mba german


arunraj
I am arun from india , I completed my B.E degree and have 3 years of experience in software industry .
could someone please explain :
1. The job opportunities for non german speakers who will do mba degree in german only ?
2. What can be the score criteria in degree for the 3 years experienced guy in IT industry to get seat in top german MBA colleges?
I am arun from india , I completed my B.E degree and have 3 years of experience in software industry .
could someone please explain :
1. The job opportunities for non german speakers who will do mba degree in german only ?
2. What can be the score criteria in degree for the 3 years experienced guy in IT industry to get seat in top german MBA colleges?
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laurie
In order to do an MBA in German, you'll need to learn the language. In general, if you can speak the language fluently, and you do your degree at a reputable institution, you'll have a good chance to land a job after graduation. Keep in mind though that the MBA is not super well-known among all German employers
In order to do an MBA in German, you'll need to learn the language. In general, if you can speak the language fluently, and you do your degree at a reputable institution, you'll have a good chance to land a job after graduation. Keep in mind though that the MBA is not super well-known among all German employers
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arunraj
thank you for the info laurie . How much time do someone need to learn the german language from scratch ?

Is canada a better option for MBA? How about the job opportunities in canada?
I am attending gmat classes now and searching for the good colleges as well as good country for MBA . So I need some information . I have 3 years of experience in IT industry .
Can someone please just brief about my query .
thank you for the info laurie . How much time do someone need to learn the german language from scratch ?

Is canada a better option for MBA? How about the job opportunities in canada?
I am attending gmat classes now and searching for the good colleges as well as good country for MBA . So I need some information . I have 3 years of experience in IT industry .
Can someone please just brief about my query .
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mcgr
I do not have any in depth knowledge, but my understanding from reading various threads on this board is that you are unfortunately in a group that is over-represented among MBA applicants (Indian in IT with not very much work experience).

The thread below from Duncan has some great advice for selecting schools after you have taken the GMAT, but note this part:

"For each of the following cases, I suggest you subtract one tier to find safe schools:
* - If you are in a very competitive group (like a male engineer or IT guy), or
* - from a country with a large number of MBA applicants (like from India or China), or
* - you have the bare minimum of work experience.
Under these circumstances, apply the same number of tiers lower than your GMAT to maximise your chances of admission and financial aid. That that means that a Male IT guy with two and a half years experience can look at tier 4 even if they have a GMAT over 690 to find a safe schools, and maybe even consider tier 5."

https://find-mba.com/board/gmat/gmat-tiers-strong-schools-for-your-gmat-23247

If your main goal is to emigrate from India Duncan or someone else might be able to suggest additional options beyond just pursuing an MBA that would make that more likely.
I do not have any in depth knowledge, but my understanding from reading various threads on this board is that you are unfortunately in a group that is over-represented among MBA applicants (Indian in IT with not very much work experience).

The thread below from Duncan has some great advice for selecting schools after you have taken the GMAT, but note this part:

"For each of the following cases, I suggest you subtract one tier to find safe schools:
* - If you are in a very competitive group (like a male engineer or IT guy), or
* - from a country with a large number of MBA applicants (like from India or China), or
* - you have the bare minimum of work experience.
Under these circumstances, apply the same number of tiers lower than your GMAT to maximise your chances of admission and financial aid. That that means that a Male IT guy with two and a half years experience can look at tier 4 even if they have a GMAT over 690 to find a safe schools, and maybe even consider tier 5."

https://find-mba.com/board/gmat/gmat-tiers-strong-schools-for-your-gmat-23247

If your main goal is to emigrate from India Duncan or someone else might be able to suggest additional options beyond just pursuing an MBA that would make that more likely.
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maury
Good advice from mcgr.

Yes, you're from an over-represented applicant group and this will stack the odds against you. You should get into the best school you can - and to do so you'll need to get the highest GMAT score you can. I agree with Laurie that expecting to work in Germany without German skills will be very difficult. Canada could be a good destination, but you'll want to aim high - McGill or Rotman or UofT - for the best post-MBA career options.
Good advice from mcgr.

