MBA in Germany


srunick

Hello All,

Please provide details on available scholarship/funding options and review on the schools and full time MBA programs in terms of recognition, employment opportunities for non - EU citizens, partner companies,curriculum and ranking to help me further.

[Edited by srunick on Jun 03, 2015]

Hello All,

Please provide details on available scholarship/funding options and review on the schools and full time MBA programs in terms of recognition, employment opportunities for non - EU citizens, partner companies,curriculum and ranking to help me further.

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Duncan

Hochschule Pforzheim is the outstanding school there, since I think it's the only one with school-wide AACSB accreditation. HWR Berlin has AMBA accreditation for the MBA only, but the RoI is limited by the very poor economic conditions in East Germany. GDP per capital in the region around Pforzheim is around double that of Berlin. I don't think any of the other schools have meaningful international accreditation. GISMA is a school to be cautious about after its recent bankruptcy.

Hochschule Pforzheim is the outstanding school there, since I think it's the only one with school-wide AACSB accreditation. HWR Berlin has AMBA accreditation for the MBA only, but the RoI is limited by the very poor economic conditions in East Germany. GDP per capital in the region around Pforzheim is around double that of Berlin. I don't think any of the other schools have meaningful international accreditation. GISMA is a school to be cautious about after its recent bankruptcy.
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srunick

Hi Duncan,
Thanks for your valuable inputs.
Do you suggest me to apply for Tier 1 schools after reapplying for GMAT or consider any other school in the above list with German accreditation as I plan to work in Germany.

Hi Duncan,
Thanks for your valuable inputs.
Do you suggest me to apply for Tier 1 schools after reapplying for GMAT or consider any other school in the above list with German accreditation as I plan to work in Germany.
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Duncan

If you want to work in Germany, take a one-year German language course, and then a one-year MSc taught in German.

If you want to work in Germany, take a one-year German language course, and then a one-year MSc taught in German.
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MBAmate

I would suggest you to consider a few other dimensions.

You have already 5+ years of experience. If you want to spend 1 more year in Learning German ( while working fill time ) which may not be a very good idea, if you are working for 8 to 9 hours a day and also trying to make language skills better. Further to this ,,After you complete MBA no specific school is going to help you with a placement in Germany. I dont think AASCB accreditation of school is going to give you employment. If you have IT skills and can make German B1 level which is possible when you are studying in Germany itself. You have to work hard. So take up a course which is fast track like 15 to 18 months , get to know all aspects if business consulting and also secure a job visa of 15 to 18 months. Offenburg MBA IBC , and few other courses can fall this category.

I would suggest you to consider a few other dimensions.

You have already 5+ years of experience. If you want to spend 1 more year in Learning German ( while working fill time ) which may not be a very good idea, if you are working for 8 to 9 hours a day and also trying to make language skills better. Further to this ,,After you complete MBA no specific school is going to help you with a placement in Germany. I dont think AASCB accreditation of school is going to give you employment. If you have IT skills and can make German B1 level which is possible when you are studying in Germany itself. You have to work hard. So take up a course which is fast track like 15 to 18 months , get to know all aspects if business consulting and also secure a job visa of 15 to 18 months. Offenburg MBA IBC , and few other courses can fall this category.
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Duncan

Ashok is broadly right, but a little too sweeping. Of course there are possibilities if you don't speak German but they are few, and will perhaps entail a longer job search leading to lower salaries and worse prospects for promotion. A longer MBA, or an full-time language course, are good options to improve the odds.

Ashok is broadly right, but a little too sweeping. Of course there are possibilities if you don't speak German but they are few, and will perhaps entail a longer job search leading to lower salaries and worse prospects for promotion. A longer MBA, or an full-time language course, are good options to improve the odds.
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MBAmate

Thanks Duncan.. 2 cents .. 1. I did a background review of many international students and inetracted with them personally from many schools in Germany. and even if well known schools. and with a 2 year program ( which can actually be 18 or 21 months including thesis semester of 3 months and claim 2 years ) didnt secure very impressive job and had to remain unemployed or struggled with entry level jobs for sometime. IT grads with prev experience had better opportunities and if they have worked in desired technology and platforms. employment opportunities are better for sure. MBA degree is an eye opener to the management sphere , but doesnt teach to be a successful manager. ( talking about general MBA progarms)

2. As soon as you are outa uni / school.. its up to the student how well he presents himself , networks and and carves his own path up the ladder.. the better opportunities one looks for the more skilled he has to be in a multicultural environment.

Thanks Duncan.. 2 cents .. 1. I did a background review of many international students and inetracted with them personally from many schools in Germany. and even if well known schools. and with a 2 year program ( which can actually be 18 or 21 months including thesis semester of 3 months and claim 2 years ) didnt secure very impressive job and had to remain unemployed or struggled with entry level jobs for sometime. IT grads with prev experience had better opportunities and if they have worked in desired technology and platforms. employment opportunities are better for sure. MBA degree is an eye opener to the management sphere , but doesnt teach to be a successful manager. ( talking about general MBA progarms)

2. As soon as you are outa uni / school.. its up to the student how well he presents himself , networks and and carves his own path up the ladder.. the better opportunities one looks for the more skilled he has to be in a multicultural environment.

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Duncan

Very useful. This really makes sense. It might be different for students at the very top schools, especially ESMT and HSG, but I really think it's a student-driven MBA market in Germany, rather than an employer-driven one. Very different from the top MSc programmes.

