Should i work for one more year before trying for a good MBA in UK ?


sinbwt
Im a 22 year old Indian engaged in family business in Dubai. Ive been working in the firm since May 2011. (immediately after my BBA from Heriot Watt Dubai Campus).

I now have a 1 year work experience and i want to do my masters degree this year (2012-2013). I have been running through FIND-MBA posts about the work experience/MBA issues. I have been looking at some good universities for my MSc in Operations/Logistics/Supply Chain like Lancaster/Surrey/Nottingham. But the thing is i've always wanted an MBA degree. Would it give me a better chance in any of the AMBA (top 15) unis in UK if i had 2 years of work experience (non-managerial) and decent GMAT score ?

Its just that i feel its best to obtain good education at an early age and then focus on my family business than work for 3-6 years and then try. (i know it sounds dumb sorry). Its just that i feel i would lose interest in studies when i get too involved in my business

i have 2 plans -

Plan 1.Do my MSc (operations/logistics/SCM) this year, then after i graduate work for 2 years and then do my MBA (Int'l Business Mgmnt/ Strategic Mgmnt) and fully focus on family business.

plan 2- work for 1 more year, do my MBA (operations/logistics/SCM) directly and then focus on family business and slowly develop within myself =/.

Fees/Cost wont really be a problem for me im just looking at some quality education that can help me with life. An experts advice would help me a lot.
Im a 22 year old Indian engaged in family business in Dubai. Ive been working in the firm since May 2011. (immediately after my BBA from Heriot Watt Dubai Campus).

I now have a 1 year work experience and i want to do my masters degree this year (2012-2013). I have been running through FIND-MBA posts about the work experience/MBA issues. I have been looking at some good universities for my MSc in Operations/Logistics/Supply Chain like Lancaster/Surrey/Nottingham. But the thing is i've always wanted an MBA degree. Would it give me a better chance in any of the AMBA (top 15) unis in UK if i had 2 years of work experience (non-managerial) and decent GMAT score ?

Its just that i feel its best to obtain good education at an early age and then focus on my family business than work for 3-6 years and then try. (i know it sounds dumb sorry). Its just that i feel i would lose interest in studies when i get too involved in my business

i have 2 plans -

Plan 1.Do my MSc (operations/logistics/SCM) this year, then after i graduate work for 2 years and then do my MBA (Int'l Business Mgmnt/ Strategic Mgmnt) and fully focus on family business.

plan 2- work for 1 more year, do my MBA (operations/logistics/SCM) directly and then focus on family business and slowly develop within myself =/.

Fees/Cost wont really be a problem for me im just looking at some quality education that can help me with life. An experts advice would help me a lot.
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sinbwt
And one more thing,

since the UK has lifted a direct post-graduation employment visa, what are the chances/procedure for me to get a decent job (after graduation) in the UK IF i plan to do an MSc from a good university?
And one more thing,

since the UK has lifted a direct post-graduation employment visa, what are the chances/procedure for me to get a decent job (after graduation) in the UK IF i plan to do an MSc from a good university?
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Duncan
No, I don't think you can expect to work in the UK with an MSc: that is not a probable outcome.

Why are you looking only at the UK?
No, I don't think you can expect to work in the UK with an MSc: that is not a probable outcome.

Why are you looking only at the UK?
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sinbwt
No, I don't think you can expect to work in the UK with an MSc: that is not a probable outcome.

Why are you looking only at the UK?


Why is it that i cant work in UK with an MSc ? is it coz of the visa or being underqualified ?

I dont really want to try in USA. I prefer UK. Can you help me decide ? :(
<blockquote>No, I don't think you can expect to work in the UK with an MSc: that is not a probable outcome.

Why are you looking only at the UK?</blockquote>

Why is it that i cant work in UK with an MSc ? is it coz of the visa or being underqualified ?

I dont really want to try in USA. I prefer UK. Can you help me decide ? :(
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Duncan
Well, there's a recession on in the UK and southern Europe, your work experience is in your family firm (which makes you less attractive) and you will struggle to find a visa.

There are other countries than the US and UK.

I think your options are:
- Take an MSc or PGDM and then get a job in Asia or the Gulf
- Work for a few more years and get a serious MBA in some other developed economy.
Well, there's a recession on in the UK and southern Europe, your work experience is in your family firm (which makes you less attractive) and you will struggle to find a visa.

There are other countries than the US and UK.

I think your options are:
- Take an MSc or PGDM and then get a job in Asia or the Gulf
- Work for a few more years and get a serious MBA in some other developed economy.
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sinbwt
Well, there's a recession on in the UK and southern Europe, your work experience is in your family firm (which makes you less attractive) and you will struggle to find a visa.

There are other countries than the US and UK.

I think your options are:
- Take an MSc or PGDM and then get a job in Asia or the Gulf
- Work for a few more years and get a serious MBA in some other developed economy.


Thanks for your help Duncan,

lets count my work experience as 0 years then. What are the chances that i can get a decent job in Middle East after a good MSc from a good uni in UK. I mean will i get any training as a part of the course ?
<blockquote>Well, there's a recession on in the UK and southern Europe, your work experience is in your family firm (which makes you less attractive) and you will struggle to find a visa.

