Best MBAs for international students' placement


Duncan

I don't agree with Sean's points here.

I understand why you might feel that it's helpful to have lots of domestic students. However, when we actually look at the schools that are best in placing international students what we actually find is that it's the quality of the school rather than the percentage of domestic students that really predicts the outcome.

MBA do generate a lot of revenue: they are expensive to run, and the fees reflect the costs. However, the full-time MBA makes a loss at every non-profit university I am aware of. So, it's mistaken to say that non-profit state universities in the UK or Europe are run like businesses. It's evidently not the case. They do not return a profit to their shareholders.

That is also the case at HSG and Mannheim. Nor are they focussed simply on recruiting the best students (as if best was a simple thing). That is not the case. They are recruiting strong students who they can also place with their corporate partners.

But, as you say, the thing here is to use the data available, to set goals and to make decisions rationally that meet those goals. On that, we agree.

[Edited by Duncan on Oct 29, 2015]

I don't agree with Sean's points here.

I understand why you might feel that it's helpful to have lots of domestic students. However, when we actually look at the schools that are best in placing international students what we actually find is that it's the quality of the school rather than the percentage of domestic students that really predicts the outcome.

MBA do generate a lot of revenue: they are expensive to run, and the fees reflect the costs. However, the full-time MBA makes a loss at every non-profit university I am aware of. So, it's mistaken to say that non-profit state universities in the UK or Europe are run like businesses. It's evidently not the case. They do not return a profit to their shareholders.

That is also the case at HSG and Mannheim. Nor are they focussed simply on recruiting the best students (as if best was a simple thing). That is not the case. They are recruiting strong students who they can also place with their corporate partners.

But, as you say, the thing here is to use the data available, to set goals and to make decisions rationally that meet those goals. On that, we agree.
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Can anybody share their thoughts(or experience)on California State University MBA programs?, Among the many, such as Long Beach, Northridge etc.,which are the recommended ones for an international student, who wants to work in California after his or her studies?

Can anybody share their thoughts(or experience)on California State University MBA programs?, Among the many, such as Long Beach, Northridge etc.,which are the recommended ones for an international student, who wants to work in California after his or her studies?
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Duncan

I am not sure that any of those schools would claim to be a safe route into US employment. Doesn't one of them at least have a STEM designation? Search the board for CSU for discussion. Also see my profile page for the article linked from there called Shortcut to find US MBA.

PS Thanks to Razors Edge for the answer below!

[Edited by Duncan on Sep 30, 2015]

I am not sure that any of those schools would claim to be a safe route into US employment. Doesn't one of them at least have a STEM designation? Search the board for CSU for discussion. Also see my profile page for the article linked from there called Shortcut to find US MBA.

PS Thanks to Razors Edge for the answer below!
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Razors Edg...

I believe that CSU Fullerton's MBA in Information Systems is STEM designated. It's a good deal for international students looking to transition to the US, since after graduating you get 29 months on a work visa. Although a more effective strategy would probably be to do your MBA at a ranked business school in California, like UCLA or Haas. :)

I believe that CSU Fullerton's MBA in Information Systems is STEM designated. It's a good deal for international students looking to transition to the US, since after graduating you get 29 months on a work visa. Although a more effective strategy would probably be to do your MBA at a ranked business school in California, like UCLA or Haas. :)
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Yes that's right. Not only Information systems, but also concentrations in Business analytics and decision sciences.
But I am concerned about CSUF ranking. Also, startclass says it's average post graduation salary is only USD 62666.
On the contrary, an MBA from UCLA or Haas do not have the privilege of 29 months of work visa.
..Both have their own advantages and limitations

Yes that's right. Not only Information systems, but also concentrations in Business analytics and decision sciences.
But I am concerned about CSUF ranking. Also, startclass says it's average post graduation salary is only USD 62666.
On the contrary, an MBA from UCLA or Haas do not have the privilege of 29 months of work visa.
..Both have their own advantages and limitations
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Duncan

Obviously no-one who attends CSUF has been offered a place at UCLA or Haas. The greater upside is more than worth the risk for students who want MBA level roles. However, for international students looking for a low-risk, low-reward option it's certainly one to consider.

Obviously no-one who attends CSUF has been offered a place at UCLA or Haas. The greater upside is more than worth the risk for students who want MBA level roles. However, for international students looking for a low-risk, low-reward option it's certainly one to consider.
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Razors Edg...

Yes that's right. Not only Information systems, but also concentrations in Business analytics and decision sciences.
But I am concerned about CSUF ranking. Also, startclass says it's average post graduation salary is only USD 62666.
On the contrary, an MBA from UCLA or Haas do not have the privilege of 29 months of work visa.
..Both have their own advantages and limitations

If you're concerned about post-MBA salaries then CSUF is probably not the right choice.

With UCLA and Haas you'd be able to leverage much better career resources. You'd get a standard 12-month OPT visa - and since these schools have 90%+ placement rates within three months after graduation, the risk is quite low.

[quote]Yes that's right. Not only Information systems, but also concentrations in Business analytics and decision sciences.
But I am concerned about CSUF ranking. Also, startclass says it's average post graduation salary is only USD 62666.
On the contrary, an MBA from UCLA or Haas do not have the privilege of 29 months of work visa.
..Both have their own advantages and limitations
[/quote]
If you're concerned about post-MBA salaries then CSUF is probably not the right choice.

