Hi Priya,

No, you're not disturbing me. Why do you ask?

Take a look at Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

I think that if you don't speak intermediate German now then I don't see how you will get to a professional standard by September. Your German might not improve much while you are studying in English. Indeed, you should attend the best school you should if you want to work in Germany.

Thanks a lot Duncan,
Reason I didn't learn because I was not sure I will be eligible for German or not.
Then Can I ask you.
I am ready to move any part of the world if it suits to my criteria.
I am looking for 1 to 1.5 year Masters(MBA) with limited Budget with average Job prospects.
I was looking for Dublin Ireland. But Ireland Unemployment rate is bit high.
Also I was favoring to New zealand but fees is too high.
Can you please suggest me short masters with not so high budget?

I lost all hopes for germany :'(((

I'm really not sure what your goals are. If you want an average MBA with average job prospects, why not stay where you are?

If you want to work in any other country, then Canada, the Philippines and Singapore come to find as countries that are open to foreign talent. I guess, from what you have written, that you are working as an accountant and are a member of the ICA. Australia seems to be favoured destination for Indian accountants. There are many masters in professional accounting there, which are perfect for foreign students without knowledge of accounting. Having studies accounting, it's much easier for you. The ICA has sister organisations around the world which recognise its qualifications (e.g. http://www.charteredaccountants.com.au/Members/Membership/Recognised-overseas-accounting-bodies/Recognition-Policy-for-ICA-India-members).

If you want to move both continent and career, then I suggest your move continent first, and then move career after settling in your new home.

I am not accountant.I am software Engineer by profession
I am planning to achieve High score in GMAT and then will Proceed

That sounds like a great idea. If you're interested in Europe, do also think about a language course. Any language, but especially German, French, Spanish or Dutch, is a great sign for admissions committees.

Hi Duncan,

The school recently launched MBA. Could you please share your thoughts.

I found interesting - known school, 15 month (3 month Thesis), 3 day study mode and school is offering German langaue classes (no idea of depth of it)

Thanks.

I can't see who would hire people from this programme: only two years of work experience, and only two electives: they can't complete with MFin graduates. Two semesters of two half-days a week of German is nice, that's like a eight week intensive course: enough to go from A1 to A2, but not enough to go to fluency.

Hi Duncan,

Thanks for the reply, two years of work-ex I see as min requirement, but yes, will have to see of what expereince the class would comprise of.

I got admit to MFin from Frankfurt School of Finance and Management. Not sure to pursue or not as expensive and I have 8 years of expereince.

Applied to ESMT MBA and waiting for next steps.

Thanks and regards
Vinayak

Hi Duncan,

I have
1) admit from Frankfurt School of finance (FS) in MSc finance
2) interview call from ESMT for MBA

I am also considering MSc IBON in strategic management from Berlin School of Economics

I have 8+years of experience and I am deeply interested in moving to Germany from India. I am not sure how Management programs in Germany are evaluated by recruiters. Further, both FS and ESMT are pretty expensive.

Could you suggest 1 or 1.5 year programs in management or finance in English that are publicly funded or are low cost options?

I want to have them as options to simultaneously pursue CFA and APICS. This would allow me to position well with recruiters.

I am already working on German.

Regards

Sure, look at the FT MiF ranking and add the column for fees. The CFA also has a good listing of its partner programmes. There's an easy rule of thumb for fees: the more private the school, the more neoliberal the country, the higher the fees.

Thanks Duncan!

The FT MiF list has only one listing from Germany and that is again Frankfurt School which is both expensive and two year program.

Could you please suggest some schools from Germany as my goal is to live and work here.

I was considering many MSc programs from HWR, but I see you not suggesting it on many posts.

Could you please suggest a management or finance program from Germany which charges no or nominal tuition fee and is max 1.5 years of duration? I would love if program offers a in-company project option.

Thanks and Regards!

Interesting question. How good is your German?

I am non-German speaker and have started to learn.

I hope to be at intermediate level by the time I land in job market that is at least 1.5 years from now.

Regards!

Hmm. If you've only just started, then you won't have German at a professional level (indeed, even an intermediate level if you're studying in English). Take a look at Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

That rules out many corporate finance roles, and if you're interested in APICS then perhaps you;re looking at a corporate role in manufacturing. I'm not sure how realistic that is if you don't have German at a professional level. In that scenario, you'd really have to focus on top schools which place into investment banking or investment management roles that have English as a working language. Those roles typically go to Germans who have studied at LBS, Harvard or Insead, but the EBS and Mannheim are two good options in Germany.

There certainly are cheaper programmes in Germany, and the daad.de website has a good listing, but I doubt that inexpensive programmes will have any serious placement into CFA-type roles that don't require German. It may be more effective for you to take intensive German for one or two semesters and then take a one year masters taught in German.

Thanks Duncan.

I got your point, I think without German as a strength it is tough to get into good roles. I will focus on that as Germany remains my priority.

Can you tell what is the problem HWR exactly faces with its programs?

And just two quick questions:
1) Is situation in the Netherlands no different than Germany with respect to English and Dutch?
2) Do you have any thoughts on Masters in Business Engineering from Louvain School of Management, Belgium?

You are being great support!!

Regards!

Yes, I think the language situation is broadly similar in the workplace.

HWR faces a few problems, and thats why it does not claim to have strong career placement in Germany: it's a poorly-funded Fachhochschule; does not have a strong alumni network or careers services in the way a traditional university or elite business school would; and it's in one of Europe's most economically depressed cities. I've had these points before on the board about HWR; try to search.

Louvain is a good school but an issue in Belgium is that most of the MBA-type jobs in Belgium are in Brussels, where the workplace is often bilingual or trilingual. I think someone who was of a professional standard in only one language will find Belgium tricky to find an MBA role in.

Thanks Duncan.

I think Germany all in all is good to focus with strong economy and broader job market. I'll do needful for German.

Regards!

Remember that the Germany economy is very regional. Berlin has half -- yes half! -- the GDP per capita of the big West Germany cities. It's not an easy place to find work.

Thanks Duncan,

In didn't get this - economy regional - you mean other countries in Europe may be more international for job prospects?

Berlin is not my priority, I want to come to Germany for SCM & Finance. SCM as one of the biggest exporters and Finance as biggest economy. My experience and education also combine the two.

Regards!

I mean that Germany is a federal state, and labour mobility is limited between the regions. As a result, universities have local alumni networks and placement relationships.

In contrast, France and the UK are highly concentrated, and the best schools are all around an hour from the capital.

I'm not sure how you can work in the supply chain without the local language at a high professional level.