I am at the final stage of selecting the right Master's program to propel my career transition into product management roles within tech giants like MAANG or management consultancy positions in MBB or Big 4 firms. I intend to settle/ immigrate from India to a Western/ developed country post-MBA and finding a job will be my highest priority as I am taking a loan to finance my total fees and cost of living abroad.
I have offers from
1. TIAS School of Business MBA (Tuition Fee coming down to 29000 euros after scholarship),
2. Warwick Business School MBA (Tuition 61000 euros, scholarship awaited)
3. Copenhagen Business School MBA (50000 euros)
and
4. Duke University for a Master of Science in Engineering Management Program, 70000 USD Tuition fees
I'm seeking advice to make an informed decision. I have heard mixed feedback on job prospects due to the current market challenges. Contrastingly, a few years back the alumni from these programs got into the positions I aim to work at.
Profile: Previously worked for 6 months as a Tech Project Manager at a VC.
Currently, I'm a Scrum Master at a renowned British FinTech MNC and will have 3.4 years of total full-time experience (only in leadership roles ) by the time I enroll in any course in Sept 2024. Only proficient in English, open to other languages if necessary. Thanks in advance.
Warwick MBA vs Duke MEM vs TIAS MBA vs CBS MBA
Posted Feb 15, 2024 14:20
I have offers from
1. TIAS School of Business MBA (Tuition Fee coming down to 29000 euros after scholarship),
2. Warwick Business School MBA (Tuition 61000 euros, scholarship awaited)
3. Copenhagen Business School MBA (50000 euros)
and
4. Duke University for a Master of Science in Engineering Management Program, 70000 USD Tuition fees
I'm seeking advice to make an informed decision. I have heard mixed feedback on job prospects due to the current market challenges. Contrastingly, a few years back the alumni from these programs got into the positions I aim to work at.
Profile: Previously worked for 6 months as a Tech Project Manager at a VC.
Currently, I'm a Scrum Master at a renowned British FinTech MNC and will have 3.4 years of total full-time experience (only in leadership roles ) by the time I enroll in any course in Sept 2024. Only proficient in English, open to other languages if necessary. Thanks in advance.
Posted Feb 15, 2024 15:16
Assuming you don't speak Dutch or Danish to a professional degree now, you will not get into MBB from those programs. Do these programs place people into product management roles with tech giants?
Posted Feb 15, 2024 19:24
Assuming you don't speak Dutch or Danish to a professional degree now, you will not get into MBB from those programs. Do these programs place people into product management roles with tech giants?
Hi Duncan, the language barrier is a valid concern for consulting roles. Based on my conversation with alums from CBS and TIAS, most of the PM jobs in the tech industry do not require local language proficiency. Although these 2 schools are not that greatly ranked in comparison to the other 2 and have a smaller alumni network.
To answer your question, the Duke MEM is the most likely to place one into MAANG PM roles, however, I am unable to justify the ROI recovery in just 3 years of working in the states (Assuming the H1B visa lottery situation).
What do you think would be the best safe option for me?
Hi Duncan, the language barrier is a valid concern for consulting roles. Based on my conversation with alums from CBS and TIAS, most of the PM jobs in the tech industry do not require local language proficiency. Although these 2 schools are not that greatly ranked in comparison to the other 2 and have a smaller alumni network.
To answer your question, the Duke MEM is the most likely to place one into MAANG PM roles, however, I am unable to justify the ROI recovery in just 3 years of working in the states (Assuming the H1B visa lottery situation).
What do you think would be the best safe option for me?
Posted Feb 15, 2024 20:22
If you look at the US, the schools that have sent the most MBA graduates to big tech firms in recent years are:
Northwestern (Kellogg)
Michigan (Ross)
Chicago (Booth)
Harvard
Wharton
Duke
Columbia
MIT Sloan
Stern
Stanford
Berkeley Haas
Virginia Darden
In other words, generally the most prestigious, highest ranked schools.
Europe probably doesn't differ that much so their equivalents are probably ones you should start looking at. Have a search on LinkedIn to see where Product Managers in big tech did their MBAs.
Northwestern (Kellogg)
Michigan (Ross)
Chicago (Booth)
Harvard
Wharton
Duke
Columbia
MIT Sloan
<div>Stern
</div><div>Stanford
</div><div>Berkeley Haas
</div><div>Virginia Darden
In other words, generally the most prestigious, highest ranked schools.
