Let's discuss the FT2013 MBA ranking!


willian123

Let's discuss the MBA's performance by FT 2013 MBA ranking which will be released in 28,Jan 2013.

Let's discuss the MBA's performance by FT 2013 MBA ranking which will be released in 28,Jan 2013.

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willian123

Let me go first.

Bath Leeds Strathclyde (New entrants)

Bradford (rises obviously or out of the ranking)

Birmingham Aston Durham (Fall off)

Let me go first.

Bath Leeds Strathclyde (New entrants)

Bradford (rises obviously or out of the ranking)

Birmingham Aston Durham (Fall off)
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Duncan

I think the UK schools will continue to fall generally. Salaries at Bath are so low: how can they get back in? Leeds had a terrible time the year before last: I don't see how it could have recovered.

PS I think Aston, Durham and Bradford can expect to go. I have a good feeling about Birmingham though. Cranfield and Edinburgh may do better, relative to the other UK schools. I think Warwick and Imperial will dip down.

I think the UK schools will continue to fall generally. Salaries at Bath are so low: how can they get back in? Leeds had a terrible time the year before last: I don't see how it could have recovered.

PS I think Aston, Durham and Bradford can expect to go. I have a good feeling about Birmingham though. Cranfield and Edinburgh may do better, relative to the other UK schools. I think Warwick and Imperial will dip down.
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willian123

I think the UK schools will continue to fall generally. Salaries at Bath are so low: how can they get back in? Leeds had a terrible time the year before last: I don't see how it could have recovered.

PS I think Aston, Durham and Bradford can expect to go. I have a good feeling about Birmingham though. Cranfield and Edinburgh may do better, relative to the other UK schools. I think Warwick and Imperial will dip down.


Thanks Duncan! So detailed analysis ,very reasonable!

One more interesting thing.I asked why Bath MBA wasn't ranked by Financial Times Global MBA rankings which published in 30th January 2012?

They told me that ,"we have now passed the three-year rule which the Financial Times stipulates and have already submitted our surveys so we very much hope to re-enter this ranking in 2013.and they also said:The FT ranking is based on two questionnaires: one sent to the School; and one sent to alumni who graduated three years ago. We have been told that the reason the Bath MBA has not been included in the ranking is because our alumni questionnaires did not provide a large enough number of salary reports, and the small amount of data on this key variable meant that the FT did not feel able to include us in the ranking. This is clearly linked to the size of the 2007 cohort rather than quality.

<blockquote>I think the UK schools will continue to fall generally. Salaries at Bath are so low: how can they get back in? Leeds had a terrible time the year before last: I don't see how it could have recovered.

PS I think Aston, Durham and Bradford can expect to go. I have a good feeling about Birmingham though. Cranfield and Edinburgh may do better, relative to the other UK schools. I think Warwick and Imperial will dip down.</blockquote>

Thanks Duncan! So detailed analysis ,very reasonable!

One more interesting thing.I asked why Bath MBA wasn't ranked by Financial Times Global MBA rankings which published in 30th January 2012?

They told me that ,"we have now passed the three-year rule which the Financial Times stipulates and have already submitted our surveys so we very much hope to re-enter this ranking in 2013.and they also said&#65306;The FT ranking is based on two questionnaires: one sent to the School; and one sent to alumni who graduated three years ago. We have been told that the reason the Bath MBA has not been included in the ranking is because our alumni questionnaires did not provide a large enough number of salary reports, and the small amount of data on this key variable meant that the FT did not feel able to include us in the ranking. This is clearly linked to the size of the 2007 cohort rather than quality.
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mba hipste...

That seems like a rather odd comment from Bath. I think the last time they were ranked was 2009, so is this an ongoing problem? My guess is no, it's just that their salary data did not warrant them a place in the rankings, regardless of survey size.

Agreed that the lower-quality UK programs will generally fall - Bradford and Durham will probably not be able to hang on. Although the mid-tier UK programs - Warwick, Oxbridge - will hold pretty steady.

The buik of the top 10 will probably be about what it was last year with few iterations (Stanford, Harvard, LBS, Wharton, INSEAD, Sloan, Columbia.) But I'm going to gout on a limb here and say that HKUST and IIM-A will jump a few spots, making the top 10 a little more international.)

That seems like a rather odd comment from Bath. I think the last time they were ranked was 2009, so is this an ongoing problem? My guess is no, it's just that their salary data did not warrant them a place in the rankings, regardless of survey size.

