around 1/3rd of UNC students are non-US students, and it's hard to imagine that many of the school's domestic students would consider trying to use the degree to go to another country.

However, almost 90 % of LBS MBAs are from outside of the UK, and for many of the international students, a main goal is to use the MBA to transition to another country (often the UK but elsewhere too.)
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suzie

Hi Duncan,

May i get your opinion on London School of Commerce. It is listed here : http://www.studyin-uk.com/studyuk/mba-low-cost/ as one of few that offering mba/emba at very low cost.
I plan to find a job in uk, work part time during the course and full time working after graduation.

[Edited by suzie on Aug 01, 2015]

Hi Duncan,

May i get your opinion on London School of Commerce. It is listed here : http://www.studyin-uk.com/studyuk/mba-low-cost/ as one of few that offering mba/emba at very low cost.
I plan to find a job in uk, work part time during the course and full time working after graduation.
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Duncan

I don't think that will be an effective route to find work after graduation. Go to a traditional business school, one which can issue its own degrees, and ideally to a better than average one. Take a look at this listing: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/european-business-school-rankings-2014 Apply to MSc programmes in management if you have less than three years experience, and MBAs or specialised MSc degrees if you have more than three years work experience.

I don't think that will be an effective route to find work after graduation. Go to a traditional business school, one which can issue its own degrees, and ideally to a better than average one. Take a look at this listing: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/european-business-school-rankings-2014 Apply to MSc programmes in management if you have less than three years experience, and MBAs or specialised MSc degrees if you have more than three years work experience.
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suzie

Thank you Duncan
I have degree (not in business admin) and 10 years working experience. Does it means that it is hard to get a job with certs that we got from those certain bussines school (which offering low tuition fee) ?

[Edited by suzie on Aug 02, 2015]

Thank you Duncan
I have degree (not in business admin) and 10 years working experience. Does it means that it is hard to get a job with certs that we got from those certain bussines school (which offering low tuition fee) ?
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Duncan

It's about the quality of the school, not the cost. It's easier to find work from good universities, and not easy to find it from bad universities. LSC, of course, is not a university and does not have the right to issue its own degrees. If you want to work in the UK at the MBA level, then the best options are on this page: Best schools for international students' placement http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143

If you budget is limited, then take an MSc programme.

It's about the quality of the school, not the cost. It's easier to find work from good universities, and not easy to find it from bad universities. LSC, of course, is not a university and does not have the right to issue its own degrees. If you want to work in the UK at the MBA level, then the best options are on this page: Best schools for international students' placement http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143

If you budget is limited, then take an MSc programme.
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suzie

Thank you so much Duncan. Really appreciate your advice.

Thank you so much Duncan. Really appreciate your advice.
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1000grad

Hi everybody, which is the better MBA program for international student placement:

RSM Rotterdam
Cranfield
ESSEC

??

Thank you!

Hi everybody, which is the better MBA program for international student placement:

RSM Rotterdam
Cranfield
ESSEC

??

Thank you!
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Duncan

Why not read the FT or Economist data?

Why not read the FT or Economist data?
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QGwen

Hi Duncan,
I am thinking of applying for Uni of Bath in MSc management course and also thinking of Sussex and Aston uni. I have a BA in Chinese and QCF level 6 diploma in Business Management. I only have part time work experience. But I have competed in Business plan competitions at national and international level and won some prizes. I have 7.5 overall band in IELTS but no GMAT.

Do u think I can get in to the Uni of Bath? Can you give me some advice which school sh I apply?
Thanks a lot!!!

Hi Duncan,
I am thinking of applying for Uni of Bath in MSc management course and also thinking of Sussex and Aston uni. I have a BA in Chinese and QCF level 6 diploma in Business Management. I only have part time work experience. But I have competed in Business plan competitions at national and international level and won some prizes. I have 7.5 overall band in IELTS but no GMAT.

Do u think I can get in to the Uni of Bath? Can you give me some advice which school sh I apply?
Thanks a lot!!!
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Dear Ducan,

Thanks for this inspiring and informative gesture towards this topic session,also with the ways you address each issues analytically.
Actually please I would want to know any good MBA school I can attend as I have a low GPA in my degree which has affected ny choice but have worked for up to 7years now.
I will be so glad to hear from you soon.

Thanks

Dear Ducan,

Thanks for this inspiring and informative gesture towards this topic session,also with the ways you address each issues analytically.
Actually please I would want to know any good MBA school I can attend as I have a low GPA in my degree which has affected ny choice but have worked for up to 7years now.
I will be so glad to hear from you soon.

Thanks
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Duncan

Most school will not rule out a candidate with a low GPA if they have a strong GMAT. Search the board for my post on GMAT Tiers.

Most school will not rule out a candidate with a low GPA if they have a strong GMAT. Search the board for my post on GMAT Tiers.
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Maverick85

I am surprised not to see INSEAD in that list :)

I am surprised not to see INSEAD in that list :)
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Duncan

Really? Take a look at the method I used. It doesn't get into my list because of the low percentage of alumni in employment after the end of the programme: 83%.

