MBA in Asia

kit

6 12

Posted Oct 24, 2007 06:01

HKUST doesn't seem to be on FT's MBA rankings, only its EMBA rankings. Any reason why?

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shawn.hk

22 44

Posted Oct 24, 2007 11:16

HKUST doesn't seem to be on FT's MBA rankings, only its EMBA rankings. Any reason why?

no? hmm, not sure why.

<blockquote>HKUST doesn't seem to be on FT's MBA rankings, only its EMBA rankings. Any reason why?

</blockquote>

no? hmm, not sure why.

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vasilijs

19 38

Posted Oct 25, 2007 12:01

HKUST doesn't seem to be on FT's MBA rankings, only its EMBA rankings. Any reason why?

A few people already explained it on this forum and elsewhere in the internet. The last year FT MBA ranking was composed from the responses of people graduated four years ago. Four years ago the HKUST MBA class was extremely small because of SARS epidemy, and the FT did not collect enough responses to include HKUST in the FT ranking last year. This year, according to the Programme Director, the required number of responses is collected, and HKUST will be ranked again. We are not sure about the position (historically, it was ranked somewhere between N40 and N50 in the world), but everybody think it will stay within top50.

<blockquote>HKUST doesn't seem to be on FT's MBA rankings, only its EMBA rankings. Any reason why?

</blockquote>
A few people already explained it on this forum and elsewhere in the internet. The last year FT MBA ranking was composed from the responses of people graduated four years ago. Four years ago the HKUST MBA class was extremely small because of SARS epidemy, and the FT did not collect enough responses to include HKUST in the FT ranking last year. This year, according to the Programme Director, the required number of responses is collected, and HKUST will be ranked again. We are not sure about the position (historically, it was ranked somewhere between N40 and N50 in the world), but everybody think it will stay within top50.

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shawn.hk

22 44

Posted Oct 25, 2007 12:44

Vasilijs you seem to be up to date on Hong Kong USt full time MBA.

do you see the full time MBA catching up in rankings to the EMBA level sometime in the future? obviously not #1, but more realistically top 20 in FT?

I heard that most of the EMBA professors also teach MBA classes, is that true?

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vasilijs

19 38

Posted Oct 25, 2007 17:12

do you see the full time MBA catching up in rankings to the EMBA level sometime in the future? obviously not #1, but more realistically top 20 in FT?

Well, EIU 2007 actually ranks HKUST MBA as N20 in the world. Whether it would happen with FT ranking I don't know, but being between N20 and N30 (i.e. the same level as Erasmus Rotterdam, Cornell, and other similar schools) is absolutely realistic within, let's say, five years.

I heard that most of the EMBA professors also teach MBA classes, is that true?

Yes, most of EMBA professors also teach MBA classes, that is true.

<blockquote>
do you see the full time MBA catching up in rankings to the EMBA level sometime in the future? obviously not #1, but more realistically top 20 in FT?
</blockquote>
Well, EIU 2007 actually ranks HKUST MBA as N20 in the world. Whether it would happen with FT ranking I don't know, but being between N20 and N30 (i.e. the same level as Erasmus Rotterdam, Cornell, and other similar schools) is absolutely realistic within, let's say, five years.

<blockquote>
I heard that most of the EMBA professors also teach MBA classes, is that true?
</blockquote>
Yes, most of EMBA professors also teach MBA classes, that is true.

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shawn.hk

22 44

Posted Oct 26, 2007 10:16

do you see the full time MBA catching up in rankings to the EMBA level sometime in the future? obviously not #1, but more realistically top 20 in FT?

Well, EIU 2007 actually ranks HKUST MBA as N20 in the world. Whether it would happen with FT ranking I don't know, but being between N20 and N30 (i.e. the same level as Erasmus Rotterdam, Cornell, and other similar schools) is absolutely realistic within, let's say, five years.

I heard that most of the EMBA professors also teach MBA classes, is that true?

Yes, most of EMBA professors also teach MBA classes, that is true.

I spoke with someone with the inside track on business education in HK today, and to quote him "HKU is picking up the crumbs after HK UST" at this point in time.
What is your view on HKU compared to HK UST ?

<blockquote><blockquote>
do you see the full time MBA catching up in rankings to the EMBA level sometime in the future? obviously not #1, but more realistically top 20 in FT?
</blockquote>
Well, EIU 2007 actually ranks HKUST MBA as N20 in the world. Whether it would happen with FT ranking I don't know, but being between N20 and N30 (i.e. the same level as Erasmus Rotterdam, Cornell, and other similar schools) is absolutely realistic within, let's say, five years.

