Best MBAs for international students' placement


Duncan

There are many universities which offer MPhil and PHDs. I think the general point is true: if your focus is on an academic career you need depth and the ability to work as a scholar. A specialised masters like an MSc in SCM (like the MIT Scale programme in Malaysia) or a research degree would be a much better qualification. 

There are many universities which offer MPhil and PHDs. I think the general point is true: if your focus is on an academic career you need depth and the ability to work as a scholar. A specialised masters like an MSc in SCM (like the MIT Scale programme in Malaysia) or a research degree would be a much better qualification. 
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Earth_Xu

There are many universities which offer MPhil and PHDs. I think the general point is true: if your focus is on an academic career you need depth and the ability to work as a scholar. A specialised masters like an MSc in SCM (like the MIT Scale programme in Malaysia) or a research degree would be a much better qualification. 


To be honest I'm still confuse but I would take all in consideration, by the way what's  Msc in SCM you talkin about ? is it under Asia business school ? never heard of that before , interesting !

[quote]There are many universities which offer MPhil and PHDs. I think the general point is true: if your focus is on an academic career you need depth and the ability to work as a scholar. A specialised masters like an MSc in SCM (like the MIT Scale programme in Malaysia) or a research degree would be a much better qualification.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>To be honest I'm still confuse but I would take all in consideration, by the way what's&nbsp; Msc in SCM you talkin about ? is it under Asia business school ? never heard of that before , interesting !
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Duncan

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=MSc+in+SCM+like+the+MIT+Scale+programme+in+Malaysia

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Earth_Xu



Thanks ! I can see this program only affiliated with MIT , how good do you think this program ? 

[quote]<span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; white-space: pre;">https://lmgtfy.com/?q=MSc+in+SCM+like+the+MIT+Scale+programme+in+Malaysia</span> [/quote]<br><br>Thanks ! I can see this program only affiliated with MIT , how good do you think this program ?&nbsp;<br>
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Duncan

I'm not sure if you have a specific question. Obviously, the MIT Scale program is the world's best SCM degree. 

I'm not sure if you have a specific question. Obviously, the MIT Scale program is the world's best SCM degree.&nbsp;
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Earth_Xu

I look at linkedin to find alumni in my country seems only 6 have graduated from there 2 are teaching in local uni and the rest in career track. 

maybe my questions a little bit weird
1. In term of career upon graduation in malaysia 
2. In term of PhD in management > (this one kinda changing track right?)


Many thanks for your advise 


I look at linkedin to find alumni in my country seems only 6 have graduated from there 2 are teaching in local uni and the rest in career track.&nbsp;<br><br>maybe my questions a little bit weird<br>1. In term of career upon graduation in malaysia&nbsp;<br>2. In term of PhD in management &gt; (this one kinda changing track right?)<br><br><br>Many thanks for your advise&nbsp;<br><br><br>
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Duncan

Can you rephrase those into questions?

Can you rephrase those into questions?
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Ranita

Hi Duncan,
I am a software engineer from India with an experience of 9 years. I want to pursue MBA because of my experience. I have offers from Bath, Strathclyde, Exerter and Leeds and am waiting for an answer from Edinburgh and Durham. Exeter has offered me the highest scholarship while Bath the least. As per your previous years' posts, i could see that you favoured Strathclyde for better placement opportunities over Bath and Leeds. 
After the recent 2020 MBA list, where only Edinburgh makes it to the top 20, how would you rate the other universities i mentioned? Having a background in IT, where should i expect a favouring cohort?
I could not write the GMAT this year so i have these options only for this year. Other universities like warwick and cranfield are asking me to try for next year.


(I have updated this post with the 2020 FT ranking data)



Lots of MBA students are looking for the opportunity to find work in other countries. The FT rankings are very useful because they show the schools with the best international mobility, the highest employment rates and the most international students. In this post, which I update annually, I pick the 40 FT-ranked schools with the highest international mobility, remove the ten with the fewest international students, and then remove the ten remaining with the worst careers services ("placement", in earlier rankings).



The top 20 schools are below, sorted by their 2020 FT three-year average ranking from top to bottom. I've put an * after the name of schools that made the list in 2019 (extra stars if also in 2018, 2017, 2016 or 2015).