Europe probably doesn't differ that much so their equivalents are probably ones you should start looking at. Have a search on LinkedIn to see where Product Managers in big tech did their MBAs.
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Posted Feb 16, 2024 01:06
I am unable to justify the ROI recovery in just 3 years of working in the states (Assuming the H1B visa lottery situation).
Are you planning to retire after three years?
Are you planning to retire after three years?
Posted Feb 16, 2024 08:13
I am unable to justify the ROI recovery in just 3 years of working in the states (Assuming the H1B visa lottery situation).
Are you planning to retire after three years?
Lol no, but I am considering the risk that I only have a 25 percent probability of getting my picked in the H1b visa lottery and may have to come back to India where the salaries are much lower than in the States which increases the time to build wealth after repaying the loan. I cannot settle their long-term and my goal is to leave the country for a better quality of life.
Are you planning to retire after three years? [/quote]
Lol no, but I am considering the risk that I only have a 25 percent probability of getting my picked in the H1b visa lottery and may have to come back to India where the salaries are much lower than in the States which increases the time to build wealth after repaying the loan. I cannot settle their long-term and my goal is to leave the country for a better quality of life.
Posted Feb 16, 2024 15:21
You should flip this around and start with the end in mind. What sort of product management roles can you move into most credibly? Surely this would be at Indian banks or global tech firms active in finance and with major India operations: Microsoft, Accenture, EY, Cognizant. From what I can see, only 5% of those people have MBAs in India or in the US. I think there's a good chance that an MBA would be too generic and not really help you hit the ground running as a product manager.
Posted Feb 16, 2024 17:40
Also consider that a 'Product Manager' role can vary very widely in scope. Sometimes they are just glorified backlog managers.
Have a look at Coursera and EdX, there are some good product management courses on there which will give you an indication of the kinds of knowledge gaps you need to close.
You can then compare against prospective MBAs. I'm not a Product Manager but I did an EdX product management course with someone works full time in that role and she thought it was very good. In other words, you might want to look at a combination of an MBA and a stand alone product management course.
Have a look at Coursera and EdX, there are some good product management courses on there which will give you an indication of the kinds of knowledge gaps you need to close.
You can then compare against prospective MBAs. I'm not a Product Manager but I did an EdX product management course with someone works full time in that role and she thought it was very good. In other words, you might want to look at a combination of an MBA and a stand alone product management course.
Posted Feb 17, 2024 14:51
Also consider that a 'Product Manager' role can vary very widely in scope. Sometimes they are just glorified backlog managers.
Have a look at Coursera and EdX, there are some good product management courses on there which will give you an indication of the kinds of knowledge gaps you need to close.
You can then compare against prospective MBAs. I'm not a Product Manager but I did an EdX product management course with someone works full time in that role and she thought it was very good. In other words, you might want to look at a combination of an MBA and a stand alone product management course.
Yes I have already enrolled in a few relevant courses for the same. Thanks for the suggestion.
Have a look at Coursera and EdX, there are some good product management courses on there which will give you an indication of the kinds of knowledge gaps you need to close.
You can then compare against prospective MBAs. I'm not a Product Manager but I did an EdX product management course with someone works full time in that role and she thought it was very good. In other words, you might want to look at a combination of an MBA and a stand alone product management course. [/quote]
Yes I have already enrolled in a few relevant courses for the same. Thanks for the suggestion.
Posted Feb 17, 2024 14:52
You should flip this around and start with the end in mind. What sort of product management roles can you move into most credibly? Surely this would be at Indian banks or global tech firms active in finance and with major India operations: Microsoft, Accenture, EY, Cognizant. From what I can see, only 5% of those people have MBAs in India or in the US. I think there's a good chance that an MBA would be too generic and not really help you hit the ground running as a product manager.
Yes, that is a sensible take to start with the end in mind, but what if settling abroad is also one of my top priorities? Which one would you say is the best choice in that case for me?
Yes, that is a sensible take to start with the end in mind, but what if settling abroad is also one of my top priorities? Which one would you say is the best choice in that case for me?
Posted Feb 18, 2024 17:47
I don't think the options you have identified include anything close to a best choice. Take a look at my profile page. There are some posts linked from there that might help you.
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