<blockquote>
I heard that most of the EMBA professors also teach MBA classes, is that true?
</blockquote>
Yes, most of EMBA professors also teach MBA classes, that is true.</blockquote>

I spoke with someone with the inside track on business education in HK today, and to quote him "HKU is picking up the crumbs after HK UST" at this point in time.
What is your view on HKU compared to HK UST ?

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vasilijs

19 38

Posted Oct 26, 2007 16:43

I spoke with someone with the inside track on business education in HK today, and to quote him "HKU is picking up the crumbs after HK UST" at this point in time.
What is your view on HKU compared to HK UST ?

I would agree with this opinion.

During the MBA Fairs last year I also spoke with HKU people. Okay, I did not do too much research on HKU at that point of time, but what I could notice immediately was a kind of an attitude towards the prospective applicants - "Brother, this is HKU, we have everything and we are the best". This does not look really professional. In our class we have a few people who were admited to both HKU and HKUST, and preferred to go to HKUST. I cannot comment on HKU in more details, but according to what my coursemates and professors say from time to time, I would conclude that HKU MBA is not a real competitor to HKUST MBA at this point of time - in terms of programme quality and reputation at least. I cannot say about the corporate world.

<blockquote>I spoke with someone with the inside track on business education in HK today, and to quote him "HKU is picking up the crumbs after HK UST" at this point in time.
What is your view on HKU compared to HK UST ?</blockquote>
I would agree with this opinion.

During the MBA Fairs last year I also spoke with HKU people. Okay, I did not do too much research on HKU at that point of time, but what I could notice immediately was a kind of an attitude towards the prospective applicants - "Brother, this is HKU, we have everything and we are the best". This does not look really professional. In our class we have a few people who were admited to both HKU and HKUST, and preferred to go to HKUST. I cannot comment on HKU in more details, but according to what my coursemates and professors say from time to time, I would conclude that HKU MBA is not a real competitor to HKUST MBA at this point of time - in terms of programme quality and reputation at least. I cannot say about the corporate world.

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shawn.hk

22 44

Posted Oct 27, 2007 10:40

I spoke with someone with the inside track on business education in HK today, and to quote him "HKU is picking up the crumbs after HK UST" at this point in time.
What is your view on HKU compared to HK UST ?

I would agree with this opinion.

During the MBA Fairs last year I also spoke with HKU people. Okay, I did not do too much research on HKU at that point of time, but what I could notice immediately was a kind of an attitude towards the prospective applicants - "Brother, this is HKU, we have everything and we are the best". This does not look really professional. In our class we have a few people who were admited to both HKU and HKUST, and preferred to go to HKUST. I cannot comment on HKU in more details, but according to what my coursemates and professors say from time to time, I would conclude that HKU MBA is not a real competitor to HKUST MBA at this point of time - in terms of programme quality and reputation at least. I cannot say about the corporate world.

at the latest communist party congress, Hu Jintao basically pounded the table on shift into science and tech and how that is the priority for China in the next 5-10 years.

any talk at Hong Kong USt of additional funding they will be receiving? I would think Tsinghua and HK UST should do well in terms of government subsidies in the next decade or so.

whats your point of view on that?

whats your personal viewpoint on the battle for #1 in Asia Insead and Hong Kong USt? have you considered Insead in your selection process. what is Insead's reputation on HK UST's campus?

great posts by the way, thank you

<blockquote><blockquote>I spoke with someone with the inside track on business education in HK today, and to quote him "HKU is picking up the crumbs after HK UST" at this point in time.
What is your view on HKU compared to HK UST ?</blockquote>
I would agree with this opinion.

During the MBA Fairs last year I also spoke with HKU people. Okay, I did not do too much research on HKU at that point of time, but what I could notice immediately was a kind of an attitude towards the prospective applicants - "Brother, this is HKU, we have everything and we are the best". This does not look really professional. In our class we have a few people who were admited to both HKU and HKUST, and preferred to go to HKUST. I cannot comment on HKU in more details, but according to what my coursemates and professors say from time to time, I would conclude that HKU MBA is not a real competitor to HKUST MBA at this point of time - in terms of programme quality and reputation at least. I cannot say about the corporate world.</blockquote>

at the latest communist party congress, Hu Jintao basically pounded the table on shift into science and tech and how that is the priority for China in the next 5-10 years.

any talk at Hong Kong USt of additional funding they will be receiving? I would think Tsinghua and HK UST should do well in terms of government subsidies in the next decade or so.

whats your point of view on that?

whats your personal viewpoint on the battle for #1 in Asia Insead and Hong Kong USt? have you considered Insead in your selection process. what is Insead's reputation on HK UST's campus?

great posts by the way, thank you

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vasilijs

19 38

Posted Oct 28, 2007 05:36

at the latest communist party congress, Hu Jintao basically pounded the table on shift into science and tech and how that is the priority for China in the next 5-10 years. any talk at Hong Kong USt of additional funding they will be receiving? I would think Tsinghua and HK UST should do well in terms of government subsidies in the next decade or so. whats your point of view on that?

