MBA in Asia


ckman
Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business is considered a rising star in Chinese schools. They have about 40 faculties with 24 full time members. Most of the CKGSB faculties have taught in top US and European business schools including the likes of Chicago, Stanford, Wharton, UCLA, UC Berkeley, NYU, Insead, Carnegie Mellon, Rochester, Washington at St. Louis, Cornell, UC SD, Penn State, UNC Chapel Hill, Ohio State, LSE, UBC, Yale, and other schools.
In terms of faculty quality, this is the best school.

They have exchange programs with Insead, Columbia, UCLA, Darden, UC Berkeley, Carlson, IE, ISB, Waseda, SNU. It is also the most expensive schools in China with a tuition of 250,000 RMB. Here is their web page
www.ckgsb.edu.cn
Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business is considered a rising star in Chinese schools. They have about 40 faculties with 24 full time members. Most of the CKGSB faculties have taught in top US and European business schools including the likes of Chicago, Stanford, Wharton, UCLA, UC Berkeley, NYU, Insead, Carnegie Mellon, Rochester, Washington at St. Louis, Cornell, UC SD, Penn State, UNC Chapel Hill, Ohio State, LSE, UBC, Yale, and other schools.
In terms of faculty quality, this is the best school.

They have exchange programs with Insead, Columbia, UCLA, Darden, UC Berkeley, Carlson, IE, ISB, Waseda, SNU. It is also the most expensive schools in China with a tuition of 250,000 RMB. Here is their web page
www.ckgsb.edu.cn
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shawn.hk
Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business is considered a rising star in Chinese schools. They have about 40 faculties with 24 full time members. Most of the CKGSB faculties have taught in top US and European business schools including the likes of Chicago, Stanford, Wharton, UCLA, UC Berkeley, NYU, Insead, Carnegie Mellon, Rochester, Washington at St. Louis, Cornell, UC SD, Penn State, UNC Chapel Hill, Ohio State, LSE, UBC, Yale, and other schools.
In terms of faculty quality, this is the best school.

They have exchange programs with Insead, Columbia, UCLA, Darden, UC Berkeley, Carlson, IE, ISB, Waseda, SNU. It is also the most expensive schools in China with a tuition of 250,000 RMB. Here is their web page
www.ckgsb.edu.cn


i live in HK and literally have never heard of this school..
<blockquote>Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business is considered a rising star in Chinese schools. They have about 40 faculties with 24 full time members. Most of the CKGSB faculties have taught in top US and European business schools including the likes of Chicago, Stanford, Wharton, UCLA, UC Berkeley, NYU, Insead, Carnegie Mellon, Rochester, Washington at St. Louis, Cornell, UC SD, Penn State, UNC Chapel Hill, Ohio State, LSE, UBC, Yale, and other schools.
In terms of faculty quality, this is the best school.

They have exchange programs with Insead, Columbia, UCLA, Darden, UC Berkeley, Carlson, IE, ISB, Waseda, SNU. It is also the most expensive schools in China with a tuition of 250,000 RMB. Here is their web page
www.ckgsb.edu.cn</blockquote>

i live in HK and literally have never heard of this school..
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one comment about Philippines and India: I did an MBA at HKUST and know students from CEIBS, NUS, Indian MBAs, etc.

Based on my insight Indian MBAs are for Indians only (for now). As a foreigner you are a real outsider. Additionally Indian MBa students tend not to have a lot of work experience.
HKUST in comparison is more international than Columbia in NYC where I did my exchange. In Columbia everything was American, whereas at HKUST you get a true global mindset. UST has an inofficial policy to admit 1/3 Chinese, 1/3 non-Chinese Asians and 1/3 foreigners. And you bet that if you are within the frist two categories you have to be either very intelligent or already have some time abroad from your undergrad or work experience.


Hi! My advise for you, should you really want to take masters in management or masters in business administration in the Philippines, is to enroll in the Asian Institute of Management.