Ranked by 2020 three-year average ranking



Insead****

London Business School*****

Iese Business School*****

University of Cambridge: Judge*****

Esade Business School*****

IMD Business School****

Nanyang Business School, NTU Singapore***

Warwick Business School*****

The University of Hong Kong

Alliance Manchester Business School***

Imperial College Business School***

Singapore Management University: Lee Kong Chian*

City, University of London: Cass

University of St Gallen*****

Melbourne Business School*

WHU – Otto Beisheim School of Management**

University of Edinburgh Business School*

EMLyon Business School**

Essec Business School**

Edhec Business School



Nine of those are in the bottom half of the FT top 100, the same number as in 2019, showing that good outcomes remain possible even for students without stellar GMAT scores if they have good applications.



PS The same approach is used to compare masters in management degrees at https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-msc-mim-degrees-for-international-students-placement-52915

[Edited by Ranita on Jul 10, 2020]

Hi Duncan,<br>I am a software engineer from India with an experience of 9 years. I want to pursue MBA because of my experience. I have offers from Bath, Strathclyde, Exerter and Leeds and am waiting for an answer from Edinburgh and Durham. Exeter has offered me the highest scholarship while Bath the least. As per your previous years' posts, i could see that you favoured Strathclyde for better placement opportunities over Bath and Leeds.&nbsp;<br>After the recent 2020 MBA list, where only Edinburgh makes it to the top 20, how would you rate the other universities i mentioned? Having a background in IT, where should i expect a favouring cohort?<br>I could not write the GMAT this year so i have these options only for this year. Other universities like warwick and cranfield are asking me to try for next year.<br><br><br>[quote](I have updated this post with the 2020 FT ranking data)<br>
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Lots of MBA students are looking for the opportunity to find work in other countries. The FT rankings are very useful because they show the schools with the best international mobility, the highest employment rates and the most international students. In this post, which I update annually, I pick the 40 FT-ranked schools with the highest international mobility, remove the ten with the fewest international students, and then remove the ten remaining with the worst careers services ("placement", in earlier rankings). <br>
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The top 20 schools are below, sorted by their 2020 FT three-year average ranking from top to bottom. I've put an * after the name of schools that made the list in 2019 (extra stars if also in 2018, 2017, 2016 or 2015).<br>
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Ranked by 2020 three-year average ranking<br>
<br>
Insead****<br>
London Business School*****<br>
Iese Business School*****<br>
University of Cambridge: Judge*****<br>
Esade Business School*****<br>
IMD Business School****<br>
Nanyang Business School, NTU Singapore***<br>
Warwick Business School*****<br>
The University of Hong Kong<br>
Alliance Manchester Business School***<br>
Imperial College Business School***<br>
Singapore Management University: Lee Kong Chian*<br>
City, University of London: Cass<br>
University of St Gallen*****<br>
Melbourne Business School*<br>
WHU – Otto Beisheim School of Management**<br>
University of Edinburgh Business School*<br>
EMLyon Business School**<br>
Essec Business School**<br>
Edhec Business School<br>
<br>
Nine of those are in the bottom half of the FT top 100, the same number as in 2019, showing that good outcomes remain possible even for students without stellar GMAT scores if they have good applications. <br>
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PS The same approach is used to compare masters in management degrees at https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-msc-mim-degrees-for-international-students-placement-52915 [/quote]
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Duncan

Read my post again. This isn't my rating. This is a filtering of the MBA ranking data. There is a download button under the ranking on the FT site, and you can make the comparison yourself. 

I don't get your point about the GMAT. You can go online now and book a GMAT test. 

Take a look at the posts linked from my profile page about the GMAT and on scholarships. 

Read my post again. This isn't my rating. This is a filtering of the MBA ranking data. There is a download button under the ranking on the FT site, and you can make the comparison yourself.&nbsp;<br><br>I don't get your point about the GMAT. You can go online now and book a GMAT test.&nbsp;<br><br>Take a look at the posts linked from my profile page about the GMAT and on scholarships.&nbsp;
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Ranita


Thanks a lot for the reply.

What i meant was that even if i appear for GMAT now, ill not be admitted to this year's MBA. Ill have to wait another year.

I have been following your replies for sometime and i know that you prefer schools that require GMAT but i want to get admitted this year.

FT Rankings apart, for Sep 2020 intake, if i have to choose between Strathclyde, Bath, Leeds and Exter. Which one would you suggest for better placement opportunities for an international student with an IT background? Please suggest.


Read my post again. This isn't my rating. This is a filtering of the MBA ranking data. There is a download button under the ranking on the FT site, and you can make the comparison yourself. 

I don't get your point about the GMAT. You can go online now and book a GMAT test. 

Take a look at the posts linked from my profile page about the GMAT and on scholarships. 