Really? Take a look at the method I used. It doesn't get into my list because of the low percentage of alumni in employment after the end of the programme: 83%.
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Maverick85

Yes I saw the methodology but then it beats the general perception or stats in some cases.
For example, all over the forum there are numerous fact based discussions of the importance of learning local language to land up jobs.
However, in the list 4 out of top 6 schools are from non English speaking nations! How do these 2 things not contradict each other or am I thinking wrong? Is it that those 4 schools get a lot of international students who are very proficient in Spanish and French and not just language proficiency but the job market is very strong there? The list also contains schools like Mannheim and St Gallen, where again German is the local language! So again the question, does St Gallen get so many international students fluent in German language and are able to place them in German region?
I think I have made my point clear, I agree with the fact that knowledge of local language is an absolute must but then this list seems contradictory to me.

Yes I saw the methodology but then it beats the general perception or stats in some cases.
For example, all over the forum there are numerous fact based discussions of the importance of learning local language to land up jobs.
However, in the list 4 out of top 6 schools are from non English speaking nations! How do these 2 things not contradict each other or am I thinking wrong? Is it that those 4 schools get a lot of international students who are very proficient in Spanish and French and not just language proficiency but the job market is very strong there? The list also contains schools like Mannheim and St Gallen, where again German is the local language! So again the question, does St Gallen get so many international students fluent in German language and are able to place them in German region?
I think I have made my point clear, I agree with the fact that knowledge of local language is an absolute must but then this list seems contradictory to me.
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Duncan

Learning a language is easier than learning an MBA. Schools place students internationally, not only in the country where those schools are based. There are some roles that don't require the language from the start, even if it is needed to progress.

HSG is a special case, since Germany and Austria are larger countries that have a lot of people who speak German. Similarly with the Spanish schools, many people in Latin countries speak Spanish. So... Those data show placement for international students, not only for monoglots.

[Edited by Duncan on Jan 26, 2017]

Learning a language is easier than learning an MBA. Schools place students internationally, not only in the country where those schools are based. There are some roles that don't require the language from the start, even if it is needed to progress.

HSG is a special case, since Germany and Austria are larger countries that have a lot of people who speak German. Similarly with the Spanish schools, many people in Latin countries speak Spanish. So... Those data show placement for international students, not only for monoglots.
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sean035

For those who are looking to relocate to Europe, it is important to look at the statistics of the cohorts.
To increase your chances of finding employment in Europe, you need to target universities that have a cohort of 80% plus Europeans.

Your fellow MBA students are the main networking opportunities you will develop during your MBA.
Therefore you have to directly ask the question which percentage of the cohort comes from Europe.
If you are looking at doing a full time MBA be specific in your question and ask just for the statistics for the full time MBA.
Executive/part time MBA programmes tend to have a stronger local cohort and some universities may give you the the average of the full time and the part time MBA in order to paint a rosier picture.
MBA programmes generate big revenues for universities and admission teams have a fixed number of students they have to recruit in order to hit their revenue targets.

[Edited by sean035 on Sep 15, 2015]

For those who are looking to relocate to Europe, it is important to look at the statistics of the cohorts.
To increase your chances of finding employment in Europe, you need to target universities that have a cohort of 80% plus Europeans.

Your fellow MBA students are the main networking opportunities you will develop during your MBA.
Therefore you have to directly ask the question which percentage of the cohort comes from Europe.
If you are looking at doing a full time MBA be specific in your question and ask just for the statistics for the full time MBA.
Executive/part time MBA programmes tend to have a stronger local cohort and some universities may give you the the average of the full time and the part time MBA in order to paint a rosier picture.
MBA programmes generate big revenues for universities and admission teams have a fixed number of students they have to recruit in order to hit their revenue targets.




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sean035

@Duncan
Very valid point.

One of the main explanations (if not the explanaition) is that English Universities are run like businesses.
Their Admission teams have fixed numbers to hit in order to fulfill their revenue targets and in the process the quality may suffer.

The non English speaking universities you mentioned are known for focusing first on selecting the best students and to a lesser extent on hitting their revenue targets.

You need to be very clear that doing an MBA is substantial investment, therefore your decision must to be purely rational.
An MBA which does not get you the dream job you are looking for is a waste of time and money.
Don't be fooled by pretty pictures, brochures, charming admission teams and websites which promise you the world and deliver an atlas.

[Edited by sean035 on Sep 15, 2015]

@Duncan
Very valid point.

One of the main explanations (if not the explanaition) is that English Universities are run like businesses.
Their Admission teams have fixed numbers to hit in order to fulfill their revenue targets and in the process the quality may suffer.

The non English speaking universities you mentioned are known for focusing first on selecting the best students and to a lesser extent on hitting their revenue targets.

You need to be very clear that doing an MBA is substantial investment, therefore your decision must to be purely rational.
An MBA which does not get you the dream job you are looking for is a waste of time and money.
Don't be fooled by pretty pictures, brochures, charming admission teams and websites which promise you the world and deliver an atlas.





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