With UCLA and Haas you'd be able to leverage much better career resources. You'd get a standard 12-month OPT visa - and since these schools have 90%+ placement rates within three months after graduation, the risk is quite low.
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What about IBEAR MBA then?

What about IBEAR MBA then?
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Duncan

Those things are not true for IBEAR. I asked a few alumni, who said US placement was a 50:50 thing. Obviously it is not so selective, which a lower GMAT, a cohort that is less attractive to employers, a shorter program lacking the internship and project elements of the main MBA. It is best for students intending to return to their companies or home regions.

Those things are not true for IBEAR. I asked a few alumni, who said US placement was a 50:50 thing. Obviously it is not so selective, which a lower GMAT, a cohort that is less attractive to employers, a shorter program lacking the internship and project elements of the main MBA. It is best for students intending to return to their companies or home regions.
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etch

I went through all posts here on Find MBA, i've made my research and based on my goals am settled on Warwick DL program and i have two question,
Does Warwick DL program grant the triple crown accreditation or just AMBA?
Do they mention DL in the certificate, trans script or any other credentials?
thank you

I went through all posts here on Find MBA, i've made my research and based on my goals am settled on Warwick DL program and i have two question,
Does Warwick DL program grant the triple crown accreditation or just AMBA?
Do they mention DL in the certificate, trans script or any other credentials?
thank you
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Duncan

The triple crown is not an accreditation. Is is a figure of speech to describe schools with AACSB, AMBA and EQUIS accreditation. I don't think there are any business schools that mention distance learning on the certificate, but the dates on the transcripts will show to anyone familiar with the schools that you were a DL student. And your resume, surely, will also show that you were not in Coventry for three years.

The triple crown is not an accreditation. Is is a figure of speech to describe schools with AACSB, AMBA and EQUIS accreditation. I don't think there are any business schools that mention distance learning on the certificate, but the dates on the transcripts will show to anyone familiar with the schools that you were a DL student. And your resume, surely, will also show that you were not in Coventry for three years.
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etch

thank you Duncan, yes i meant these by mentioning the triple crown, so if the school accredited by the three of them then the DL will inherit it?
your absolutely right about DL period point "as always" however almost all European DL programs are kinda long but IE business school is doing it better its 15 months only but expensive!

thank you Duncan, yes i meant these by mentioning the triple crown, so if the school accredited by the three of them then the DL will inherit it?
your absolutely right about DL period point "as always" however almost all European DL programs are kinda long but IE business school is doing it better its 15 months only but expensive!
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Duncan

You can check on the AMBA and EFMD websites to see which Warwick programmes they have accredited.

You can check on the AMBA and EFMD websites to see which Warwick programmes they have accredited.
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etch

thanks again Duncan, AMBA confirms that warwick DL program is accredited but AACSB and EFMD dose not clarify which program , they only say that warwick is accredited without mentioning which program

thanks again Duncan, AMBA confirms that warwick DL program is accredited but AACSB and EFMD dose not clarify which program , they only say that warwick is accredited without mentioning which program
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Duncan

AASCB does not accredit programmes: it accredits schools. EFMD has different accreditations, some are school-wide and some are only at the programme level. It will be obvious from the different accreditation lists.

AASCB does not accredit programmes: it accredits schools. EFMD has different accreditations, some are school-wide and some are only at the programme level. It will be obvious from the different accreditation lists.
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It looks like Imperial and Cranfield are neck and neck for international placements. I've applied to both of them! Can you advise on which would be better, solely on the metric of placements in the UK?

It looks like Imperial and Cranfield are neck and neck for international placements. I've applied to both of them! Can you advise on which would be better, solely on the metric of placements in the UK?
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Duncan

They are not neck and neck. Cranfield is better for international mobility and for placement services.

They are not neck and neck. Cranfield is better for international mobility and for placement services.
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Hi Duncan,

Which is the best master in marketing for placements in UK.....Cranfield or ESCP?

FT dont publish master in marketing data, is there any source to get that detailed information?

Hi Duncan,

Which is the best master in marketing for placements in UK.....Cranfield or ESCP?

FT dont publish master in marketing data, is there any source to get that detailed information?
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Duncan

I think you can use the MSc in management data and get a close proxy.

[Edited by Duncan on Oct 31, 2015]

I think you can use the MSc in management data and get a close proxy.
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adrsta

Hi Duncan,
I am from India with 6 years of experience in IT.
I have a GMAT score of 640.
I want to know your views on the 10 month Global MBA program offered by EDHEC business school in France. My main points of concern are:

1. How would you rate the placement success rate of this program?
2. Is working knowledge of French absolutely necessary to get hired in France? I am willing to learn the language, but I will need some time : )
3. Are there internships offered in this program?
4. I want to work in consulting. Is getting admitted to this program a good idea? Is there any other school I should look at?

Thanks,
A

[Edited by adrsta on Nov 05, 2015]

Hi Duncan,
I am from India with 6 years of experience in IT.
I have a GMAT score of 640.
I want to know your views on the 10 month Global MBA program offered by EDHEC business school in France. My main points of concern are:

1. How would you rate the placement success rate of this program?
2. Is working knowledge of French absolutely necessary to get hired in France? I am willing to learn the language, but I will need some time : )
3. Are there internships offered in this program?
4. I want to work in consulting. Is getting admitted to this program a good idea? Is there any other school I should look at?

Thanks,
A
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