UIBS Antwerp, does anyone have experience ??


T_N_D
Hello Guys,

UIBS = United International Business School , they are established in Spain, Belgium, Swiss, Japan.
I'm looking for an MBA since November last year until i found this Business School. I'm interested because of few points, the cost are suitable for me, their schedules, the specialization and they don't require GMAT.
But, i couldn't find any testimony on the internet about them or their alumni stories.

Does anyone know anything about UIBS Antwerp ?
Could you share please

Thank's
Hello Guys,

UIBS = United International Business School , they are established in Spain, Belgium, Swiss, Japan.
I'm looking for an MBA since November last year until i found this Business School. I'm interested because of few points, the cost are suitable for me, their schedules, the specialization and they don't require GMAT.
But, i couldn't find any testimony on the internet about them or their alumni stories.

Does anyone know anything about UIBS Antwerp ?
Could you share please

Thank's
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Duncan
Oh it's terrible. It's the same guy who runs a few other b schools which are do not issue state recognised degrees.
Oh it's terrible. It's the same guy who runs a few other b schools which are do not issue state recognised degrees.
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T_N_D
Thanks Duncan,

Could you tell me further about them ?
Yeah I couldn't find even a picture on their pages.
But, I have made a contact few times and still curious with them.
Thanks Duncan,

Could you tell me further about them ?
Yeah I couldn't find even a picture on their pages.
But, I have made a contact few times and still curious with them.
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Duncan
I think it's the same team who do the Brussels Business school and the International Management Institute: at some time they have been the European University. None of them have th legal right to issue degrees in the countries where they operate as far as I can see.
I think it's the same team who do the Brussels Business school and the International Management Institute: at some time they have been the European University. None of them have th legal right to issue degrees in the countries where they operate as far as I can see.
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T_N_D
After searching a long this forum, i suppose this not really recommended don't you ?

Duncan, do you think they have changed by the time ?
This is a bit disappointing me, because i think this school is the opportunity for me. Because the price is suitable for me which cost is less then Euro 10,000 not include for the cost of living with 9 month program. Besides, i have a friend live there who can give me an assistant if needed.
If i compare it with Antwerp Management Schools, which is have a similar fee but renown. Unfortunately, they had only Executive one and they cost for euro 25,000.

On the otherhand, they has a Master of Global Management, i see the courses is quite similar with MBA courses. Could you give me your opinion about this comparison duncan ?


Thanks a lot
After searching a long this forum, i suppose this not really recommended don't you ?

Duncan, do you think they have changed by the time ?
This is a bit disappointing me, because i think this school is the opportunity for me. Because the price is suitable for me which cost is less then Euro 10,000 not include for the cost of living with 9 month program. Besides, i have a friend live there who can give me an assistant if needed.
If i compare it with Antwerp Management Schools, which is have a similar fee but renown. Unfortunately, they had only Executive one and they cost for euro 25,000.

On the otherhand, they has a Master of Global Management, i see the courses is quite similar with MBA courses. Could you give me your opinion about this comparison duncan ?



Thanks a lot
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Duncan
Obviously theres no need for them to change their business model: it relies on recruiting people who cannot get into accredited MBAs, and then giving them worthless degrees. It must be very profitable!

Given the choice between a degree from the University of Antwerp, a real and respected university, and a 'degree' which is from a non-university business that doesn't have the right t issue degrees, then the choice is obvious.

However, those are not the only choices. There are cheap MBAs from real universities. There are over 100 MBAs from real European universities which cost !0,000 euro or less: http://www.mastersportal.eu/students/search-results/?params=dY9LCsMwDAXvohPE6V9ZtfueIbhYBJHGBltJCSF3r1wvUgrVQujxhgFZvOCSdEGkjoNv2UHDaJqER4QQuWMPJfjgiWwOZ4Se5leILuW4Q7jfrvkyh61pJfTkFbBocGGsCjk8VLEquv9Ck9DwlzwhOOoi0UbUPy6DkGR0s4pslIxVuOSiRrBPoeit8FQEpVGpjCz68efdSqdZ3w%253D%253Dze22710ed&start=0&length=10

But, if you want to become a property developer, why not study property development or real estate?

