FT published EMBA ranking for 2011


Duncan

It's now online at: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/emba-rankings-2011 The top ten schools are almost the same as last year, except the new UCLA / NUS EMBA pushed out CUHK.

The key points as I see them:
- Decelerating salary growth. Top schools by percentage increase are IE, Korea, Columbia/LBS, LBS, Kellogg/WHU and Imperial.
- Big improvements in standing for the top partnership programmes aimed, and in China. Salaries are quite amazing at HKUST (419K), Trium (307K), CUHK (275K), Ciebs (267) and LBS/Columbia (260K).
- Women are just 1/10th of Oxford EMBA students.
- Europe's fastest-rising EMBA in the FT rankings is also the programme with highest percentage of women: Euromed.
- Big falls in FT EMBA rankings for Thunderbird, Bradford/Tias, Vlerick, Copenhagen, Haskayne School.

It's now online at: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/emba-rankings-2011 The top ten schools are almost the same as last year, except the new UCLA / NUS EMBA pushed out CUHK.

The key points as I see them:
- Decelerating salary growth. Top schools by percentage increase are IE, Korea, Columbia/LBS, LBS, Kellogg/WHU and Imperial.
- Big improvements in standing for the top partnership programmes aimed, and in China. Salaries are quite amazing at HKUST (419K), Trium (307K), CUHK (275K), Ciebs (267) and LBS/Columbia (260K).
- Women are just 1/10th of Oxford EMBA students.
- Europe's fastest-rising EMBA in the FT rankings is also the programme with highest percentage of women: Euromed.
- Big falls in FT EMBA rankings for Thunderbird, Bradford/Tias, Vlerick, Copenhagen, Haskayne School.
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maubia

Despite the +153 ie embas "only" gets 170000.

Despite the +153 ie embas "only" gets 170000.
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Duncan

Yes, IE has slipped in the rankings. 170,000 is just under the 176K average in the rankings, so we can expect IE to continue to fall. These data are based on the class of 2008, and the downturn in Spain will hit the figures hard next year I guess.

A few other observations:
- The UK is now top for median salary increase, followed by Europe (both around 55%) and Asia-Pacific (around 45%). US comes last, around 38%.
- That partly explains the number of US schools falling or leaving the rankings. Boston U, BYU, Drexel out for example.
- Some of the weaker European schools are out too, including EM Lyon and EADA.

Yes, IE has slipped in the rankings. 170,000 is just under the 176K average in the rankings, so we can expect IE to continue to fall. These data are based on the class of 2008, and the downturn in Spain will hit the figures hard next year I guess.

A few other observations:
- The UK is now top for median salary increase, followed by Europe (both around 55%) and Asia-Pacific (around 45%). US comes last, around 38%.
- That partly explains the number of US schools falling or leaving the rankings. Boston U, BYU, Drexel out for example.
- Some of the weaker European schools are out too, including EM Lyon and EADA.
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ezra


- Big improvements in standing for the top partnership programmes aimed, and in China. Salaries are quite amazing at HKUST (419K), Trium (307K), CUHK (275K), Ciebs (267) and LBS/Columbia (260K).

This is interesting, but not really unexpected. Western schools are chomping at the bit to partner with Chinese schools for higher education. These partnerships and the independent rise of top schools in China especially but also in Hong Kong and Korea, are going to shape business education in profound ways.

A couple of observations around China programs and partnerships:

I wonder why the Tongji University EMBA program dropped 17 spots (ouch!) in the rankings. Last year, it seemed like this program was gaining a lot of traction.

Where did Euromed Management come from? It seems to be quickly climbing these rankings.

I predict that CEIBS will crack the top five next year. I foresee them opening a permanent campus in London to increase credibility for their MBA and EMBA programs.