Very useful. This really makes sense. It might be different for students at the very top schools, especially ESMT and HSG, but I really think it's a student-driven MBA market in Germany, rather than an employer-driven one. Very different from the top MSc programmes.
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mba.jen

Hello All. I saw a few german courses have AASCB acreditation and some have FIBAA , I called schools having FIBBA and they say FIBAA has equal standards to certify a school. I come from a quality assurance background so I understand the in depth of the things . However I see members favoring AASCB here. going through fibaa and aascb standards. for me successful completetion of a program is more important as I dont give much weight to employment at this stage. I think langauge is important I am learning A2 level . any advice ?

Hello All. I saw a few german courses have AASCB acreditation and some have FIBAA , I called schools having FIBBA and they say FIBAA has equal standards to certify a school. I come from a quality assurance background so I understand the in depth of the things . However I see members favoring AASCB here. going through fibaa and aascb standards. for me successful completetion of a program is more important as I dont give much weight to employment at this stage. I think langauge is important I am learning A2 level . any advice ?
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Duncan

These are not comparable. AACSB is world-class accreditation. FIBAA is not at the same level: just compare the criteria and costs.

You might not be concerned about employment, but accreditation both influences and reflects the quality of teaching, students, resources, networks and standing of the university.

Take a look at Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

These are not comparable. AACSB is world-class accreditation. FIBAA is not at the same level: just compare the criteria and costs.

You might not be concerned about employment, but accreditation both influences and reflects the quality of teaching, students, resources, networks and standing of the university.

Take a look at Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713
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srunick

Hello All,

Please clarify Hochschule Reutlingen Vs Hochschule Pforzheim in terms of MBA ROI as rankings wise both seem to be on same level except for accreditation.

http://www.eduniversal-ranking.com/business-school-university-ranking-in-germany.html

[Edited by srunick on May 22, 2015]

Hello All,

Please clarify Hochschule Reutlingen Vs Hochschule Pforzheim in terms of MBA ROI as rankings wise both seem to be on same level except for accreditation.

http://www.eduniversal-ranking.com/business-school-university-ranking-in-germany.html
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Duncan

The Eduniversal rankings are a good measure of the *academic* standing of a school. For student outcomes in Germany, the CHE eankings are better: http://ranking.zeit.de/che2015/en/

The Eduniversal rankings are a good measure of the *academic* standing of a school. For student outcomes in Germany, the CHE eankings are better: http://ranking.zeit.de/che2015/en/
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Hi, I received an admit from ESB Reutlingen - MBA. Can anyone help me out here with the school's reputation and job prospects? I am from India with B1 German and with 3 years of professional work exp.

Hi, I received an admit from ESB Reutlingen - MBA. Can anyone help me out here with the school's reputation and job prospects? I am from India with B1 German and with 3 years of professional work exp.
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Duncan

Try: How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571

Obviously, it is not as good as a better school. Why not try for one?

Try: How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571

Obviously, it is not as good as a better school. Why not try for one?
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Thanks Duncan. Could you help me out with one more query? I wanted to strengthen my German as much as I can before I join a school. I was searching for online certification courses and came across a website called Lingoda who offers online classes and provides certification as per CEFR guidelines. Wanna know if these certificates would be valued equally as Goethe or GSH courses.

Thanks Duncan. Could you help me out with one more query? I wanted to strengthen my German as much as I can before I join a school. I was searching for online certification courses and came across a website called Lingoda who offers online classes and provides certification as per CEFR guidelines. Wanna know if these certificates would be valued equally as Goethe or GSH courses.
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Duncan

No. You can see on admissions pages which certificates are valued.

No. You can see on admissions pages which certificates are valued.
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maury

Yes, but even the certificates that are valued are not required by an English-language MBA program in Germany. An online course, however, might help you improve your language skills; so in that sense it could be valuable. I'm sure there are even online Skype tutors, etc. But maybe spending some time in the country pre-MBA would be more helpful.

Yes, but even the certificates that are valued are not required by an English-language MBA program in Germany. An online course, however, might help you improve your language skills; so in that sense it could be valuable. I'm sure there are even online Skype tutors, etc. But maybe spending some time in the country pre-MBA would be more helpful.
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Duncan

The MBA programmes in English will not all ask for German-language qualifications, but some do. But the programmes in German will have German-language certificate preferences, such as TestDAF, DfdB, DSH etc and generally the qualifications which German-language organisations ask for will also be recognised by German-language employers. The DSH, Sprachdiplomen and the Austrian qualification will always be well respected.

The MBA programmes in English will not all ask for German-language qualifications, but some do. But the programmes in German will have German-language certificate preferences, such as TestDAF, DfdB, DSH etc and generally the qualifications which German-language organisations ask for will also be recognised by German-language employers. The DSH, Sprachdiplomen and the Austrian qualification will always be well respected.
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srunick

Hello All,

Please clarify which is a better accreditation between EFMD/EPAS and AACSD in terms of choosing a MBA school in Germany.

Thanks

Hello All,

Please clarify which is a better accreditation between EFMD/EPAS and AACSD in terms of choosing a MBA school in Germany.

Thanks
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Duncan

AACSB .See http://find-mba.com/mba-faq/mba-accreditation-why-is-it-important

AACSB .See http://find-mba.com/mba-faq/mba-accreditation-why-is-it-important
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