Yes, you're from an over-represented applicant group and this will stack the odds against you. You should get into the best school you can - and to do so you'll need to get the highest GMAT score you can. I agree with Laurie that expecting to work in Germany without German skills will be very difficult. Canada could be a good destination, but you'll want to aim high - McGill or Rotman or UofT - for the best post-MBA career options.
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mbaalum
Go to an English speaking country. Don't waste your time, money and effort in countries like Germany. Issues, in my opinion and experience (have lived in Germany) are as follows.

- Language: Even if you start learning the language now, you won't be fluent in next few years unless you take a break from your career and focus entirely on learning the language. Almost all jobs where MBA graduates usually want to work post-MBA require fluent German. Even IT jobs require you to speak fluent German. If you are sent on-site from India on projects you may well survive with English but it becomes very difficult if you look for a job after your MBA.

- Very few MBA-only jobs: There is no market for MBA specific jobs which you will find in countries like the USA, the UK, India etc. In Germany, MBA is still a relatively newer concept. People still like the German masters degree called 'Diplom'. Nobody cares if you have an MBA.

- Narrow minded society: Germans are narrow minded - nothing new, just reminding. Even if you put efforts into learning the language you will always be seen and treated as a foreigner if you are not white. Discrimination against non-whites is rampant at workplace in Germany. I have personally seen and experienced it. There is a low glass ceiling for non-whites. You will find plenty of examples if you do a bit of internet search or ask other Indians or other foreigners living in Germany. Save yourself the agony and go to an English speaking country - people are more open minded and your hard work will be rewarded irrespective of your skin color. Again, I know not everyone will treat you the same but the attitude can be generalized.

Good luck mate.
Go to an English speaking country. Don't waste your time, money and effort in countries like Germany. Issues, in my opinion and experience (have lived in Germany) are as follows.

- Language: Even if you start learning the language now, you won't be fluent in next few years unless you take a break from your career and focus entirely on learning the language. Almost all jobs where MBA graduates usually want to work post-MBA require fluent German. Even IT jobs require you to speak fluent German. If you are sent on-site from India on projects you may well survive with English but it becomes very difficult if you look for a job after your MBA.

- Very few MBA-only jobs: There is no market for MBA specific jobs which you will find in countries like the USA, the UK, India etc. In Germany, MBA is still a relatively newer concept. People still like the German masters degree called 'Diplom'. Nobody cares if you have an MBA.

- Narrow minded society: Germans are narrow minded - nothing new, just reminding. Even if you put efforts into learning the language you will always be seen and treated as a foreigner if you are not white. Discrimination against non-whites is rampant at workplace in Germany. I have personally seen and experienced it. There is a low glass ceiling for non-whites. You will find plenty of examples if you do a bit of internet search or ask other Indians or other foreigners living in Germany. Save yourself the agony and go to an English speaking country - people are more open minded and your hard work will be rewarded irrespective of your skin color. Again, I know not everyone will treat you the same but the attitude can be generalized.

Good luck mate.
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Lololol
Go to an English speaking country. Don't waste your time, money and effort in countries like Germany. Issues, in my opinion and experience (have lived in Germany) are as follows.

- Language: Even if you start learning the language now, you won't be fluent in next few years unless you take a break from your career and focus entirely on learning the language. Almost all jobs where MBA graduates usually want to work post-MBA require fluent German. Even IT jobs require you to speak fluent German. If you are sent on-site from India on projects you may well survive with English but it becomes very difficult if you look for a job after your MBA.

- Very few MBA-only jobs: There is no market for MBA specific jobs which you will find in countries like the USA, the UK, India etc. In Germany, MBA is still a relatively newer concept. People still like the German masters degree called 'Diplom'. Nobody cares if you have an MBA.