<blockquote>
- Big improvements in standing for the top partnership programmes aimed, and in China. Salaries are quite amazing at HKUST (419K), Trium (307K), CUHK (275K), Ciebs (267) and LBS/Columbia (260K).</blockquote>
This is interesting, but not really unexpected. Western schools are chomping at the bit to partner with Chinese schools for higher education. These partnerships and the independent rise of top schools in China especially but also in Hong Kong and Korea, are going to shape business education in profound ways.

A couple of observations around China programs and partnerships:

I wonder why the Tongji University EMBA program dropped 17 spots (ouch!) in the rankings. Last year, it seemed like this program was gaining a lot of traction.

Where did Euromed Management come from? It seems to be quickly climbing these rankings.

I predict that CEIBS will crack the top five next year. I foresee them opening a permanent campus in London to increase credibility for their MBA and EMBA programs.


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Duncan

I suspect that the thing dragging down the Tongji programme might be to do with fragmentation. There's a Sino-French Center on the Tongji campus, and the EMBA is based there because of the connection with ENPC - who run the SIMBA (http://www.simba-tongji.com/en/index.jsp). I think it might have been the most European-friendly of the MBAs, but now the school also has an EMBA with Mannheim as well as its own EMBA.

I came across Euromed around five years ago; they hired the guy who recruited MBAs at EM Lyon, and they seemed then to have a very clear plan to grow well. They have three point programmes in China: very smart work since they have the Antai school - a really top tier partner.

No way will CEIBS open a campus in London in the next few years. It's a really saturated market. The cities which are crying out for a top-tier international EMBA are in developing markets: Mexico City, Jakarta, Cairo and Buenos Aires are all larger than London.

I suspect that the thing dragging down the Tongji programme might be to do with fragmentation. There's a Sino-French Center on the Tongji campus, and the EMBA is based there because of the connection with ENPC - who run the SIMBA (http://www.simba-tongji.com/en/index.jsp). I think it might have been the most European-friendly of the MBAs, but now the school also has an EMBA with Mannheim as well as its own EMBA.

I came across Euromed around five years ago; they hired the guy who recruited MBAs at EM Lyon, and they seemed then to have a very clear plan to grow well. They have three point programmes in China: very smart work since they have the Antai school - a really top tier partner.

No way will CEIBS open a campus in London in the next few years. It's a really saturated market. The cities which are crying out for a top-tier international EMBA are in developing markets: Mexico City, Jakarta, Cairo and Buenos Aires are all larger than London.
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ezra

I came across Euromed around five years ago; they hired the guy who recruited MBAs at EM Lyon, and they seemed then to have a very clear plan to grow well. They have three point programmes in China: very smart work since they have the Antai school - a really top tier partner.
Interesting. Seems like they're also a pretty global school - there's a campus in Marrakech as well. I think this will be a huge advantage in the next coming years.

No way will CEIBS open a campus in London in the next few years. It's a really saturated market. The cities which are crying out for a top-tier international EMBA are in developing markets: Mexico City, Jakarta, Cairo and Buenos Aires are all larger than London.

You want to make a bet? Just kidding.

Even though London is a saturated market, it's becoming an legitimacy-establishing outpost for Chinese b-schools. Beyond that, opening a campus in London allows the b-schools to introduce their students and alumni directly to European business leaders. This is a huge advantage, because many Chinese grads want to work for these businesses.

Cheung Kong is opening a campus there, and will establish an EMBA program with a yet-to-be-named partner in the next few years. I have no doubt that other Chinese schools will follow suit.

<blockquote> I came across Euromed around five years ago; they hired the guy who recruited MBAs at EM Lyon, and they seemed then to have a very clear plan to grow well. They have three point programmes in China: very smart work since they have the Antai school - a really top tier partner.</blockquote>Interesting. Seems like they're also a pretty global school - there's a campus in Marrakech as well. I think this will be a huge advantage in the next coming years.

<blockquote>No way will CEIBS open a campus in London in the next few years. It's a really saturated market. The cities which are crying out for a top-tier international EMBA are in developing markets: Mexico City, Jakarta, Cairo and Buenos Aires are all larger than London.</blockquote>
You want to make a bet? Just kidding.