HKUST has an extremely powerful sponsor in Hong Kong - The Hong Kong Jockey Club. It much more powerful and able than the government subsidies may be. Since my first degree is Natural Science, I could not resist to have a look on the facilities and publications in my former area of interest in HKUST. I assure you, the facilities and research here are world level already. Additional government subsidies perpahs would do good things, no doubts, but HKUST is not a poor school begging for money. Besides, the government subsidies will not affect MBA programme too much - this programme financially self-containing, plus there are good sponsors as well.

whats your personal viewpoint on the battle for #1 in Asia Insead and Hong Kong USt? have you considered Insead in your selection process.

Regarding "who is N1 in Asia - INSEAD Singapore or HKUST" - I already told my opinion on this forum. Clearly: THESE SCHOOLS ARE NOT TOO BE COMPARED AT ALL. Or, if you insist :), HKUST IS CLEAR N1 IN ASIA BECAUSE INSEAD IS NOT AN ASIAN SCHOOL. Comparing HKUST with INSEAD is like comparing Toronto Maple Leafs National Hockey league club with Arsenal Premier League football club.

To support my opinion, I want to refer to the post by the user called "insead_mba" (http://find-mba.com/board/4345/2), who absolutely correctly says that it is wrong to separate INSEAD into France and Singapore, and that there is no strong Asian focus in INSEAD Singapore. INSEAD is not an Asian school. The Singapore campus was established not in order to become a separate Asian-focused institution under INSEAD brand, but to give the INSEAD students exposure to Asia. INSEAD Singapore does not have its own admission - all admission decisions are done in France. The correct way to look at INSEAD would be that it is a European school with a subsidiary campus in Asia. That's it. I don't understand why people mix INSEAD SIngapore here - it is not an Asia-focused school, it is not an Asian school, it is not an Asian brand, it only has a subsidiary campus in Asia! Those who consider studying in INSEAD only in Singapore, without changing campuses, lose a great deal of their MBA experience. Yes, Singapore's campus may be (much?) weaker than French campus - but these campuses are not supposed to compete, but rather to supplement each other! If the person cannot derive the benefits INSEAD's initial idea offers (i.e. changing campuses and immersing in two cultural environments without leaving the same school), these are the problems of this person, not of INSEAD's Singapore campus. Having said this, I repeat that INSEAD is not an Asian school and should not be treated as such. It does not compete with HKUST. Those who see these schools as competitors, do not really understand what is MBA and what to do with this MBA degree when they graduate.

Now, whether I considered INSEAD (or INSEAD Singapore, if you wish) for my MBA course. Yes I did. I wrote my admission essays, I have sent my GMAT and TOEFL scores to INSEAD, but finally I did not submit the application because I was not sure whether INSEAD is the right place for my furhter career.

Consider two following (in my opinion, same level of complexity/achievements) profiles:

Profile A: Master degree in International Business in the USA, 4 years of work experience in international trade in Morocco, literacy in English, French, Spanish.

Profile B: Master degree in Asian Studies in Europe, 4 years of general management of SME in Southeast Asia, literacy in Russian, English, Thai, Arabic, Japanese

Which MBA degree - INSEAD's or HKUST's - would benefit each profile better (assume, the quality of teaching and other services are the same - which, in my opinion, is a fair assumption)? Clearly, for the Profile A INSEAD would make more sense, while for the Profile B HKUST would provide a stronger career push. If you put the Profile A person in HKUST, it wouldn't be the right match regardless how great HKUST is. If you put the Profile B person to INSEAD, it would benefit from it, but not to such an extend as it would have benefited from HKUST.