PS Here's a great programme, free, in Finland: http://www.mastersportal.eu/students/browse/programme/420/real-estate-investment-and-finance.html
Obviously theres no need for them to change their business model: it relies on recruiting people who cannot get into accredited MBAs, and then giving them worthless degrees. It must be very profitable!

Given the choice between a degree from the University of Antwerp, a real and respected university, and a 'degree' which is from a non-university business that doesn't have the right t issue degrees, then the choice is obvious.

However, those are not the only choices. There are cheap MBAs from real universities. There are over 100 MBAs from real European universities which cost !0,000 euro or less: http://www.mastersportal.eu/students/search-results/?params=dY9LCsMwDAXvohPE6V9ZtfueIbhYBJHGBltJCSF3r1wvUgrVQujxhgFZvOCSdEGkjoNv2UHDaJqER4QQuWMPJfjgiWwOZ4Se5leILuW4Q7jfrvkyh61pJfTkFbBocGGsCjk8VLEquv9Ck9DwlzwhOOoi0UbUPy6DkGR0s4pslIxVuOSiRrBPoeit8FQEpVGpjCz68efdSqdZ3w%253D%253Dze22710ed&start=0&length=10

But, if you want to become a property developer, why not study property development or real estate?

PS Here's a great programme, free, in Finland: http://www.mastersportal.eu/students/browse/programme/420/real-estate-investment-and-finance.html
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T_N_D
Yeah i think so.

I believe MBA could offer me larger opportunity because of there are not so specific and it can be implied in a several industries, then i plan to take my property certification in my town. I believe there's a different cultural of property in my town with any others and would be an advantage to learn it from local experts,
Anyway, thanks for you suggest Duncan, i really appriciate.
Now i have to research again.
Yeah i think so.

I believe MBA could offer me larger opportunity because of there are not so specific and it can be implied in a several industries, then i plan to take my property certification in my town. I believe there's a different cultural of property in my town with any others and would be an advantage to learn it from local experts,
Anyway, thanks for you suggest Duncan, i really appriciate.
Now i have to research again.
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Duncan
Well, I think you need to decide on your goal. If you want to work in property, why take a general management programme? Perhaps take the CPA now and later, when you want to transition into management, then take the MBA?
Well, I think you need to decide on your goal. If you want to work in property, why take a general management programme? Perhaps take the CPA now and later, when you want to transition into management, then take the MBA?
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T_N_D
Duncan,

Thanks for the advice, I've decided the MBA because i want to do the management but in the property sector. Besides, there are a bunch examples for a business leaders in property sector hold an MBA in here. But indeed, i'll think about your advice.
ANyway, Duncan, I'm still trying to research on the masterportal for the mba meets my need. But, i still couldn't find any.
Do you mind to share me another reliable link or portal similar to masterportal to help me find my criteria.

my criteria is flexible intake and 1 year for the duration, UIBS offer a flexible one and also 9 month, there's always intake in every session, the next is on April) . Most of Master school has their intake twice a year on January or September. So, i still wish that i could find it.

ANd, i don't prefer UK because they use GBP , means that the living cost must be out of my budget.
Duncan,

Thanks for the advice, I've decided the MBA because i want to do the management but in the property sector. Besides, there are a bunch examples for a business leaders in property sector hold an MBA in here. But indeed, i'll think about your advice.
ANyway, Duncan, I'm still trying to research on the masterportal for the mba meets my need. But, i still couldn't find any.
Do you mind to share me another reliable link or portal similar to masterportal to help me find my criteria.

my criteria is flexible intake and 1 year for the duration, UIBS offer a flexible one and also 9 month, there's always intake in every session, the next is on April) . Most of Master school has their intake twice a year on January or September. So, i still wish that i could find it.

ANd, i don't prefer UK because they use GBP , means that the living cost must be out of my budget.



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Duncan
You will not find a reputable school that admits students into its full time MBA every two months. That's because you need to teach some things earlier, like finance and accounting.

Focus on September.

Why not study in Asia? Your budget is limited and it is cheaper.

Central European University is inexpensive. Also look at Taiwan.
You will not find a reputable school that admits students into its full time MBA every two months. That's because you need to teach some things earlier, like finance and accounting.

Focus on September.

Why not study in Asia? Your budget is limited and it is cheaper.

Central European University is inexpensive. Also look at Taiwan.
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T_N_D
I think i got your point Duncan, I really apprciated it. Are you a Dean or something ?