<br>Thanks a lot for the reply.<br><br>What i meant was that even if i appear for GMAT now, ill not be admitted to this year's MBA. Ill have to wait another year. <br><br>I have been following your replies for sometime and i know that you prefer schools that require GMAT but i want to get admitted this year.<br><br>FT Rankings apart, for Sep 2020 intake, if i have to choose between Strathclyde, Bath, Leeds and Exter. Which one would you suggest for better placement opportunities for an international student with an IT background? Please suggest.<br><br><br>[quote]Read my post again. This isn't my rating. This is a filtering of the MBA ranking data. There is a download button under the ranking on the FT site, and you can make the comparison yourself.&nbsp;<br><br>I don't get your point about the GMAT. You can go online now and book a GMAT test.&nbsp;<br><br>Take a look at the posts linked from my profile page about the GMAT and on scholarships.&nbsp; [/quote]
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Duncan

Obviously this depends on your career goals. Try searching the board for posts in which two or three of these schools are mentioned. Generally Strathclyde has the higher percentage placement of these schools. 

Obviously this depends on your career goals. Try searching the board for posts in which two or three of these schools are mentioned. Generally Strathclyde has the higher percentage placement of these schools.&nbsp;
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Sh252

Obviously this depends on your career goals. Try searching the board for posts in which two or three of these schools are mentioned. Generally Strathclyde has the higher percentage placement of these schools. 


Hi Duncan!

Currently I have two offers from Imperial FT MBA and Manchester Business School FT MBA. I’ve been working in marketing for the past 5 years in my home country Malaysia and my career goal after graduating MBA is to work in the UK for 2-3 years in the consumer goods marketing industry. I’m leaning more towards Manchester because of the 3 live projects (and lower living costs) but Imperial seems to be more prestige due to the brand name and higher rankings. What are your thoughts on this? Does Imperial have better employability rates than Manchester?


[Edited by Sh252 on Jul 11, 2020]

[quote]Obviously this depends on your career goals. Try searching the board for posts in which two or three of these schools are mentioned. Generally Strathclyde has the higher percentage placement of these schools.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>Hi Duncan!<br><br>Currently I have two offers from Imperial FT MBA and Manchester Business School FT MBA. I’ve been working in marketing for the past 5 years in my home country Malaysia and my career goal after graduating MBA is to work in the UK for 2-3 years in the consumer goods marketing industry. I’m leaning more towards Manchester because of the 3 live projects (and lower living costs) but Imperial seems to be more prestige due to the brand name and higher rankings. What are your thoughts on this? Does Imperial have better employability rates than Manchester?<br><br><br>
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Duncan

Yes, because Imperial and Manchester serve students with different goals, they have different outcomes. MBA candidates might want to make changes in three dimensions: country, role and industry, or they might simply want to accelerate in their current field. More extensive MBA are better for students who want to make a lot of changes, since they are harder to place if they are making a big jump. They need projects, internships, more career support and more electives. Similarly, more intensive MBAs are chosen by more of the people who are making less of a transition and need less support. So, for example, City, Durham, Imperial and Oxford place people very quickly because they are simply easier to place. On the hand, students at Cambridge, Cranfield, Edinburgh, Manchester are typically making more ambitious moves so they need that more extensive support. 

So, if you already working consumer goods for a firm that is known in the UK, and for products with similar consumer behaviour, then maybe you don't need an extensive MBA, especially if you have a UK network and are well acculturated to the UK. On the other hand, if you think you would benefit from a more extensive MBA then that's a wiser choice. Manchester MBAs tend to make faster career progress and rate their career services more highly than Imperial. 

If you look at Imperial's class profile, it seems that the MBA does not place into consumer goods: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/imperial-college-london/global-mba-ranking-2020#profile At Manchester, it's one of the seven or eight main industries: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/manchester-business-school/global-mba-ranking-2020#profile That would make me look at other schools and see which place best into your target firms.