This is the answer to the question whether I considered INSEAD. I am the Profile B person (in fact, this was precise description of my profile), and I am targeting to position myself on the job market as a professional on Asian business. With all respect to INSEAD, her Asian Business courses are incomparable to (= they are much less valuable than) the experience I would get from HKUST's MBA with China Business concentration + MBA International Exchange Programme to Indian School of Business. As a professional on Asian business, HKUST option will provide me with business network in Asia/China, while International Exchange in ISB would provide me with a network in Asia/India. Now, what would I get from INSEAD France+Singapore? A branded MBA, a global network, and an additional exposure to Southeast Asia - where I have already spent five years of my life. Which option is better for me? Clearly the HKUST+ISB one. Which option would be better for Profile A person? Clearly INSEAD.

Now, about the brand. Some INSEAD people here say that HKUST is a joke, while INSEAD brand name will take you to the paradise. Well... Do you know how many people graduate each year from the world top MBA programmes like INSEAD, LBS, HBS etc? Each programme recruites sometime like 500 students in average, there are 20 programmes like that in the word, which results in 10'000 graduates every year. At least 10'000 - some schools, like INSEAD, have two batches every year. Do you think your branded MBA alone is enough? Nope, don't think so. You have to have something besides of MBA. In fact, the things "besides of MBA" matter much more than MBA itself. You have to have some other competitive advantage on the market. I do have it - see above. And I will be able to prove it to the employer. I also assure you that not all students of the top MBA programmes in the world have this advantage... Regarding the brand, yes, if you go to a school which is completely unknown to anybody, you run into the problems. In fact, this was the reason why I dropped the Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business in Shanghai - with really strong programme and really good everything, it completely lacked the brand, and I didn't want to take so much risk. For HKUST this is not a problem - it was consistantly ranked in Financial Times MBA (between N40 and N50 in the world), Financial Times EMBA (top5 in the world), the Economist Intellegence Unit MBA (the ranking goes up for three years, N20 in the world now), and the MBA programme executives realize that international brand is a weak point of the programme and they are working on that. Okay, HKUST is not something what everybody knows, but it has a background for me to convince my future employer that HKUST is not a joke.

To summarize this long story, before chosing the MBA school, think about how this MBA brand will match the rest of your profile, and what this particular MBA brand will contribute to your future apart from the brand. Rankings show you the schools which are worth to consider. But the difference between N1 and N30 is not that huge - other factors, like career fit and future plans, may easily outweight the ranking superiority. MBA is not a certification like CPA, it is an experience, one of the major experiences of your professional life. Focus first on your future programme, and only then on the brand it has.

what is Insead's reputation on HK UST's campus?

I haven't heard people referring to INSEAD over here. And it's understandable - HKUST is an Asian-focus school, while INSEAD is not. People here are focusing on Asia, and their competitors are CEIBS, HKU, NUS, and other similar guys, rather than INSEAD.

<blockquote>at the latest communist party congress, Hu Jintao basically pounded the table on shift into science and tech and how that is the priority for China in the next 5-10 years. any talk at Hong Kong USt of additional funding they will be receiving? I would think Tsinghua and HK UST should do well in terms of government subsidies in the next decade or so. whats your point of view on that?</blockquote>
HKUST has an extremely powerful sponsor in Hong Kong - The Hong Kong Jockey Club. It much more powerful and able than the government subsidies may be. Since my first degree is Natural Science, I could not resist to have a look on the facilities and publications in my former area of interest in HKUST. I assure you, the facilities and research here are world level already. Additional government subsidies perpahs would do good things, no doubts, but HKUST is not a poor school begging for money. Besides, the government subsidies will not affect MBA programme too much - this programme financially self-containing, plus there are good sponsors as well.

<blockquote>whats your personal viewpoint on the battle for #1 in Asia Insead and Hong Kong USt? have you considered Insead in your selection process.</blockquote>
Regarding "who is N1 in Asia - INSEAD Singapore or HKUST" - I already told my opinion on this forum. Clearly: THESE SCHOOLS ARE NOT TOO BE COMPARED AT ALL. Or, if you insist :), HKUST IS CLEAR N1 IN ASIA BECAUSE INSEAD IS NOT AN ASIAN SCHOOL. Comparing HKUST with INSEAD is like comparing Toronto Maple Leafs National Hockey league club with Arsenal Premier League football club.