By the way, im looking for a kind preparation MBA program for the finance and accounting too. What the suitable method do you know consider helpful to my finance and account too.
Or maybe such a short course to teach a finance and accounting, do you have an idea ?

Thanks Duncan,
I think i got your point Duncan, I really apprciated it. Are you a Dean or something ?

By the way, im looking for a kind preparation MBA program for the finance and accounting too. What the suitable method do you know consider helpful to my finance and account too.
Or maybe such a short course to teach a finance and accounting, do you have an idea ?

Thanks Duncan,

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Duncan
Hi Tondicky,

You can click on my name to see my profile. I'm an MBA admissions coach.

Preparing for the core courses will be different from preparing for the GMAT.

I suggest you look at the opencourseware site for courses: something like this, but you might prefer something with audiovisual resources as well: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/sloan-school-of-management/15-501-introduction-to-financial-and-managerial-accounting-spring-2004/
Hi Tondicky,

You can click on my name to see my profile. I'm an MBA admissions coach.

Preparing for the core courses will be different from preparing for the GMAT.

I suggest you look at the opencourseware site for courses: something like this, but you might prefer something with audiovisual resources as well: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/sloan-school-of-management/15-501-introduction-to-financial-and-managerial-accounting-spring-2004/
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kyuri
Hello Duncan,
Don't want to start a new topic. You positively mentioned Antwerp management school. As it's Moscow's program is the only serious EMBA in Moscow within my budget, I got a few questions for you.
What is the AMS brand perception in Benelux countries? I'm espesially interested in Holland. How diploma from Antwerp school will be viewed in Amsterdam? I had an oportunity a few years ago to move there within my current firm and I may have the opportunity in the future.
Also, as I work for a law firm with head office in Chicago, is an american accreditation of AMS diploma will be of any considerable value in US?
Isn't it a bit strange for an european school to have only an american accreditation? I asked program manager re other accreditations and he told me that they are in a prosses to get equis. But it takes time and an additional cost.
Hello Duncan,
Don't want to start a new topic. You positively mentioned Antwerp management school. As it's Moscow's program is the only serious EMBA in Moscow within my budget, I got a few questions for you.
What is the AMS brand perception in Benelux countries? I'm espesially interested in Holland. How diploma from Antwerp school will be viewed in Amsterdam? I had an oportunity a few years ago to move there within my current firm and I may have the opportunity in the future.
Also, as I work for a law firm with head office in Chicago, is an american accreditation of AMS diploma will be of any considerable value in US?
Isn't it a bit strange for an european school to have only an american accreditation? I asked program manager re other accreditations and he told me that they are in a prosses to get equis. But it takes time and an additional cost.
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Duncan
Hi there,

Well, AMS gets 157% on the eduniversal ranking (http://www.eduniversal-ranking.com/business-school-university-ranking-4palms.html) and I think that's fair in a Belgian setting, where it's one of the top handful of schools. There's not so much movement of alumni or students between Flanders and Holland, but I would expert AMS would be seen as being on a par with average Dutch universities, because it's part of the University of Antwerp, and better than the Hogeschools, but not have much of a premium brand.

AACSB accreditation for AMS is useful; again, it can be presented as being on a par with average accredited universities, but of course it has no brand premium.

In a Dutch-speaking country the key accreditation is from the NVAO. AMS is mainly serving that local market, so I appreciate why much a small, national, school might not be able to justify the costs for a third accreditation.

Speaking personally, I would look at the California State University, East Bay MBA at the ANE in Moscow or at accredited distance learning programmes like Durham which allow some on-campus study.
Hi there,

Well, AMS gets 157% on the eduniversal ranking (http://www.eduniversal-ranking.com/business-school-university-ranking-4palms.html) and I think that's fair in a Belgian setting, where it's one of the top handful of schools. There's not so much movement of alumni or students between Flanders and Holland, but I would expert AMS would be seen as being on a par with average Dutch universities, because it's part of the University of Antwerp, and better than the Hogeschools, but not have much of a premium brand.

AACSB accreditation for AMS is useful; again, it can be presented as being on a par with average accredited universities, but of course it has no brand premium.

In a Dutch-speaking country the key accreditation is from the NVAO. AMS is mainly serving that local market, so I appreciate why much a small, national, school might not be able to justify the costs for a third accreditation.