By far, it's ranked 3rd in Asia Pacific region by FT and Asiaweek Rankings -> http://www.careerdynamo.com/asia_mba.html. While universities and schools in Hong Kong are good, this is by far viewed as one ideal school to take in MBA in the Asia Pacific Region. You may check their site at www.aim.edu.ph to learn more about their programs.

Thanks. I hope this helps.
<blockquote>one comment about Philippines and India: I did an MBA at HKUST and know students from CEIBS, NUS, Indian MBAs, etc.

Based on my insight Indian MBAs are for Indians only (for now). As a foreigner you are a real outsider. Additionally Indian MBa students tend not to have a lot of work experience.
HKUST in comparison is more international than Columbia in NYC where I did my exchange. In Columbia everything was American, whereas at HKUST you get a true global mindset. UST has an inofficial policy to admit 1/3 Chinese, 1/3 non-Chinese Asians and 1/3 foreigners. And you bet that if you are within the frist two categories you have to be either very intelligent or already have some time abroad from your undergrad or work experience. </blockquote>

Hi! My advise for you, should you really want to take masters in management or masters in business administration in the Philippines, is to enroll in the Asian Institute of Management.

By far, it's ranked 3rd in Asia Pacific region by FT and Asiaweek Rankings -> http://www.careerdynamo.com/asia_mba.html. While universities and schools in Hong Kong are good, this is by far viewed as one ideal school to take in MBA in the Asia Pacific Region. You may check their site at www.aim.edu.ph to learn more about their programs.

Thanks. I hope this helps.
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shawn.hk
I would have to respectfully disagree, clearly the best b-schools in Asia are located in HK, as illustrated by the latest Economist ranking:

http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=2002rankings&rank_category_id=20000002&region_id=290000429&x=34&y=6

2007 rankings
Criteria: Overall rank
Region: Asia Rankings methodology
School Rank (out of 100)
Hong Kong University of Science and Technology -- School of Business and Management 20
Hong Kong, University of ? School of Business 37
Monash University?Graduate School of Business 43
Nanyang Technological University - Nanyang Business School 72
International University of Japan - Graduate School of International Management 77
Curtin University Graduate School of Business 80
Macquarie Graduate School of Management 84
China Europe International Business School (CEIBS) 90
Chinese University of Hong Kong 91
Indian Institute of Management - Ahmedabad 92
National University of Singapore--The NUS Business School 94
I would have to respectfully disagree, clearly the best b-schools in Asia are located in HK, as illustrated by the latest Economist ranking:

http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=2002rankings&rank_category_id=20000002&region_id=290000429&x=34&y=6

2007 rankings
Criteria: Overall rank
Region: Asia Rankings methodology
School Rank (out of 100)
Hong Kong University of Science and Technology -- School of Business and Management 20
Hong Kong, University of ? School of Business 37
Monash University?Graduate School of Business 43
Nanyang Technological University - Nanyang Business School 72
International University of Japan - Graduate School of International Management 77
Curtin University Graduate School of Business 80
Macquarie Graduate School of Management 84
China Europe International Business School (CEIBS) 90
Chinese University of Hong Kong 91
Indian Institute of Management - Ahmedabad 92
National University of Singapore--The NUS Business School 94

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ckman
I agree HKUST is now the best. However, CKGSM is moving up very fast. It is not in the rankings but look at the students and faculties they have. They are all a few notches above than their peers at HKUST
I agree HKUST is now the best. However, CKGSM is moving up very fast. It is not in the rankings but look at the students and faculties they have. They are all a few notches above than their peers at HKUST
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boots
I've noticed a very strong bias towards HK UST on this site that I haven't noticed anywhere else. I don't know if the bias is warranted or not. I have applied and would be very happy to get in, but, the vehemence with which it is promoted above other schools in the area (HKU and Insead) seems unfair. Plus, I am always a bit skeptical of too much promotion.

The one criticism I have heard most often about HKUST is that it is very local, not just in make up but in focus and direction as well. I live in HK now but perhaps will not spend most of my career here, is that an issue?

