Private EBS MBA or Hochshule Pforzheim MBA


Lei Hua
Hi,
I am struggling to go for private business school EBS or Public school Pforzheim for 2017fall intake full time MBA program.
(8years in automotive industry so far,currently working in Fiat Chrysler APAC headquarters in Shanghai; focus on Aftersales markets customer service quality, gmat570,German a1,dream job -work in BMW marketing research in germany,big fan of BMW marketing lol)

I'm prefer to go for Pforzheim a bit now personally since it is 2 years program with some time to study German, however a bit concern that because it is Hochshule,not sure should I go for a private school like EBS university? More preferable from HR? can't go to Manhheim/WHU due to low GMAT,and considering work load and tight time schedule now, i won't re-take GMAT

Please share your suggestions
Hi,
I am struggling to go for private business school EBS or Public school Pforzheim for 2017fall intake full time MBA program.
(8years in automotive industry so far,currently working in Fiat Chrysler APAC headquarters in Shanghai; focus on Aftersales markets customer service quality, gmat570,German a1,dream job -work in BMW marketing research in germany,big fan of BMW marketing lol)

I'm prefer to go for Pforzheim a bit now personally since it is 2 years program with some time to study German, however a bit concern that because it is Hochshule,not sure should I go for a private school like EBS university? More preferable from HR? can't go to Manhheim/WHU due to low GMAT,and considering work load and tight time schedule now, i won't re-take GMAT

Please share your suggestions
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maury
How is your German? EBS seems like the reasonable choice, given its placements in the industry, but post-MBA, a lot will depend on whether or not you're fluent in the language.
How is your German? EBS seems like the reasonable choice, given its placements in the industry, but post-MBA, a lot will depend on whether or not you're fluent in the language.
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Lei Hua
German beginner... I have read a lot of posts regarding the importance of German skills. If I go DSH->MSc path, it takes too long...
How is the chance to find a job in automotive industry with 8years experience and networks in germany,plus 2years full time MBA? Also please include non-german car makers since I speak fluent Chinese, English, Korean and Japanese. There are some non-German car makers in Frankfurt area..
German beginner... I have read a lot of posts regarding the importance of German skills. If I go DSH->MSc path, it takes too long...
How is the chance to find a job in automotive industry with 8years experience and networks in germany,plus 2years full time MBA? Also please include non-german car makers since I speak fluent Chinese, English, Korean and Japanese. There are some non-German car makers in Frankfurt area..
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Dan85
... which will probably would even take you without an MBA - you don't think so?
... which will probably would even take you without an MBA - you don't think so?
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maury
The auto industry in Germany is one where you'll need absolutely fluent German skills in. I would worry that, even while studying the language in the MBA, there wouldn't be enough time to get up to an appropriate language level.
The auto industry in Germany is one where you'll need absolutely fluent German skills in. I would worry that, even while studying the language in the MBA, there wouldn't be enough time to get up to an appropriate language level.
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Duncan
DSH plus a one year MSc takes no more time than a two year MBA, and co
DSH plus a one year MSc takes no more time than a two year MBA, and co
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Dan85
Maybe a word on BMW: From what I hear, BMW hardly hires any more people. If they need staff, they 'rent' them from external service companies or OEMs on a project-by-project basis.
Maybe a word on BMW: From what I hear, BMW hardly hires any more people. If they need staff, they 'rent' them from external service companies or OEMs on a project-by-project basis.
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Lei Hua
Ya same in fiat chrysler, we have a lot of contractors as well - basically outsourcing everything...
Ya same in fiat chrysler, we have a lot of contractors as well - basically outsourcing everything...
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Lei Hua
DSH plus a one year MSc takes no more time than a two year MBA, and co
[quote]DSH plus a one year MSc takes no more time than a two year MBA, and co[/quote]
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Lei Hua
@Duncan, I considered intensive German lesson and then go for master of marketing taught In German first. However, my major was Janpanese culture&language which makes very few school would take me for master without revlant credits. I won't study bachelor of marketing all over again.It was the main reason that I have to choose MBA because there is no limit for bachelor major.
If you have suggestions, please advise. Thank you,
@Duncan, I considered intensive German lesson and then go for master of marketing taught In German first. However, my major was Janpanese culture&language which makes very few school would take me for master without revlant credits. I won't study bachelor of marketing all over again.It was the main reason that I have to choose MBA because there is no limit for bachelor major.
If you have suggestions, please advise. Thank you,
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Duncan
I don't really understand what you are saying. I think you mean that because you don't have prior studies in business that some schools will not admit you to their marketing degrees. Indeed, but there will be some schools that will. You need simply the patience to use the DAAD website to find them. The Business Consulting Master (BCM) at Furtwangen comes to mind.
I don't really understand what you are saying. I think you mean that because you don't have prior studies in business that some schools will not admit you to their marketing degrees. Indeed, but there will be some schools that will. You need simply the patience to use the DAAD website to find them. The Business Consulting Master (BCM) at Furtwangen comes to mind.
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Lei Hua
Thanks for your information. I will take a look.
Thanks for your information. I will take a look.
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@Duncan, Even I got admits from EBS, Pforzheim, ESCP Berlin, Offenburg and ESB Reutlingen (Waiting, but I will crack). I have 6.7 years of experience in SAP ERP consulting and I am learning German A2 level. I will complete A2 before going there.
I want to work in IT post MBA. General/Product Management field in companies such as SAP. Please, guys can you suggest me a better option?