Yes, because Imperial and Manchester serve students with different goals, they have different outcomes. MBA candidates might want to make changes in three dimensions: country, role and industry, or they might simply want to accelerate in their current field. More extensive MBA are better for students who want to make a lot of changes, since they are harder to place if they are making a big jump. They need projects, internships, more career support and more electives. Similarly, more intensive MBAs are chosen by more of the people who are making less of a transition and need less support. So, for example, City, Durham, Imperial and Oxford place people very quickly because they are simply easier to place. On the hand, students at Cambridge, Cranfield, Edinburgh, Manchester are typically making more ambitious moves so they need that more extensive support.&nbsp;<br><br>So, if you already working consumer goods for a firm that is known in the UK, and for products with similar consumer behaviour, then maybe you don't need an extensive MBA, especially if you have a UK network and are well acculturated to the UK. On the other hand, if you think you would benefit from a more extensive MBA then that's a wiser choice. Manchester MBAs tend to make faster career progress and rate their career services more highly than Imperial.&nbsp;<br><br>If you look at Imperial's class profile, it seems that the MBA does not place into consumer goods:&nbsp;http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/imperial-college-london/global-mba-ranking-2020#profile At Manchester, it's one of the seven or eight main industries:&nbsp;http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/manchester-business-school/global-mba-ranking-2020#profile That would make me look at other schools and see which place best into your target firms.
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Sh252

Based on my conversation with the admissions committee of both schools, I do agree with you that Manchester provide a more personalised career support for the students. 


I’ve worked in two top 20 consumer goods companies in the world, and they’re both very big in the UK. However I do not have a strong UK network which was why I decided to pursue an MBA in the UK to help me connect better to the companies here while on a student/graduate visa. 

Thank you for your advice! I do hope going to Manchester will help me get a global role in marketing.




Yes, because Imperial and Manchester serve students with different goals, they have different outcomes. MBA candidates might want to make changes in three dimensions: country, role and industry, or they might simply want to accelerate in their current field. More extensive MBA are better for students who want to make a lot of changes, since they are harder to place if they are making a big jump. They need projects, internships, more career support and more electives. Similarly, more intensive MBAs are chosen by more of the people who are making less of a transition and need less support. So, for example, City, Durham, Imperial and Oxford place people very quickly because they are simply easier to place. On the hand, students at Cambridge, Cranfield, Edinburgh, Manchester are typically making more ambitious moves so they need that more extensive support. 

So, if you already working consumer goods for a firm that is known in the UK, and for products with similar consumer behaviour, then maybe you don't need an extensive MBA, especially if you have a UK network and are well acculturated to the UK. On the other hand, if you think you would benefit from a more extensive MBA then that's a wiser choice. Manchester MBAs tend to make faster career progress and rate their career services more highly than Imperial. 

If you look at Imperial's class profile, it seems that the MBA does not place into consumer goods: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/imperial-college-london/global-mba-ranking-2020#profile At Manchester, it's one of the seven or eight main industries: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/manchester-business-school/global-mba-ranking-2020#profile That would make me look at other schools and see which place best into your target firms.

Based on my conversation with the admissions committee of both schools, I do agree with you that Manchester provide a more personalised career support for the students.&nbsp;<br><br><br>I’ve worked in two top 20 consumer goods companies in the world, and they’re both very big in the UK. However I do not have a strong UK network which was why I decided to pursue an MBA in the UK to help me connect better to the companies here while on a student/graduate visa.&nbsp;<br><br>Thank you for your advice! I do hope going to Manchester will help me get a global role in marketing.<br><br><br><br><br>[quote]Yes, because Imperial and Manchester serve students with different goals, they have different outcomes. MBA candidates might want to make changes in three dimensions: country, role and industry, or they might simply want to accelerate in their current field. More extensive MBA are better for students who want to make a lot of changes, since they are harder to place if they are making a big jump. They need projects, internships, more career support and more electives. Similarly, more intensive MBAs are chosen by more of the people who are making less of a transition and need less support. So, for example, City, Durham, Imperial and Oxford place people very quickly because they are simply easier to place. On the hand, students at Cambridge, Cranfield, Edinburgh, Manchester are typically making more ambitious moves so they need that more extensive support.&nbsp;<br><br>So, if you already working consumer goods for a firm that is known in the UK, and for products with similar consumer behaviour, then maybe you don't need an extensive MBA, especially if you have a UK network and are well acculturated to the UK. On the other hand, if you think you would benefit from a more extensive MBA then that's a wiser choice. Manchester MBAs tend to make faster career progress and rate their career services more highly than Imperial.&nbsp;<br><br>If you look at Imperial's class profile, it seems that the MBA does not place into consumer goods:&nbsp;http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/imperial-college-london/global-mba-ranking-2020#profile At Manchester, it's one of the seven or eight main industries:&nbsp;http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/manchester-business-school/global-mba-ranking-2020#profile That would make me look at other schools and see which place best into your target firms. [/quote]
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What are your reviews about the full time MBA program at the Fox school of business, and how good is it for an international MBA applicant?

What are your reviews about the full time MBA program at the Fox school of business, and how good is it for an international MBA applicant?
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