What about NUS? I have heard the most widely differing views on this school. Some have told me its the best in Asia, others that its not even worth applying to. Thoughts?
I've noticed a very strong bias towards HK UST on this site that I haven't noticed anywhere else. I don't know if the bias is warranted or not. I have applied and would be very happy to get in, but, the vehemence with which it is promoted above other schools in the area (HKU and Insead) seems unfair. Plus, I am always a bit skeptical of too much promotion.

The one criticism I have heard most often about HKUST is that it is very local, not just in make up but in focus and direction as well. I live in HK now but perhaps will not spend most of my career here, is that an issue?

What about NUS? I have heard the most widely differing views on this school. Some have told me its the best in Asia, others that its not even worth applying to. Thoughts?
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shawn.hk
I've noticed a very strong bias towards HK UST on this site that I haven't noticed anywhere else. I don't know if the bias is warranted or not. I have applied and would be very happy to get in, but, the vehemence with which it is promoted above other schools in the area (HKU and Insead) seems unfair. Plus, I am always a bit skeptical of too much promotion.

The one criticism I have heard most often about HKUST is that it is very local, not just in make up but in focus and direction as well. I live in HK now but perhaps will not spend most of my career here, is that an issue?

What about NUS? I have heard the most widely differing views on this school. Some have told me its the best in Asia, others that its not even worth applying to. Thoughts?


Insead Sinagpore yes, overall the best MBA one can get in Asia. NUS is definitely not worth applying to, unless you dont mind sitting in with 70% of your classmates being IT Indian students, all smart but there is no diversity whatsoever in that MBA program.
<blockquote>I've noticed a very strong bias towards HK UST on this site that I haven't noticed anywhere else. I don't know if the bias is warranted or not. I have applied and would be very happy to get in, but, the vehemence with which it is promoted above other schools in the area (HKU and Insead) seems unfair. Plus, I am always a bit skeptical of too much promotion.

The one criticism I have heard most often about HKUST is that it is very local, not just in make up but in focus and direction as well. I live in HK now but perhaps will not spend most of my career here, is that an issue?

What about NUS? I have heard the most widely differing views on this school. Some have told me its the best in Asia, others that its not even worth applying to. Thoughts?</blockquote>

Insead Sinagpore yes, overall the best MBA one can get in Asia. NUS is definitely not worth applying to, unless you dont mind sitting in with 70% of your classmates being IT Indian students, all smart but there is no diversity whatsoever in that MBA program.
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PoPo
It is like half the people (or one person with half the handles on this forum) is smoking crack. Constantly I hear how great the HKUST program is from these boards, other than this board, HKUST doesn't exist. I am even tempted to think that the moderator or owner of this site is a HKUST grad or something.

HKUST is the best school in Hong Kong for people that are stuck in Hong Kong. For a top candidate who is competitive for top bschools, HKUST is not a joke. Like many other bschools, it doesnt exist on the radar.

For anyone that is interested in how HKUST really fairs, go to bweek boards.


The economist rankings? Please...

the only rankings that have ever mattered is Bweek, US News and FT (supposedly the best for international rankings).


Comparing HKUST to INSEAD is an insult to INSEAD students. No offense, but almsot 20% of the class at INSEAD is accepted by the top 3 consulting firms in the world, these include McKinsey (the #1 ranked destination post-mba for top grads - except for Google this year). McKinsey recruits the most students (percentage wise and numbers ) from Harvard Business School and INSEAD. HKUST better than INSEAD? Fat chance. Please ask the same question in the businessweek boards, noone will even know what HKUST is.

I realize there are a shortage of choices in Asia, and HKUST makes for a very good regional program. But the only world reknown program in Asia is INSEAD. And anyone who tries to sell HKUST as a viable alternative is really smoking sometihng very magical.
It is like half the people (or one person with half the handles on this forum) is smoking crack. Constantly I hear how great the HKUST program is from these boards, other than this board, HKUST doesn't exist. I am even tempted to think that the moderator or owner of this site is a HKUST grad or something.

HKUST is the best school in Hong Kong for people that are stuck in Hong Kong. For a top candidate who is competitive for top bschools, HKUST is not a joke. Like many other bschools, it doesnt exist on the radar.