To support my opinion, I want to refer to the post by the user called "insead_mba" (http://find-mba.com/board/4345/2), who absolutely correctly says that it is wrong to separate INSEAD into France and Singapore, and that there is no strong Asian focus in INSEAD Singapore. INSEAD is not an Asian school. The Singapore campus was established not in order to become a separate Asian-focused institution under INSEAD brand, but to give the INSEAD students exposure to Asia. INSEAD Singapore does not have its own admission - all admission decisions are done in France. The correct way to look at INSEAD would be that it is a European school with a subsidiary campus in Asia. That's it. I don't understand why people mix INSEAD SIngapore here - it is not an Asia-focused school, it is not an Asian school, it is not an Asian brand, it only has a subsidiary campus in Asia! Those who consider studying in INSEAD only in Singapore, without changing campuses, lose a great deal of their MBA experience. Yes, Singapore's campus may be (much?) weaker than French campus - but these campuses are not supposed to compete, but rather to supplement each other! If the person cannot derive the benefits INSEAD's initial idea offers (i.e. changing campuses and immersing in two cultural environments without leaving the same school), these are the problems of this person, not of INSEAD's Singapore campus. Having said this, I repeat that INSEAD is not an Asian school and should not be treated as such. It does not compete with HKUST. Those who see these schools as competitors, do not really understand what is MBA and what to do with this MBA degree when they graduate.

Now, whether I considered INSEAD (or INSEAD Singapore, if you wish) for my MBA course. Yes I did. I wrote my admission essays, I have sent my GMAT and TOEFL scores to INSEAD, but finally I did not submit the application because I was not sure whether INSEAD is the right place for my furhter career.

Consider two following (in my opinion, same level of complexity/achievements) profiles:

Profile A: Master degree in International Business in the USA, 4 years of work experience in international trade in Morocco, literacy in English, French, Spanish.

Profile B: Master degree in Asian Studies in Europe, 4 years of general management of SME in Southeast Asia, literacy in Russian, English, Thai, Arabic, Japanese

Which MBA degree - INSEAD's or HKUST's - would benefit each profile better (assume, the quality of teaching and other services are the same - which, in my opinion, is a fair assumption)? Clearly, for the Profile A INSEAD would make more sense, while for the Profile B HKUST would provide a stronger career push. If you put the Profile A person in HKUST, it wouldn't be the right match regardless how great HKUST is. If you put the Profile B person to INSEAD, it would benefit from it, but not to such an extend as it would have benefited from HKUST.

This is the answer to the question whether I considered INSEAD. I am the Profile B person (in fact, this was precise description of my profile), and I am targeting to position myself on the job market as a professional on Asian business. With all respect to INSEAD, her Asian Business courses are incomparable to (= they are much less valuable than) the experience I would get from HKUST's MBA with China Business concentration + MBA International Exchange Programme to Indian School of Business. As a professional on Asian business, HKUST option will provide me with business network in Asia/China, while International Exchange in ISB would provide me with a network in Asia/India. Now, what would I get from INSEAD France+Singapore? A branded MBA, a global network, and an additional exposure to Southeast Asia - where I have already spent five years of my life. Which option is better for me? Clearly the HKUST+ISB one. Which option would be better for Profile A person? Clearly INSEAD.

Now, about the brand. Some INSEAD people here say that HKUST is a joke, while INSEAD brand name will take you to the paradise. Well... Do you know how many people graduate each year from the world top MBA programmes like INSEAD, LBS, HBS etc? Each programme recruites sometime like 500 students in average, there are 20 programmes like that in the word, which results in 10'000 graduates every year. At least 10'000 - some schools, like INSEAD, have two batches every year. Do you think your branded MBA alone is enough? Nope, don't think so. You have to have something besides of MBA. In fact, the things "besides of MBA" matter much more than MBA itself. You have to have some other competitive advantage on the market. I do have it - see above. And I will be able to prove it to the employer. I also assure you that not all students of the top MBA programmes in the world have this advantage... Regarding the brand, yes, if you go to a school which is completely unknown to anybody, you run into the problems. In fact, this was the reason why I dropped the Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business in Shanghai - with really strong programme and really good everything, it completely lacked the brand, and I didn't want to take so much risk. For HKUST this is not a problem - it was consistantly ranked in Financial Times MBA (between N40 and N50 in the world), Financial Times EMBA (top5 in the world), the Economist Intellegence Unit MBA (the ranking goes up for three years, N20 in the world now), and the MBA programme executives realize that international brand is a weak point of the programme and they are working on that. Okay, HKUST is not something what everybody knows, but it has a background for me to convince my future employer that HKUST is not a joke.

To summarize this long story, before chosing the MBA school, think about how this MBA brand will match the rest of your profile, and what this particular MBA brand will contribute to your future apart from the brand. Rankings show you the schools which are worth to consider. But the difference between N1 and N30 is not that huge - other factors, like career fit and future plans, may easily outweight the ranking superiority. MBA is not a certification like CPA, it is an experience, one of the major experiences of your professional life. Focus first on your future programme, and only then on the brand it has.