Agreed that the lower-quality UK programs will generally fall - Bradford and Durham will probably not be able to hang on. Although the mid-tier UK programs - Warwick, Oxbridge - will hold pretty steady.

The buik of the top 10 will probably be about what it was last year with few iterations (Stanford, Harvard, LBS, Wharton, INSEAD, Sloan, Columbia.) But I'm going to gout on a limb here and say that HKUST and IIM-A will jump a few spots, making the top 10 a little more international.)
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ezra

My speculation for a few of the US schools:

South Carolina - Moore will be out of the list
UC Berkeley - Haas will finally break into the top 10
Penn State - Smeal and IU - Kelley will make healthy gains

Wildcards:
UC Irvine - Merage: huge drop last year, but this year's salary data looks better, so it might regain some ground
SMU Cox: Could fall off this year.

My speculation for a few of the US schools:

South Carolina - Moore will be out of the list
UC Berkeley - Haas will finally break into the top 10
Penn State - Smeal and IU - Kelley will make healthy gains

Wildcards:
UC Irvine - Merage: huge drop last year, but this year's salary data looks better, so it might regain some ground
SMU Cox: Could fall off this year.
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donho199

I think American MBA for all their dominance in the ranking are underrated especially if you look broadly at what they can offer. The total experience will be a lot more worthy than the 1 year compressed European model.

I think UK schools have done well in the last decade due to the boom of banking services.

European schools will find it a very hard time ahead while Asian-Pacific and Latin American schools will surge ahead

Let see if some more independent European schools such as those in Switzerland or Scandinavia will fare better or not once they chose to attend in the ranking

I think American MBA for all their dominance in the ranking are underrated especially if you look broadly at what they can offer. The total experience will be a lot more worthy than the 1 year compressed European model.

I think UK schools have done well in the last decade due to the boom of banking services.

European schools will find it a very hard time ahead while Asian-Pacific and Latin American schools will surge ahead

Let see if some more independent European schools such as those in Switzerland or Scandinavia will fare better or not once they chose to attend in the ranking
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kabir_mba

Personally, I think that Hult will move up in the rankings - maybe by as much as 10 spots. The recent classes have had good salary data.

Personally, I think that Hult will move up in the rankings - maybe by as much as 10 spots. The recent classes have had good salary data.
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willian123

Thank you for all valuable information.

Anything else?

Thank you for all valuable information.

Anything else?


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wickedj

Let's discuss the MBA's performance by FT 2013 MBA ranking which will be released in 28,Jan 2013.

Who will lose and who will win?



From where, you got to know it is 28? I searched and couldnt find any indication :(

<blockquote>Let's discuss the MBA's performance by FT 2013 MBA ranking which will be released in 28,Jan 2013.

Who will lose and who will win?

</blockquote>

From where, you got to know it is 28? I searched and couldnt find any indication :(
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willian123

I asked FT!

I asked FT!
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willian123

Let's discuss the MBA's performance by FT 2013 MBA ranking which will be released in 28,Jan 2013.

Who will lose and who will win?



From where, you got to know it is 28? I searched and couldnt find any indication :(



I asked FT!you can also see this in the FT MBA facebook!

<blockquote><blockquote>Let's discuss the MBA's performance by FT 2013 MBA ranking which will be released in 28,Jan 2013.

Who will lose and who will win?

</blockquote>

From where, you got to know it is 28? I searched and couldnt find any indication :(</blockquote>


I asked FT!you can also see this in the FT MBA facebook!
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Duncan

Are you taking bets on Hult?

PS Out of the 100 schools in the 2012 ranking, I see that Hult was in the bottom 4% for the number of alumni for which is has employment data. I wonder if the ones not reporting have similar outcomes for the ones the school reports?

Are you taking bets on Hult?

PS Out of the 100 schools in the 2012 ranking, I see that Hult was in the bottom 4% for the number of alumni for which is has employment data. I wonder if the ones not reporting have similar outcomes for the ones the school reports?
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willian123

It hurt So badly!oh my god!

As "FT "said yesterday,Bradford University School of Management, which has seen the sharpest decline in numbers ? down from 103 in 2010 to 20 in 2012 ? has seen a 20 per cent rise in applicants for its distance learning MBA, says Jon Reast, its acting dean.

It hurt So badly!oh my god!