For anyone that is interested in how HKUST really fairs, go to bweek boards.


The economist rankings? Please...

the only rankings that have ever mattered is Bweek, US News and FT (supposedly the best for international rankings).


Comparing HKUST to INSEAD is an insult to INSEAD students. No offense, but almsot 20% of the class at INSEAD is accepted by the top 3 consulting firms in the world, these include McKinsey (the #1 ranked destination post-mba for top grads - except for Google this year). McKinsey recruits the most students (percentage wise and numbers ) from Harvard Business School and INSEAD. HKUST better than INSEAD? Fat chance. Please ask the same question in the businessweek boards, noone will even know what HKUST is.

I realize there are a shortage of choices in Asia, and HKUST makes for a very good regional program. But the only world reknown program in Asia is INSEAD. And anyone who tries to sell HKUST as a viable alternative is really smoking sometihng very magical.
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shawn.hk
Just by looking how defensive and emotional you got in your comparison of INSEAD and HK UST is telling me that the latter is much better than you say it is.

Also, an argument can be made that comparing INSEAD and HK UST is an insult to HK UST students, at executive level that certainly is true as many "power brokers" in Asia go through the EMBA program at HK UST and INSEAD is nowhere to be seen at that level.

personally i'm very glad to see HK becoming the center for Business education in Asia. HK UST is on its way to becoming a top school and HKU and now CUHK are not far behind.
Just by looking how defensive and emotional you got in your comparison of INSEAD and HK UST is telling me that the latter is much better than you say it is.

Also, an argument can be made that comparing INSEAD and HK UST is an insult to HK UST students, at executive level that certainly is true as many "power brokers" in Asia go through the EMBA program at HK UST and INSEAD is nowhere to be seen at that level.

personally i'm very glad to see HK becoming the center for Business education in Asia. HK UST is on its way to becoming a top school and HKU and now CUHK are not far behind.



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Malia
Also, an argument can be made that comparing INSEAD and HK UST is an insult to HK UST students...


Come on Shawn, that's just ridiculous. I think there has been enough cheap propaganda for HKUST in this board for the next years. Your way of spelling HK UST makes me believe you are the same person like Globetraveller, copernicus and AnalystNYC who have been suspiciously active in pushing this school. Let's talk about something else.
<blockquote>Also, an argument can be made that comparing INSEAD and HK UST is an insult to HK UST students...
</blockquote>

Come on Shawn, that's just ridiculous. I think there has been enough cheap propaganda for HKUST in this board for the next years. Your way of spelling HK UST makes me believe you are the same person like Globetraveller, copernicus and AnalystNYC who have been suspiciously active in pushing this school. Let's talk about something else.
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PoPo
Yeh right.

So if a few pple said a toyota was comparable to a porsche, and then a person came to says that whoever saw that the toyota and porsche were comparable is stupid, therefore Toyota is truly the superior car? Uh huh...and how did you do on the critical reasoning section of the GMAT?

Again, please go over to bweek boards and ask if the two schools are comparable. I ain't asking you to take my word for it, but it is clear that their is a definite bias on this forum in favor of HKUST. If anything, the constant comparison between HKUST to INSEAD on this forum and the constant echoing of how great HKUST is (especially in "finance") is more fitting with your analogy.

I only speak in step with the general consensus. Don't believe me, fine. Take it to bweek boards, HKUST will get laughed off the forum.
Yeh right.

So if a few pple said a toyota was comparable to a porsche, and then a person came to says that whoever saw that the toyota and porsche were comparable is stupid, therefore Toyota is truly the superior car? Uh huh...and how did you do on the critical reasoning section of the GMAT?

Again, please go over to bweek boards and ask if the two schools are comparable. I ain't asking you to take my word for it, but it is clear that their is a definite bias on this forum in favor of HKUST. If anything, the constant comparison between HKUST to INSEAD on this forum and the constant echoing of how great HKUST is (especially in "finance") is more fitting with your analogy.

I only speak in step with the general consensus. Don't believe me, fine. Take it to bweek boards, HKUST will get laughed off the forum.
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shawn.hk
Also, an argument can be made that comparing INSEAD and HK UST is an insult to HK UST students...