<blockquote>what is Insead's reputation on HK UST's campus?</blockquote>
I haven't heard people referring to INSEAD over here. And it's understandable - HKUST is an Asian-focus school, while INSEAD is not. People here are focusing on Asia, and their competitors are CEIBS, HKU, NUS, and other similar guys, rather than INSEAD.

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shawn.hk

22 44

Posted Nov 04, 2007 09:57

what is Insead's reputation on HK UST's campus?

<blockquote>what is Insead's reputation on HK UST's campus?</blockquote>
I haven't heard people referring to INSEAD over here. And it's understandable - HKUST is an Asian-focus school, while INSEAD is not. People here are focusing on Asia, and their competitors are CEIBS, HKU, NUS, and other similar guys, rather than INSEAD.</blockquote>

what would be your "unbiased" Asian MBA ranking?
top 5

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lupo7

3 6

Posted Nov 05, 2007 05:18

Is there anybody who knows about the MBA of hitotsubashi univ. in japan

I'm korean, not japanese

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vasilijs

19 38

Posted Nov 05, 2007 16:18

what would be your "unbiased" Asian MBA ranking? top 5

WWWWEEEEEELLLLLLLLL.............

I would better put the question this way: what is the way to form the Asian business schools in tiers? If so, here is my BIASED (sorry!) opinion:

BEST CHOICE (safe bet):
- Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
- Indian School of Business [note: I hope to go to ISB for exchange programme, so could say something more about it next year]

SECOND CHOICE (a kind off an acceptiable trade-off):
- National University of Singapore
- Nanyang Technological University
- Singapore Management University
- China Europe International Business School
- Hong Kong University
- Chinese University of Hong Kong
- Indian Institute of Management (Ahmedabad)
- Waseda University
- International University of Japan
- Beijing University (BIMBA)

THIRD CHOICE (think twice before go):
- Chulalongkorn University
- University of Malaya
- Malay Technological University
- Indian Institute of Management (apart from Ahmedabad)
- Asian Institute of Management (Philippines)
- Beijing University (Guanghua School of Business)
- Fudan University
- Tsinghua University
- Polythecnical University of Hong Kong

OTHER PROMISING SCHOOLS:
- Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business in Shanghai looks promising, but it is still a "baby".
- National Institute for Development and Administration in Bangkok seems to be more powerful in Thailand than Chulalongkorn (I spent four years in Thailand), but it has absolutely no brand abroad.

Sorry, I am not in a position to judge the Japanese and Korean MBA schools - some of them which are not in this list may be in the second and the third choice category. I am also unsure about the Middle East and third-choice Indian schools. As for Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, if the school is not in the list above, it is not worth international attention. Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Myanmar, Brunei, and Bangladesh don't have any MBA programmes worth attention either. Have no idea about Indonesia - it may have a representative in the third choice tier. As for China, the programmes are not up to level yet.

<blockquote>what would be your "unbiased" Asian MBA ranking? top 5</blockquote>
WWWWEEEEEELLLLLLLLL.............

I would better put the question this way: what is the way to form the Asian business schools in tiers? If so, here is my BIASED (sorry!) opinion:

BEST CHOICE (safe bet):
- Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
- Indian School of Business [note: I hope to go to ISB for exchange programme, so could say something more about it next year]

SECOND CHOICE (a kind off an acceptiable trade-off):
- National University of Singapore
- Nanyang Technological University
- Singapore Management University
- China Europe International Business School
- Hong Kong University
- Chinese University of Hong Kong
- Indian Institute of Management (Ahmedabad)
- Waseda University
- International University of Japan
- Beijing University (BIMBA)

THIRD CHOICE (think twice before go):
- Chulalongkorn University
- University of Malaya
- Malay Technological University
- Indian Institute of Management (apart from Ahmedabad)
- Asian Institute of Management (Philippines)
- Beijing University (Guanghua School of Business)
- Fudan University
- Tsinghua University
- Polythecnical University of Hong Kong

OTHER PROMISING SCHOOLS:
- Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business in Shanghai looks promising, but it is still a "baby".
- National Institute for Development and Administration in Bangkok seems to be more powerful in Thailand than Chulalongkorn (I spent four years in Thailand), but it has absolutely no brand abroad.

Sorry, I am not in a position to judge the Japanese and Korean MBA schools - some of them which are not in this list may be in the second and the third choice category. I am also unsure about the Middle East and third-choice Indian schools. As for Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, if the school is not in the list above, it is not worth international attention. Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Myanmar, Brunei, and Bangladesh don't have any MBA programmes worth attention either. Have no idea about Indonesia - it may have a representative in the third choice tier. As for China, the programmes are not up to level yet.