There are other countries than the US and UK.

I think your options are:
- Take an MSc or PGDM and then get a job in Asia or the Gulf
- Work for a few more years and get a serious MBA in some other developed economy.</blockquote>

Thanks for your help Duncan,

lets count my work experience as 0 years then. What are the chances that i can get a decent job in Middle East after a good MSc from a good uni in UK. I mean will i get any training as a part of the course ?
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Duncan
I think you will be better off attending a school in the middle east which will have relationships with employers there, like SP Jain in Dubai.
I think you will be better off attending a school in the middle east which will have relationships with employers there, like SP Jain in Dubai.
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sinbwt
I think you will be better off attending a school in the middle east which will have relationships with employers there, like SP Jain in Dubai.


Thanks for your help Duncan. If i work in an MNC firm for 1 or 2 years in dubai, will i have a better chance of getting an AMBA accredited MBA (like aston or surrey) ? I've heard that if you have 2 year experience, applicants will still be considered.
<blockquote>I think you will be better off attending a school in the middle east which will have relationships with employers there, like SP Jain in Dubai. </blockquote>

Thanks for your help Duncan. If i work in an MNC firm for 1 or 2 years in dubai, will i have a better chance of getting an AMBA accredited MBA (like aston or surrey) ? I've heard that if you have 2 year experience, applicants will still be considered.
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Duncan
The best schools will need *at least* three years' work experience when you arrive.
The best schools will need *at least* three years' work experience when you arrive.
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Mamit
Hi Sinbwt,
To get into an FT ranked MBA you would need a min of 3 years of work experience, however If you are looking for MSc at present followed by an MBA in next few years time, then i would suggest that you can opt for Strathclyde MBM, as this will give you an opportunity to convert your MSc degree into an MBA after 3 years of work exp and you dont have to do the MBA studies again. Although the chances of getting a job after MSc program in UK are less, but you can still be able to explore the opportunities in Middle East countries.
mamit
Hi Sinbwt,
To get into an FT ranked MBA you would need a min of 3 years of work experience, however If you are looking for MSc at present followed by an MBA in next few years time, then i would suggest that you can opt for Strathclyde MBM, as this will give you an opportunity to convert your MSc degree into an MBA after 3 years of work exp and you dont have to do the MBA studies again. Although the chances of getting a job after MSc program in UK are less, but you can still be able to explore the opportunities in Middle East countries.
mamit
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ralph
If i work in an MNC firm for 1 or 2 years in dubai, will i have a better chance of getting an AMBA accredited MBA (like aston or surrey) ? I've heard that if you have 2 year experience, applicants will still be considered.

Students who enroll in the Aston and Surrey programs have on average seven and five years of work experience, respectively. While they may consider you, it's highly unlikely that you'll be competitive. In fact, the averages of most accredited programs in the UK are usually higher: at Cambridge Judge and Cranfield it's seven years; at Oxford it's six, etc.
<blockquote>If i work in an MNC firm for 1 or 2 years in dubai, will i have a better chance of getting an AMBA accredited MBA (like aston or surrey) ? I've heard that if you have 2 year experience, applicants will still be considered. </blockquote>
Students who enroll in the Aston and Surrey programs have on average seven and five years of work experience, respectively. While they may consider you, it's highly unlikely that you'll be competitive. In fact, the averages of most accredited programs in the UK are usually higher: at Cambridge Judge and Cranfield it's seven years; at Oxford it's six, etc.

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sinbwt
Hi Sinbwt,
To get into an FT ranked MBA you would need a min of 3 years of work experience, however If you are looking for MSc at present followed by an MBA in next few years time, then i would suggest that you can opt for Strathclyde MBM, as this will give you an opportunity to convert your MSc degree into an MBA after 3 years of work exp and you dont have to do the MBA studies again. Although the chances of getting a job after MSc program in UK are less, but you can still be able to explore the opportunities in Middle East countries.
mamit


Thanks Mamit,

The MBM site is quite confusing when i looked into the website. Does the MBA come with specialization after conversion (like MBA in Marketing etc)? Do i have to do more classes after 3 years of work experience? Will they accept applicants with only 1 year experience ? I couldnt really find an 'Entry Requirements' link on the website.
<blockquote>Hi Sinbwt,
To get into an FT ranked MBA you would need a min of 3 years of work experience, however If you are looking for MSc at present followed by an MBA in next few years time, then i would suggest that you can opt for Strathclyde MBM, as this will give you an opportunity to convert your MSc degree into an MBA after 3 years of work exp and you dont have to do the MBA studies again. Although the chances of getting a job after MSc program in UK are less, but you can still be able to explore the opportunities in Middle East countries.
mamit</blockquote>