Come on Shawn, that's just ridiculous. I think there has been enough cheap propaganda for HKUST in this board for the next years. Your way of spelling HK UST makes me believe you are the same person like Globetraveller, copernicus and AnalystNYC who have been suspiciously active in pushing this school. Let's talk about something else.


please take some time in the future to quote the whole thing...

EMBA and executive education thats what I wrote I believe.

INSEAD alumnis looking for conspiracies where there are none....
<blockquote><blockquote>Also, an argument can be made that comparing INSEAD and HK UST is an insult to HK UST students...
</blockquote>

Come on Shawn, that's just ridiculous. I think there has been enough cheap propaganda for HKUST in this board for the next years. Your way of spelling HK UST makes me believe you are the same person like Globetraveller, copernicus and AnalystNYC who have been suspiciously active in pushing this school. Let's talk about something else.</blockquote>

please take some time in the future to quote the whole thing...

EMBA and executive education thats what I wrote I believe.

INSEAD alumnis looking for conspiracies where there are none....
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PoPo
Yes, it's an imaginary conspiracy.

The constant posts by Globetraveller and Copernicus about how great HKUST "really" is and how we all really been disillusioned about INSEAD and all the rest in HK.

How bout we make a wild bet that HKUST EMBA will get knocked off the top spot in EMBA's this year in the coming FT rankings.

Here is my suggestion. Go look through the resume book of the HKUST's MBA students, then take a look at INSEAD's. Comparable? Nope.

As for your emba quote. That's great. Well, you know what, university of Florida has the best beaches around it, so why don;t you go there. This is a FIND MBA forum, not EMBA. And most people are here talking about MBA's (no "E," get it?).
Yes, it's an imaginary conspiracy.

The constant posts by Globetraveller and Copernicus about how great HKUST "really" is and how we all really been disillusioned about INSEAD and all the rest in HK.

How bout we make a wild bet that HKUST EMBA will get knocked off the top spot in EMBA's this year in the coming FT rankings.

Here is my suggestion. Go look through the resume book of the HKUST's MBA students, then take a look at INSEAD's. Comparable? Nope.

As for your emba quote. That's great. Well, you know what, university of Florida has the best beaches around it, so why don;t you go there. This is a FIND MBA forum, not EMBA. And most people are here talking about MBA's (no "E," get it?).
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It's not fair to suspect that shawn.hk is the same person as Globetraveler and Copernicus. His posts have not nearly been as one-sided and biased towards HKUST as the ones I remember from Globetraveler and Copernicus.

PoPo is right that INSEAD is the best brand in Asia as far as (international) job prospects for MBA grads are concerned, but on the other hand it's true that HKUST has had very good ratings for its executive programs in the last years. We shouldn't limit the discussion to non-executive MBA programs as there are quite a few people here searching for EMBA programs as well.
It's not fair to suspect that shawn.hk is the same person as Globetraveler and Copernicus. His posts have not nearly been as one-sided and biased towards HKUST as the ones I remember from Globetraveler and Copernicus.

PoPo is right that INSEAD is the best brand in Asia as far as (international) job prospects for MBA grads are concerned, but on the other hand it's true that HKUST has had very good ratings for its executive programs in the last years. We shouldn't limit the discussion to non-executive MBA programs as there are quite a few people here searching for EMBA programs as well.
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shawn.hk
Yes, it's an imaginary conspiracy.

The constant posts by Globetraveller and Copernicus about how great HKUST "really" is and how we all really been disillusioned about INSEAD and all the rest in HK.

How bout we make a wild bet that HKUST EMBA will get knocked off the top spot in EMBA's this year in the coming FT rankings.

Here is my suggestion. Go look through the resume book of the HKUST's MBA students, then take a look at INSEAD's. Comparable? Nope.

As for your emba quote. That's great. Well, you know what, university of Florida has the best beaches around it, so why don;t you go there. This is a FIND MBA forum, not EMBA. And most people are here talking about MBA's (no "E," get it?).


regarding the resumes, that would certainly be interesting, however is that public accessible information?
<blockquote>Yes, it's an imaginary conspiracy.