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shawn.hk

22 44

Posted Nov 07, 2007 08:37

I would be interested in your opinion on CEIBS versus Hong Kong UST.

Currently I am pretty sure that is the #1 question for American/European students looking at Asian/CHina related MBAs.

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vasilijs

19 38

Posted Nov 09, 2007 07:37

I would say, both these schools are lausy and good at the same extend. But CEIBS is well ranked in FT rank, which gives it an advantage. I would say, there is really no difference. I also would advise such people to look at the joint programme between the National University of Singapore and Bejing University - you spend one year in Singapore and one year in Bejing, and get two MBA diplomas. I did not like it because I already have enough of Asian experience, and I am looking for Asian experience + good school. For someone from Europe or US who has never been to Asia, 1 year in Singapore plus 1 year in Bejing with reasonable MBA courses will make much more benefits and open much more prespectives than either HKU or CEIBS.

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shawn.hk

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Posted Nov 09, 2007 08:38

I would say, both these schools are lausy and good at the same extend. But CEIBS is well ranked in FT rank, which gives it an advantage. I would say, there is really no difference. I also would advise such people to look at the joint programme between the National University of Singapore and Bejing University - you spend one year in Singapore and one year in Bejing, and get two MBA diplomas. I did not like it because I already have enough of Asian experience, and I am looking for Asian experience + good school. For someone from Europe or US who has never been to Asia, 1 year in Singapore plus 1 year in Bejing with reasonable MBA courses will make much more benefits and open much more prespectives than either HKU or CEIBS.

my ? was Hong Kong UST vs Ceibs not HKU.

<blockquote>I would say, both these schools are lausy and good at the same extend. But CEIBS is well ranked in FT rank, which gives it an advantage. I would say, there is really no difference. I also would advise such people to look at the joint programme between the National University of Singapore and Bejing University - you spend one year in Singapore and one year in Bejing, and get two MBA diplomas. I did not like it because I already have enough of Asian experience, and I am looking for Asian experience + good school. For someone from Europe or US who has never been to Asia, 1 year in Singapore plus 1 year in Bejing with reasonable MBA courses will make much more benefits and open much more prespectives than either HKU or CEIBS.</blockquote>

my ? was Hong Kong UST vs Ceibs not HKU.

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vasilijs

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Posted Nov 09, 2007 15:00

Sorry - did not read carefully... As for HKUST vs CEIBS, the former is incomparable to the latter. CEIBS should be compared to HKU, not to HKUST.

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virendra.b...

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Posted Jan 09, 2008 13:10

Hi ppl,
I am virendra frm India, studied computers (MCA), working in an IT MNC ( Accenture ) at Bangalore, interested in MBA.
I went through your responses at various discussion posts here.
I currently have 6 months work experience but plan to hold till I gain 3 yr. experience.
I plan to work in Asia region only (fastest growing & max. potenial continent economically) & prefer IT as the Industry.
Looking at this info could you please guide me a little about which schools would be best for me.

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madhu

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Posted Feb 01, 2008 10:56

Hi ppl,
I am virendra frm India, studied computers (MCA), working in an IT MNC ( Accenture ) at Bangalore, interested in MBA.
I went through your responses at various discussion posts here.
I currently have 6 months work experience but plan to hold till I gain 3 yr. experience.
I plan to work in Asia region only (fastest growing & max. potenial continent economically) & prefer IT as the Industry.
Looking at this info could you please guide me a little about which schools would be best for me.

hi, definitely look at Hkust, they are on a roll, top 20 ranking in Economist and Ft now.

<blockquote>Hi ppl,
I am virendra frm India, studied computers (MCA), working in an IT MNC ( Accenture ) at Bangalore, interested in MBA.
I went through your responses at various discussion posts here.
I currently have 6 months work experience but plan to hold till I gain 3 yr. experience.
I plan to work in Asia region only (fastest growing & max. potenial continent economically) & prefer IT as the Industry.
Looking at this info could you please guide me a little about which schools would be best for me. </blockquote>

hi, definitely look at Hkust, they are on a roll, top 20 ranking in Economist and Ft now.

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saneel

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Posted Mar 02, 2008 13:55

Hey guys!! we have been talking abt the programs and talking abt HKUST all this while. How abt CUHK ?? What are the prospects in terms of job as well as profile and standings in Asia?
I am keen to know abt it! Help me out!!