Even though London is a saturated market, it's becoming an legitimacy-establishing outpost for Chinese b-schools. Beyond that, opening a campus in London allows the b-schools to introduce their students and alumni directly to European business leaders. This is a huge advantage, because many Chinese grads want to work for these businesses.

Cheung Kong is opening a campus there, and will establish an EMBA program with a yet-to-be-named partner in the next few years. I have no doubt that other Chinese schools will follow suit.
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Duncan

Well, I will not hold my breath about Cheung Kong opening a "campus" in London. A serviced office maybe, but certainly nothing like the LBS site in Dubai or the IESE facility in New York, let alone the INSEAD or ESSEC campus in Singapore.

What other Chinese b-schools are opening up outside Asia?

Well, I will not hold my breath about Cheung Kong opening a "campus" in London. A serviced office maybe, but certainly nothing like the LBS site in Dubai or the IESE facility in New York, let alone the INSEAD or ESSEC campus in Singapore.

What other Chinese b-schools are opening up outside Asia?
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ezra

Well, I will not hold my breath about Cheung Kong opening a "campus" in London. A serviced office maybe, but certainly nothing like the LBS site in Dubai or the IESE facility in New York, let alone the INSEAD or ESSEC campus in Singapore.
Maybe not initially, but the appetite is there. I read a great article in the Independent not too long ago about Cheung Kong's new London branch - and it seems that at first they want just something of an outpost, but this will eventually grow into something like a campus.

What other Chinese b-schools are opening up outside Asia?
Well, CEIBS has an executive program in Zurich - and the previously mentioned Cheung Kong will have start offering its EMBA in New York soon.

<blockquote>Well, I will not hold my breath about Cheung Kong opening a "campus" in London. A serviced office maybe, but certainly nothing like the LBS site in Dubai or the IESE facility in New York, let alone the INSEAD or ESSEC campus in Singapore.</blockquote>Maybe not initially, but the appetite is there. I read a great article in the Independent not too long ago about Cheung Kong's new London branch - and it seems that at first they want just something of an outpost, but this will eventually grow into something like a campus.

<blockquote>What other Chinese b-schools are opening up outside Asia? </blockquote>Well, CEIBS has an executive program in Zurich - and the previously mentioned Cheung Kong will have start offering its EMBA in New York soon.
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Duncan

Well running a two-day seminar in Zurich for (mainly) Asians is a long way from opening up a campus. The Chinese market is growing so fast that Chinese schools will be better adviced to focus on their domestic market, and to aim at places where the Chinese diaspora is in its hundreds of thousands (like Britain, Canada, Peru, Japan) and marginalised from higher education.

Well running a two-day seminar in Zurich for (mainly) Asians is a long way from opening up a campus. The Chinese market is growing so fast that Chinese schools will be better adviced to focus on their domestic market, and to aim at places where the Chinese diaspora is in its hundreds of thousands (like Britain, Canada, Peru, Japan) and marginalised from higher education.
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Duncan

PS INteresting to see that Euromed seems to have replaced its full-time MBA with a modular part-time MBA, alongside the Chinese MBAs.

PS INteresting to see that Euromed seems to have replaced its full-time MBA with a modular part-time MBA, alongside the Chinese MBAs.
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ezra

PS INteresting to see that Euromed seems to have replaced its full-time MBA with a modular part-time MBA, alongside the Chinese MBAs.

Seems right, considering the audience for this type of program. The revamp might also have something to do with Euromed's new partnership with Bordeaux Ecole de Management.

<blockquote>PS INteresting to see that Euromed seems to have replaced its full-time MBA with a modular part-time MBA, alongside the Chinese MBAs.</blockquote>
Seems right, considering the audience for this type of program. The revamp might also have something to do with Euromed's new partnership with Bordeaux Ecole de Management.
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