The constant posts by Globetraveller and Copernicus about how great HKUST "really" is and how we all really been disillusioned about INSEAD and all the rest in HK.

How bout we make a wild bet that HKUST EMBA will get knocked off the top spot in EMBA's this year in the coming FT rankings.

Here is my suggestion. Go look through the resume book of the HKUST's MBA students, then take a look at INSEAD's. Comparable? Nope.

As for your emba quote. That's great. Well, you know what, university of Florida has the best beaches around it, so why don;t you go there. This is a FIND MBA forum, not EMBA. And most people are here talking about MBA's (no "E," get it?).</blockquote>

regarding the resumes, that would certainly be interesting, however is that public accessible information?
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boots
Frankly I appreciate the current debate. This seems to be a more honest exchange of ideas than what previously seemed like a bizzare anointing of HKUST as the best Asian MBA.

The fact is that we really can't get an objective view of most of these schools, they're too new to be really comparable. However, the fact that we're all online discussing them indicates that we have made a decision to attend an Asian business school and have our own reasons why. By their nature, all of our opinions will be subjective but that is more revealing than any impersonal ranking system.

However, if we merely get into a simplistic ranking method ourselves (HKUST is best! no its not!) then we don't really share anything. I can say that for myself, Insead seems ideal. However, it seems ideal for me based on what I'm looking for, not because I heard it was ranked higher than the others. I want to know more about the others though.

HKUST, HKU, NUS, CEIBS? What do you think of their faculty? Their research? Their career services? Your fellow classmates? These are the things I'd like to learn from people that know, not simple "1. 2. 3." If we can't make a decision based on rankings (because most of the time they're non-nonsensical) maybe we can help eachother with actual personal insight?
Frankly I appreciate the current debate. This seems to be a more honest exchange of ideas than what previously seemed like a bizzare anointing of HKUST as the best Asian MBA.

The fact is that we really can't get an objective view of most of these schools, they're too new to be really comparable. However, the fact that we're all online discussing them indicates that we have made a decision to attend an Asian business school and have our own reasons why. By their nature, all of our opinions will be subjective but that is more revealing than any impersonal ranking system.

However, if we merely get into a simplistic ranking method ourselves (HKUST is best! no its not!) then we don't really share anything. I can say that for myself, Insead seems ideal. However, it seems ideal for me based on what I'm looking for, not because I heard it was ranked higher than the others. I want to know more about the others though.

HKUST, HKU, NUS, CEIBS? What do you think of their faculty? Their research? Their career services? Your fellow classmates? These are the things I'd like to learn from people that know, not simple "1. 2. 3." If we can't make a decision based on rankings (because most of the time they're non-nonsensical) maybe we can help eachother with actual personal insight?

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shawn.hk
Frankly I appreciate the current debate. This seems to be a more honest exchange of ideas than what previously seemed like a bizzare anointing of HKUST as the best Asian MBA.

The fact is that we really can't get an objective view of most of these schools, they're too new to be really comparable. However, the fact that we're all online discussing them indicates that we have made a decision to attend an Asian business school and have our own reasons why. By their nature, all of our opinions will be subjective but that is more revealing than any impersonal ranking system.

However, if we merely get into a simplistic ranking method ourselves (HKUST is best! no its not!) then we don't really share anything. I can say that for myself, Insead seems ideal. However, it seems ideal for me based on what I'm looking for, not because I heard it was ranked higher than the others. I want to know more about the others though.

HKUST, HKU, NUS, CEIBS? What do you think of their faculty? Their research? Their career services? Your fellow classmates? These are the things I'd like to learn from people that know, not simple "1. 2. 3." If we can't make a decision based on rankings (because most of the time they're non-nonsensical) maybe we can help eachother with actual personal insight?



faculty and research for any school is easy to get because its always posted. I think the way to do it is to set up a spreadsheet for each school and then just put in PHD program names and start adding, when you compare that it should be easy to spot the faculty with the best "pedigree"
then you go further, find out a relevant study or journal for the department and check the subject area rankings, there is one for everything, from acccounting to management...