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hkumba

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Posted Mar 21, 2008 21:34

Hi All,

Many applicants of the HKU Full Time MBA programme have certain doubts and queries regarding the MBA programme. I think the below mentioned points will answer most of their queries:

In Education Experience, HKU MBA is ranked 2nd worldwide, ahead of many premier B Schools like Harvard, Kellogs, Wharton etc by the 2007 MBA ranking of Economist (EIU), one of the most respected and trusted MBA Rankings world wide. In the overall ranking the programme got 37th position worldwide...
Rest, it is the only Asian programme in the world to come in the top 50 positions of an MBA Ranking (MBA Ranking of the Economist) consistently for 3 years... Here I would also like to highlight the fact that the Full Time MBA programme of HKU is able to achieve this level of world recognition even when it is a very young programme of only ~ 6 years...

Rest, Please note: In the MBA rankings by Financial Times and Business Week, HKU is never rated because to participate in the MBA rankings of FT and BW, an MBA program must be at least 6 years old and HKU full time MBA being a very young programme will become 6 years old in this year only.

Now, the education experience is given such a high rank because :

1. HKU is one of the very few B Schools in the world to have a partnership with London Business School (LBS) and Columbia Business School (CBS) for a ?compulsory? exchange programme in which the students of HKU spend one full semester with the MBA/EMBA students of LBS/CBS as a part of their curriculum. This provides the students with strong networking and learning opportunities? Students who go to LBS are given alumni status of the London Business School (excluding the placement services from LBS). Students who go to CBS are provided with most of the services that are provided to a normal MBA/EMBA student of the B School?

2. Programme structure in which students spend 9 months in Hong Kong (one of the top 3 financial hubs in the world), 3 to 4 months either in London or New York (proper Manhattan) and then 2 months in Shanghai hence, providing opportunities of great international exposure?

3. Good Faculty? Ranked 16th by the Economist 2007 MBA Ranking Worldwide?

4. Good exposure of China, one of the biggest economic giants along with Europe/ US?

5. A good mix of international students? The current batch which has a class size of some 50 students have students from as much as 11 nationalities?

6. Average work experience of students is 5-6 years? This contributes well towards a mature class room discussion and understanding?

7. The MBA programme is a part of one of the most reputed universities worldwide: ?The University of Hong Kong? in short ?HKU?. HKU is the oldest university of Hong Kong and is ranked 18th worldwide by the THES-QS World University Rankings 2007? In other University rankings also HKU always come in the top 100 positions worldwide?

8. Small batch size of some 50 students leads to a greater students and faculty interactions?

9. Strong research centres focusing on Asian case studies and knowledge?

10. Being located in the main campus of University of Hong Kong, the students get full excess to all the facilities of the University Campus ranging from Main Library, Seminars and course enrolment in other University departments, University Festivals, Computer Facilities, Recreation Centres like Restaurants, Sports Complex etc?.

11. Accredited by EQUIS

12. Last but not least; the way the reputation of HKU Full Time MBA programme is rising, it is highly commendable? Even if it is a very young programme, of just ~ 6 years, it has attained a very respectable position at international level?

This was all about the brighter side of the programme?
Now, regarding the other side:

1. Now, about the most important part i.e. placements: One can?t expect as much luxury and benefits that one receives in premier Indian B Schools where 'On Campus' placements come as a major relief for most of the students. Like in most of the foreign B Schools, in HKU also mostly students have to go for 'Off Campus' placements. One should have good skills in Chinese especially if he/she wants to get a marketing job in Hong Kong...
But, the good news is that initially the number of placement councilors in HKU were just 2 but from this year their no is increased to 5. This increase has come as a major relief for the students during the placements.

2. The ROI (Return on Investment) takes some time ~2-3 years depending on the type of job a person gets as compared to the ROI from a premier Indian B School which takes ~ 1-2 year. This is because the total expenditure of HKU MBA is ~ 22 Lakhs in Indian National Rupees (including everything from fees, food, accomodation, travelling etc) as compared to an Indian B School which is ~ 7 Lakhs Indian National Rupees...
But, the good news is that as the HKU MBA programme is just of 14 months as compared to a conventional 22 month MBA programme of an Indian B School, a person is able to cover the ROI much earlier than expected?
Rest, in comparison to a good US or European B School programme, which costs around 35-40 lakhs Indian National Rupees, the net programme expenditure of HKU MBA is quite less: around 22 to 24 lakhs Indian National Rupees. Hence, the ROI from HKU is much faster as compared to the ROI from a programme of a US/ European B School...