Speaking personally, I would look at the California State University, East Bay MBA at the ANE in Moscow or at accredited distance learning programmes like Durham which allow some on-campus study.
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kyuri
Thank you Duncan.
I never seriously cosidered US mba in Russia. Though CSU is something 3rd tierish. Will take a look.
Thank you Duncan.
I never seriously cosidered US mba in Russia. Though CSU is something 3rd tierish. Will take a look.
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kyuri
Just an update on my decision.
I decided to join Antwerp Management School EMBA Moscow (jointly with IBS-Moscow). I choose it over WU Executive Academy PMBA mostly due to logistic problems. Even that WU itself is better ranked and, possibly, better presented and supported, I see no added value of WU diploma in Russia (or elsewhere outside Austria\Germany\Eastern Europe). AMS\IBS program have a far broader alumni network in Russia. Also, I think a "generalist" approach of AMS fits me better at current stage of my career.
I've been to three AMS-IBS "open days" and impressed by their commitment to EMBA improvement and promotion. AMS no longer rely only on its old "quality will promote itself" Jesuit's motto. Starting from a new intake in October, two tracks - in Antwerp and Moscow - will have 30% joint sessions during weeks in Moscow, Antwerp and, new addition, at Fordham in NY. Program management even playing with idea to encourage joint group master project between members of two track. As far as I understood, new 2 track system will enable to report 60+ intake to accreditation bodies, which may help ranking.
Moscow track is also split into two groups "week-end" - aimed to Muscovites (I'll join this one) and "modular", aimed to those living in other part of Russia and in CIS (60% of program presented in Russian, so fluent Russian is a must).
Also a good news is that IBS-Moscow re-accredited by AMBA for another 5 years (finished in May, officially in September) and joint AMS-IBS EMBA will be AMBA accredited too! So there will be double accreditation for Moscow track! IBS-Moscow issuing it's own diploma for Moscow track in addition to AMS's Belguim state diploma. AMS is currently under EFMD evaluation, so EQUIS accreditation also expected in coming year or two.
Re FT ranking, the biggest problem Moscow EMBA track was facing is low responding rate to questionnaires of its only 30+ intake. Not enough even to be considered for ranking. Only fraction of respondent provided their salary information, which is mostly due to cultural taboo in Russia to ask about your "true" income, but also due to a lack of guidance from AMS. AMS promised to provide clear guidelines for future alumni.
Also promising is that AMS is investing into Russian branch of alumni network. There is dedicated AMS employee and new web resources for alumni to come. So far alumni support in Russia doesn't look adequate. Also IBS-Moscow EMBA web-site sucks. Hope they will invest some money to bring it up in line with new AMS web-site.
Just an update on my decision.
I decided to join Antwerp Management School EMBA Moscow (jointly with IBS-Moscow). I choose it over WU Executive Academy PMBA mostly due to logistic problems. Even that WU itself is better ranked and, possibly, better presented and supported, I see no added value of WU diploma in Russia (or elsewhere outside Austria\Germany\Eastern Europe). AMS\IBS program have a far broader alumni network in Russia. Also, I think a "generalist" approach of AMS fits me better at current stage of my career.
I've been to three AMS-IBS "open days" and impressed by their commitment to EMBA improvement and promotion. AMS no longer rely only on its old "quality will promote itself" Jesuit's motto. Starting from a new intake in October, two tracks - in Antwerp and Moscow - will have 30% joint sessions during weeks in Moscow, Antwerp and, new addition, at Fordham in NY. Program management even playing with idea to encourage joint group master project between members of two track. As far as I understood, new 2 track system will enable to report 60+ intake to accreditation bodies, which may help ranking.
Moscow track is also split into two groups "week-end" - aimed to Muscovites (I'll join this one) and "modular", aimed to those living in other part of Russia and in CIS (60% of program presented in Russian, so fluent Russian is a must).
Also a good news is that IBS-Moscow re-accredited by AMBA for another 5 years (finished in May, officially in September) and joint AMS-IBS EMBA will be AMBA accredited too! So there will be double accreditation for Moscow track! IBS-Moscow issuing it's own diploma for Moscow track in addition to AMS's Belguim state diploma. AMS is currently under EFMD evaluation, so EQUIS accreditation also expected in coming year or two.
Re FT ranking, the biggest problem Moscow EMBA track was facing is low responding rate to questionnaires of its only 30+ intake. Not enough even to be considered for ranking. Only fraction of respondent provided their salary information, which is mostly due to cultural taboo in Russia to ask about your "true" income, but also due to a lack of guidance from AMS. AMS promised to provide clear guidelines for future alumni.