NUS has two nice niche concentrations - healthcare and real estate, but it is "notorious" for having an abnormally large Indian student intake, also SMU Singapore Management U, is going to be the B-school of the future in Singapore, outside of Insead of course.

CEIBS grossly over-rated. I advise you strongly to do extra due dilligence when considering that school.

HKU is a relatively new program, and right now lacking in elective choices and career services needs a long way to develop. long term better potential than CUHK.

CUHK similiar to HKU. The name will not land you many jobs outside of HK/China. Faculty better than at HKU though, career services also.

HKUST is excellent in my opinion, outside of INSEAD clear #2 in Asia, but I will leave it at that, not sure why, but that name seems to generate emotional responses around here.
<blockquote>Frankly I appreciate the current debate. This seems to be a more honest exchange of ideas than what previously seemed like a bizzare anointing of HKUST as the best Asian MBA.

The fact is that we really can't get an objective view of most of these schools, they're too new to be really comparable. However, the fact that we're all online discussing them indicates that we have made a decision to attend an Asian business school and have our own reasons why. By their nature, all of our opinions will be subjective but that is more revealing than any impersonal ranking system.

However, if we merely get into a simplistic ranking method ourselves (HKUST is best! no its not!) then we don't really share anything. I can say that for myself, Insead seems ideal. However, it seems ideal for me based on what I'm looking for, not because I heard it was ranked higher than the others. I want to know more about the others though.

HKUST, HKU, NUS, CEIBS? What do you think of their faculty? Their research? Their career services? Your fellow classmates? These are the things I'd like to learn from people that know, not simple "1. 2. 3." If we can't make a decision based on rankings (because most of the time they're non-nonsensical) maybe we can help eachother with actual personal insight?

</blockquote>

faculty and research for any school is easy to get because its always posted. I think the way to do it is to set up a spreadsheet for each school and then just put in PHD program names and start adding, when you compare that it should be easy to spot the faculty with the best "pedigree"
then you go further, find out a relevant study or journal for the department and check the subject area rankings, there is one for everything, from acccounting to management...

NUS has two nice niche concentrations - healthcare and real estate, but it is "notorious" for having an abnormally large Indian student intake, also SMU Singapore Management U, is going to be the B-school of the future in Singapore, outside of Insead of course.

CEIBS grossly over-rated. I advise you strongly to do extra due dilligence when considering that school.

HKU is a relatively new program, and right now lacking in elective choices and career services needs a long way to develop. long term better potential than CUHK.

CUHK similiar to HKU. The name will not land you many jobs outside of HK/China. Faculty better than at HKU though, career services also.

HKUST is excellent in my opinion, outside of INSEAD clear #2 in Asia, but I will leave it at that, not sure why, but that name seems to generate emotional responses around here.


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boots
Not surprised about your NUS comments. I hadn't been hearing great things from most people actually. However a colleague of mine recommended it above everywhere else. He's from Mumbai and it probably has a great reputation there.

HKU's partnerships with LBS and CBS are exciting to me. For me that seems like a serious endorsement of the program though maybe its reputation hasn't caught up?

CEIBS i recognize as overrated, there is no way its in the top ten in the world, which is just silly, but it seems like a professional and well run program. It's also, relatively, an older and established program, no?

I'd love to put HK UST as my number 2. I'm just worried by its strong local / Chinese focus. CEIBS as the same issue of course, but at least its high ranking should help getting out of China if I want to.
Not surprised about your NUS comments. I hadn't been hearing great things from most people actually. However a colleague of mine recommended it above everywhere else. He's from Mumbai and it probably has a great reputation there.

HKU's partnerships with LBS and CBS are exciting to me. For me that seems like a serious endorsement of the program though maybe its reputation hasn't caught up?

CEIBS i recognize as overrated, there is no way its in the top ten in the world, which is just silly, but it seems like a professional and well run program. It's also, relatively, an older and established program, no?