Thanks Mamit,

The MBM site is quite confusing when i looked into the website. Does the MBA come with specialization after conversion (like MBA in Marketing etc)? Do i have to do more classes after 3 years of work experience? Will they accept applicants with only 1 year experience ? I couldnt really find an 'Entry Requirements' link on the website.
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Mamit
Hi ,
If you have 2+ years of work experience they may not take you into MBM program, but if you have 1-2 years of experience, then i would suggest that you would need another 2 years of post MBM work ex in order to convert your degree to MBA.
Regards
Mamit
Hi ,
If you have 2+ years of work experience they may not take you into MBM program, but if you have 1-2 years of experience, then i would suggest that you would need another 2 years of post MBM work ex in order to convert your degree to MBA.
Regards
Mamit
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sinbwt
Hi ,
If you have 2+ years of work experience they may not take you into MBM program, but if you have 1-2 years of experience, then i would suggest that you would need another 2 years of post MBM work ex in order to convert your degree to MBA.
Regards
Mamit


Thanks Mamit

I just wanted to ask if there is an option to specialize in any field like MBA Marketing or MBA Strategic Mgmt. Is it just going to be MBA ?
<blockquote>Hi ,
If you have 2+ years of work experience they may not take you into MBM program, but if you have 1-2 years of experience, then i would suggest that you would need another 2 years of post MBM work ex in order to convert your degree to MBA.
Regards
Mamit</blockquote>

Thanks Mamit

I just wanted to ask if there is an option to specialize in any field like MBA Marketing or MBA Strategic Mgmt. Is it just going to be MBA ?
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Mamit
Most of the B-Schools offer set of elective modules with General MBA, so i would suggest that you can choose your own specialization by selecting appropriate modules.
Most of the B-Schools offer set of elective modules with General MBA, so i would suggest that you can choose your own specialization by selecting appropriate modules.
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sinbwt
Most of the B-Schools offer set of elective modules with General MBA, so i would suggest that you can choose your own specialization by selecting appropriate modules.


Thanks Mamit

"The MSc Business and Management is primarily designed for those with non-business related degrees and is not suitable for those with general business degrees such as BA/BSc Business Studies or Bachelors in Commerce" .... this is what i found here: [http://www.strath.ac.uk/management/mbm/admissioninformation/admissionsprocedure/] ... so if i did BBA, is it gonna be a repeat of what i learned before ?
<blockquote>Most of the B-Schools offer set of elective modules with General MBA, so i would suggest that you can choose your own specialization by selecting appropriate modules.
</blockquote>

Thanks Mamit

"The MSc Business and Management is primarily designed for those with non-business related degrees and is not suitable for those with general business degrees such as BA/BSc Business Studies or Bachelors in Commerce" .... this is what i found here: [http://www.strath.ac.uk/management/mbm/admissioninformation/admissionsprocedure/] ... so if i did BBA, is it gonna be a repeat of what i learned before ?
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Duncan
None of the top MSc programmes in the UK require a degree in business (Add in 'Degree' to the listing at: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2011 ). That's why the highest MSc salaries in Europe go to mainland schools which do require a BBA, like WHU, HSG and HHL.

I suggest you look at that FT ranking and consider the schools with starting salaries over $50,000, that require a BBA, where students normally take an internship and where the international mobility rank is in the top third: ESADE, HSG, Solvay, WU and Rotterdam.
None of the top MSc programmes in the UK require a degree in business (Add in 'Degree' to the listing at: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2011 ). That's why the highest MSc salaries in Europe go to mainland schools which do require a BBA, like WHU, HSG and HHL.

I suggest you look at that FT ranking and consider the schools with starting salaries over $50,000, that require a BBA, where students normally take an internship and where the international mobility rank is in the top third: ESADE, HSG, Solvay, WU and Rotterdam.
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Mamit
Most of the B-Schools offer set of elective modules with General MBA, so i would suggest that you can choose your own specialization by selecting appropriate modules.


Thanks Mamit

"The MSc Business and Management is primarily designed for those with non-business related degrees and is not suitable for those with general business degrees such as BA/BSc Business Studies or Bachelors in Commerce" .... this is what i found here: [http://www.strath.ac.uk/management/mbm/admissioninformation/admissionsprocedure/] ... so if i did BBA, is it gonna be a repeat of what i learned before ?


Hi , most of the master programs in business (including MBA) are designed to cater students for all sector and fields not necessarily business unlike science and engineering programs, therefore some of the modules at master level will surely match with the modules at UG level but this does not mean that you wont have any thing new to learn in your Masters.

As Duncan said its better to look for specific programs asking for first degree in business (which would be very rare in the UK).
<blockquote><blockquote>Most of the B-Schools offer set of elective modules with General MBA, so i would suggest that you can choose your own specialization by selecting appropriate modules.
</blockquote>

Thanks Mamit

"The MSc Business and Management is primarily designed for those with non-business related degrees and is not suitable for those with general business degrees such as BA/BSc Business Studies or Bachelors in Commerce" .... this is what i found here: [http://www.strath.ac.uk/management/mbm/admissioninformation/admissionsprocedure/] ... so if i did BBA, is it gonna be a repeat of what i learned before ?</blockquote>

Hi , most of the master programs in business (including MBA) are designed to cater students for all sector and fields not necessarily business unlike science and engineering programs, therefore some of the modules at master level will surely match with the modules at UG level but this does not mean that you wont have any thing new to learn in your Masters.

As Duncan said its better to look for specific programs asking for first degree in business (which would be very rare in the UK).
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