Also promising is that AMS is investing into Russian branch of alumni network. There is dedicated AMS employee and new web resources for alumni to come. So far alumni support in Russia doesn't look adequate. Also IBS-Moscow EMBA web-site sucks. Hope they will invest some money to bring it up in line with new AMS web-site.
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ralph
Thanks for the update, kyuri. Just curious: what's your cohort like, in terms of work experience and background? Are there any international students?
Thanks for the update, kyuri. Just curious: what's your cohort like, in terms of work experience and background? Are there any international students?
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kyuri
Hi!
As far as I could see from meetings with alumni and perspective participants (during open classes and tests), experience is over 10 years. They do not accept anyone younger then 27. I think more then half of cohort are mid\top managers of western companies in Russia (any type - small, mid or big multinationals). A lot of company sponsored. Always a few CEOs\owners of mid\small Russian companies and heads of rep. of foreign.
The biggest hurdle to take is English test. About 50% of applicants does not qualify. So it's only natural that there are a lot of participant from companies where English is a work language to some extend.
As for international participants - it's a problem, as Russian is a must. Usually there are only a few from former USSR countries, like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia. But even those usually only on module format. I met alumni with Latvian passport, but he's Russian. During my English test I met Indian guy, so may be we'll have Indians as well. But, as I mentioned, we'll have 30% of class time together with Antwerp track, so it will count for diversity
I can't find industry data on their web-site (http://www.engl.emba-uams.ru/), and don't remember details from presentations.
Hi!
As far as I could see from meetings with alumni and perspective participants (during open classes and tests), experience is over 10 years. They do not accept anyone younger then 27. I think more then half of cohort are mid\top managers of western companies in Russia (any type - small, mid or big multinationals). A lot of company sponsored. Always a few CEOs\owners of mid\small Russian companies and heads of rep. of foreign.
The biggest hurdle to take is English test. About 50% of applicants does not qualify. So it's only natural that there are a lot of participant from companies where English is a work language to some extend.
As for international participants - it's a problem, as Russian is a must. Usually there are only a few from former USSR countries, like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia. But even those usually only on module format. I met alumni with Latvian passport, but he's Russian. During my English test I met Indian guy, so may be we'll have Indians as well. But, as I mentioned, we'll have 30% of class time together with Antwerp track, so it will count for diversity
I can't find industry data on their web-site (http://www.engl.emba-uams.ru/), and don't remember details from presentations.
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bissy
Duncan you are very wrong- i had a dual masters from UIBS ANTWERP and is working for me perfectly. they now have accreditation and is a fully established university. There is no need to make senseless statement if you don't know anything about the school. Grow up
Duncan you are very wrong- i had a dual masters from UIBS ANTWERP and is working for me perfectly. they now have accreditation and is a fully established university. There is no need to make senseless statement if you don't know anything about the school. Grow up
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Duncan
Hi Bissy,

Which comment of mine, specifically, is mistaken? I don't think I said that no-one with a UIBS "degree" exists. However:
- It doesn't have respected international accreditation. Take a look at http://www.find-mba.com/accreditations
- It's not a real university. Universities in Belgium are regulated, and the UIBS isn't recognised by either of the two state bodies which do that, the Waloon and Flemish communities.

I am really happy to correct any mistaken statements but, comparing my comments on this site to yours, I think readers will see that I am trying to show the real options for students.

Tell me more about the dual masters. What was the other degree? What sort of jobs are your classmates in now?
Hi Bissy,

Which comment of mine, specifically, is mistaken? I don't think I said that no-one with a UIBS "degree" exists. However:
- It doesn't have respected international accreditation. Take a look at http://www.find-mba.com/accreditations
- It's not a real university. Universities in Belgium are regulated, and the UIBS isn't recognised by either of the two state bodies which do that, the Waloon and Flemish communities.

I am really happy to correct any mistaken statements but, comparing my comments on this site to yours, I think readers will see that I am trying to show the real options for students.

Tell me more about the dual masters. What was the other degree? What sort of jobs are your classmates in now?
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