I'd love to put HK UST as my number 2. I'm just worried by its strong local / Chinese focus. CEIBS as the same issue of course, but at least its high ranking should help getting out of China if I want to.

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shawn.hk
Not surprised about your NUS comments. I hadn't been hearing great things from most people actually. However a colleague of mine recommended it above everywhere else. He's from Mumbai and it probably has a great reputation there.

HKU's partnerships with LBS and CBS are exciting to me. For me that seems like a serious endorsement of the program though maybe its reputation hasn't caught up?

CEIBS i recognize as overrated, there is no way its in the top ten in the world, which is just silly, but it seems like a professional and well run program. It's also, relatively, an older and established program, no?

I'd love to put HK UST as my number 2. I'm just worried by its strong local / Chinese focus. CEIBS as the same issue of course, but at least its high ranking should help getting out of China if I want to.



depends on which rankings you look at. FT for sure CEIBS scores well, but in the Economist one they barely made it to the top 100. I think the issue of being "strong local/Chinese focus" is much more true for CEIBS than it is for HKUST. As for HKU yes those partnerships are promising, but when you look more closely, its nothing more than an exchange program that you can also get at CEIBS HKUST and NUS.

As far as "getting out of China" and these schools' reputation, none of them will get you far in the US or Europe. You can not do well just by going for an MBA in Asia and coming back to US/Europe right away. The key is to get the right job in Asia post graduation, spend few years here, HK or Singapore, and then go back with experience.

There are stories however of people being able to go back right away for Analyst (Asian focused) positions with investment management and hedge funds in NYC and London, but these are far in between.
<blockquote>Not surprised about your NUS comments. I hadn't been hearing great things from most people actually. However a colleague of mine recommended it above everywhere else. He's from Mumbai and it probably has a great reputation there.

HKU's partnerships with LBS and CBS are exciting to me. For me that seems like a serious endorsement of the program though maybe its reputation hasn't caught up?

CEIBS i recognize as overrated, there is no way its in the top ten in the world, which is just silly, but it seems like a professional and well run program. It's also, relatively, an older and established program, no?

I'd love to put HK UST as my number 2. I'm just worried by its strong local / Chinese focus. CEIBS as the same issue of course, but at least its high ranking should help getting out of China if I want to.

</blockquote>

depends on which rankings you look at. FT for sure CEIBS scores well, but in the Economist one they barely made it to the top 100. I think the issue of being "strong local/Chinese focus" is much more true for CEIBS than it is for HKUST. As for HKU yes those partnerships are promising, but when you look more closely, its nothing more than an exchange program that you can also get at CEIBS HKUST and NUS.

As far as "getting out of China" and these schools' reputation, none of them will get you far in the US or Europe. You can not do well just by going for an MBA in Asia and coming back to US/Europe right away. The key is to get the right job in Asia post graduation, spend few years here, HK or Singapore, and then go back with experience.

There are stories however of people being able to go back right away for Analyst (Asian focused) positions with investment management and hedge funds in NYC and London, but these are far in between.

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shawn.hk

How bout we make a wild bet that HKUST EMBA will get knocked off the top spot in EMBA's this year in the coming FT rankings.



you must be damn glad for not making that bet with me.
Hong Kong UST #1 in the latest FT ranking, absolutely kicking ass in terms of salaries.

I'm sorry but you INSEAD guys need to accept the fact that Hong Kong UST is a contender in the Full time MBA category, and on EMBA level it absolutely kicks ass with many of Asia's power brokers graduating from that program.

http://rankings.ft.com/emba-rankings
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How bout we make a wild bet that HKUST EMBA will get knocked off the top spot in EMBA's this year in the coming FT rankings.

</blockquote>

you must be damn glad for not making that bet with me.
Hong Kong UST #1 in the latest FT ranking, absolutely kicking ass in terms of salaries.

I'm sorry but you INSEAD guys need to accept the fact that Hong Kong UST is a contender in the Full time MBA category, and on EMBA level it absolutely kicks ass with many of Asia's power brokers graduating from that program.

http://rankings.ft.com/emba-rankings

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