As "FT "said yesterday,Bradford University School of Management, which has seen the sharpest decline in numbers ? down from 103 in 2010 to 20 in 2012 ? has seen a 20 per cent rise in applicants for its distance learning MBA, says Jon Reast, its acting dean.


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donho199

It hurt So badly!oh my god!

As "FT "said yesterday,Bradford University School of Management, which has seen the sharpest decline in numbers ? down from 103 in 2010 to 20 in 2012 ? has seen a 20 per cent rise in applicants for its distance learning MBA, says Jon Reast, its acting dean.



You mean decline in registering students?

My god, it is pathetic

<blockquote>It hurt So badly!oh my god!

As "FT "said yesterday,Bradford University School of Management, which has seen the sharpest decline in numbers ? down from 103 in 2010 to 20 in 2012 ? has seen a 20 per cent rise in applicants for its distance learning MBA, says Jon Reast, its acting dean.


</blockquote>
You mean decline in registering students?

My god, it is pathetic
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Duncan

No, it's an increase for the DL programme alongside a decrease for the full-time programme. The FT article says:

" there is a fragmentation of the business eduction market with a growing number of competing degrees ? different formats of the MBA and different degrees altogether, such as masters degrees in finance or entrepreneurship. For example, Bradford University School of Management, which has seen the sharpest decline in numbers ? down from 103 in 2010 to 20 in 2012 ? has seen a 20 per cent rise in applicants for its distance learning MBA, says Jon Reast, its acting dean."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/86b43890-5671-11e2-aaaa-00144feab49a.html#ixzz2IgvYBPqC

PS. It has to be said, this is the predictable fate for schools like Bradford who built their MBAs exclusively on international students. Schools like Cranfield, Manchester, London and Cass have had 10% or more of local students, and that does give them a different relationship with local employers and the ability to diversify their student cohort.

No, it's an increase for the DL programme alongside a decrease for the full-time programme. The FT article says:

" there is a fragmentation of the business eduction market with a growing number of competing degrees ? different formats of the MBA and different degrees altogether, such as masters degrees in finance or entrepreneurship. For example, Bradford University School of Management, which has seen the sharpest decline in numbers ? down from 103 in 2010 to 20 in 2012 ? has seen a 20 per cent rise in applicants for its distance learning MBA, says Jon Reast, its acting dean."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/86b43890-5671-11e2-aaaa-00144feab49a.html#ixzz2IgvYBPqC

PS. It has to be said, this is the predictable fate for schools like Bradford who built their MBAs exclusively on international students. Schools like Cranfield, Manchester, London and Cass have had 10% or more of local students, and that does give them a different relationship with local employers and the ability to diversify their student cohort.
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willian123

It's distance learning MBA

It's distance learning MBA
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donho199

Some of the tier 2 programs really suffer and I am not surprised to see student enrollment went down but what caught me was the extend of decline of total enrollment.

Clearly, it is pathetic to see a program as decent as Bradford falling from 100 to 20. Leeds another decent university who skewed data to leverage its ranking also sees class size more than halved. The same could be true for Sthathcylde MBA.

Some of the tier 2 programs really suffer and I am not surprised to see student enrollment went down but what caught me was the extend of decline of total enrollment.

Clearly, it is pathetic to see a program as decent as Bradford falling from 100 to 20. Leeds another decent university who skewed data to leverage its ranking also sees class size more than halved. The same could be true for Sthathcylde MBA.

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willian123

Some of the tier 2 programs really suffer and I am not surprised to see student enrollment went down but what caught me was the extend of decline of total enrollment.

Clearly, it is pathetic to see a program as decent as Bradford falling from 100 to 20. Leeds another decent university who skewed data to leverage its ranking also sees class size more than halved. The same could be true for Sthathcylde MBA.



I am a little worried about Bradford ,if it can still stand for this ranking this year,It will be extremely interesting to see next Monday.

<blockquote>Some of the tier 2 programs really suffer and I am not surprised to see student enrollment went down but what caught me was the extend of decline of total enrollment.

Clearly, it is pathetic to see a program as decent as Bradford falling from 100 to 20. Leeds another decent university who skewed data to leverage its ranking also sees class size more than halved. The same could be true for Sthathcylde MBA.

</blockquote>

I am a little worried about Bradford ,if it can still stand for this ranking this year,It will be extremely interesting to see next Monday.
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Duncan

How can Bradford stay in??

How can Bradford stay in??
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