- Narrow minded society: Germans are narrow minded - nothing new, just reminding. Even if you put efforts into learning the language you will always be seen and treated as a foreigner if you are not white. Discrimination against non-whites is rampant at workplace in Germany. I have personally seen and experienced it. There is a low glass ceiling for non-whites. You will find plenty of examples if you do a bit of internet search or ask other Indians or other foreigners living in Germany. Save yourself the agony and go to an English speaking country - people are more open minded and your hard work will be rewarded irrespective of your skin color. Again, I know not everyone will treat you the same but the attitude can be generalized.

Good luck mate.
Lololol
[quote]Go to an English speaking country. Don't waste your time, money and effort in countries like Germany. Issues, in my opinion and experience (have lived in Germany) are as follows.

- Language: Even if you start learning the language now, you won't be fluent in next few years unless you take a break from your career and focus entirely on learning the language. Almost all jobs where MBA graduates usually want to work post-MBA require fluent German. Even IT jobs require you to speak fluent German. If you are sent on-site from India on projects you may well survive with English but it becomes very difficult if you look for a job after your MBA.

- Very few MBA-only jobs: There is no market for MBA specific jobs which you will find in countries like the USA, the UK, India etc. In Germany, MBA is still a relatively newer concept. People still like the German masters degree called 'Diplom'. Nobody cares if you have an MBA.

- Narrow minded society: Germans are narrow minded - nothing new, just reminding. Even if you put efforts into learning the language you will always be seen and treated as a foreigner if you are not white. Discrimination against non-whites is rampant at workplace in Germany. I have personally seen and experienced it. There is a low glass ceiling for non-whites. You will find plenty of examples if you do a bit of internet search or ask other Indians or other foreigners living in Germany. Save yourself the agony and go to an English speaking country - people are more open minded and your hard work will be rewarded irrespective of your skin color. Again, I know not everyone will treat you the same but the attitude can be generalized.

Good luck mate.[/quote]
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Razors Edg...
Not sure why you lol'ed because most of this is sensible advice. Language is critical, especially in a country like Germany. I do think it is possible for non-Germans to land post-MBA jobs in the country, although it can be harder in some industries than others.
Not sure why you lol'ed because most of this is sensible advice. Language is critical, especially in a country like Germany. I do think it is possible for non-Germans to land post-MBA jobs in the country, although it can be harder in some industries than others.
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Duncan
I think he was LOLing at the OP for not understanding that already.
I think he was LOLing at the OP for not understanding that already.
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Dan85
Everything's pretty much said:

1. Learning German is very hard and will take you too much time. Don't do it.
2. MBA is not widely knownin GER, but if you target MNCs, your are fine. Jobs that don't require German are rare, but it's getting better. If you have an MBA from Germany though, they look down on you. Do something with a big brand - that works much better.

On a side note: Germany as a country is just fine. Maybe mbaalum wants to enlighten us as to what the best place in the world is, a magical place where everyone is always extremely successful ;)
Everything's pretty much said:

1. Learning German is very hard and will take you too much time. Don't do it.
2. MBA is not widely knownin GER, but if you target MNCs, your are fine. Jobs that don't require German are rare, but it's getting better. If you have an MBA from Germany though, they look down on you. Do something with a big brand - that works much better.

On a side note: Germany as a country is just fine. Maybe mbaalum wants to enlighten us as to what the best place in the world is, a magical place where everyone is always extremely successful ;)
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Duncan
If you have an MBA from a big-brand school outside Germany, and don't speak German, then I think MNCs will want to hire you elsewhere. mbaalum is probably thinking of Canada, Australia and the UK as places where Indian students that don't speak German will have better career outcomes.
If you have an MBA from a big-brand school outside Germany, and don't speak German, then I think MNCs will want to hire you elsewhere. mbaalum is probably thinking of Canada, Australia and the UK as places where Indian students that don't speak German will have better career outcomes.
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