After gone through many posts here, I shortlisted Pforzheim and EBS..i just downloaded the employment report of EBS, and figures are saying 80k+ Avg salary...but fees is 32k whereas Pforzheim has fees less than half that of EBS.

Please share your thoughts and help me to choose the right one.
@Duncan, Even I got admits from EBS, Pforzheim, ESCP Berlin, Offenburg and ESB Reutlingen (Waiting, but I will crack). I have 6.7 years of experience in SAP ERP consulting and I am learning German A2 level. I will complete A2 before going there.
I want to work in IT post MBA. General/Product Management field in companies such as SAP. Please, guys can you suggest me a better option?

After gone through many posts here, I shortlisted Pforzheim and EBS..i just downloaded the employment report of EBS, and figures are saying 80k+ Avg salary...but fees is 32k whereas Pforzheim has fees less than half that of EBS.

Please share your thoughts and help me to choose the right one.
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Duncan
Which starts latest? You should aim to get your German to as high a level as possible.

Which campus will make you speak the most German? Maybe it's Pforzheim, with the twom-year model and German classes included.

I think EBS outcomes will apply to you only if you have perfect German.
Which starts latest? You should aim to get your German to as high a level as possible.

Which campus will make you speak the most German? Maybe it's Pforzheim, with the twom-year model and German classes included.

I think EBS outcomes will apply to you only if you have perfect German.
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Which starts latest? You should aim to get your German to as high a level as possible.

Which campus will make you speak the most German? Maybe it's Pforzheim, with the twom-year model and German classes included.

I think EBS outcomes will apply to you only if you have perfect German.


Both Start in September. Pforzheim's duration is the major concern for me at this point of time. But, yes Pforzheim will give me good opportunity to learn German. Most probably I will go with that only. Thanks

[Edited by ujwalkolhe on Jun 06, 2017]

[quote]Which starts latest? You should aim to get your German to as high a level as possible.

Which campus will make you speak the most German? Maybe it's Pforzheim, with the twom-year model and German classes included.

I think EBS outcomes will apply to you only if you have perfect German. [/quote]

Both Start in September. Pforzheim's duration is the major concern for me at this point of time. But, yes Pforzheim will give me good opportunity to learn German. Most probably I will go with that only. Thanks
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Gk
@ujwal & @ Lei - Following comments are pertaining to Pforzheim: You need strict dicipline and dedication to learn Deutsch during your MBA. You will have to make strict schedule for it learn during your MBA classes (case studies, presentations, group work, projects works etc etc) assignments , terms papers.
Communication in class is all in english and you cant count on it to practice your Deutsch. Outside class its all Deutsch, unless you want them to talk in English.

To practise your German skills I would suggest-
1. Stay in WG with all germans. Though they would want to improve their english with you, but you stick to your needs ;). In Hostels you tend to form sub-groups (from your country) for your convenience (thats not a negative point, but thats how humans work)
2. Daily practice what you have learned in your German classes which are 2-3days a week (6hr-8hrs approx). If not, you will still manage to clear the exam, but it wont be effective.
3. If you have enough professional experience, in Summer break choose an intensive class outside Hochschule over company internship (my personal opinion). Register in advance, so that you dont miss out on limited seats, or else you would have to travel to Karlsruhe or Stuttgart, which will be expensive option. These classes have their own enterance exam to determine your german level. Because many student say they have cleared A2.1 or A2.2 level and still cant speak deutsch. Somethings wrong if you are heading there to enroll for B1 and cant speak to them in deutsch.

Good luck for your new life :)
@ujwal & @ Lei - Following comments are pertaining to Pforzheim: You need strict dicipline and dedication to learn Deutsch during your MBA. You will have to make strict schedule for it learn during your MBA classes (case studies, presentations, group work, projects works etc etc) assignments , terms papers.
Communication in class is all in english and you cant count on it to practice your Deutsch. Outside class its all Deutsch, unless you want them to talk in English.

To practise your German skills I would suggest-
1. Stay in WG with all germans. Though they would want to improve their english with you, but you stick to your needs ;). In Hostels you tend to form sub-groups (from your country) for your convenience (thats not a negative point, but thats how humans work)
2. Daily practice what you have learned in your German classes which are 2-3days a week (6hr-8hrs approx). If not, you will still manage to clear the exam, but it wont be effective.
3. If you have enough professional experience, in Summer break choose an intensive class outside Hochschule over company internship (my personal opinion). Register in advance, so that you dont miss out on limited seats, or else you would have to travel to Karlsruhe or Stuttgart, which will be expensive option. These classes have their own enterance exam to determine your german level. Because many student say they have cleared A2.1 or A2.2 level and still cant speak deutsch. Somethings wrong if you are heading there to enroll for B1 and cant speak to them in deutsch.

Good luck for your new life :)
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Duncan
Great suggestions! Many thanks.
Great suggestions! Many thanks.
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