INSEAD Singapore VS Hong Kong UST


lukeh
Oh, sure, that makes sense. I suppose Mandarin is the issue (and one which for some reason had slipped my mind). Although it would be a great opportunity to learn!
Oh, sure, that makes sense. I suppose Mandarin is the issue (and one which for some reason had slipped my mind). Although it would be a great opportunity to learn!
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Malia
CEIBS is on its way to become the top bschool in Asia:

Chinese business school wins top-10 FT ranking
2009-02-03

THE China-Europe International Business School has become the first business school in Asia to make the Financial Times' top-10 MBA programs since the newspaper started ranking programs a decade ago.

The Shanghai-based school came eighth in the top-100 list of full-time global Master of Business Administration programs, up from 11th place last year.

CEIBS graduates' salaries increase by an average of 179 percent in three years after graduation, the highest pay rise among the schools listed, according an FT survey....

... Three Asian schools, two in China and one in India, feature in the top 20 of the FT rankings this year.

Hong Kong UST Business School is ranked 16th, up from 17th last year.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2009/200902/20090203/article_389693.htm

FT ranking: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-rankings
CEIBS is on its way to become the top bschool in Asia:

Chinese business school wins top-10 FT ranking
2009-02-03

THE China-Europe International Business School has become the first business school in Asia to make the Financial Times' top-10 MBA programs since the newspaper started ranking programs a decade ago.

The Shanghai-based school came eighth in the top-100 list of full-time global Master of Business Administration programs, up from 11th place last year.

CEIBS graduates' salaries increase by an average of 179 percent in three years after graduation, the highest pay rise among the schools listed, according an FT survey....

... Three Asian schools, two in China and one in India, feature in the top 20 of the FT rankings this year.

Hong Kong UST Business School is ranked 16th, up from 17th last year.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2009/200902/20090203/article_389693.htm

FT ranking: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-rankings
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livorno_1
Oh, sure, that makes sense. I suppose Mandarin is the issue (and one which for some reason had slipped my mind). Although it would be a great opportunity to learn!


in the process of applying to both, anyone else?
<blockquote>Oh, sure, that makes sense. I suppose Mandarin is the issue (and one which for some reason had slipped my mind). Although it would be a great opportunity to learn!</blockquote>

in the process of applying to both, anyone else?
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WD40
It is quite disappointing to see this discussion forum, how uninformed some individuals are about schools. This is especially with the earlier posters on this forum trying to even compare INSEAD with HKUST which is the ultimate insult for someone who is both a graduate of Wharton and INSEAD. Firstly, INSEAD is not an Asian school, it merely has a campus in Singapore. Neither is it a French school as it is not part of the local education system and cannot be benchmarked with domestic players.
There have been quite honestly, some ignorant questioners that furbish irrelevant facts about how much better HKUST is relative to INSEAD or some other school, in terms of finance. Please go to our faculty listing and check out some of the movers and shakers there. It is also a complete joke that someone suggested we have only 3 finance professors in Singapore. They are right in that there are only 3 finance professors for the 100+ MBA students. FOr the EMBA, there would others. And many others for research - on the Sing campus alone. That is quite asinine from someone applying to an MBA programme. An good MBA programme exists for one purpose only, to make good people better. And to make naturally leaders better at leading. An MBA like INSEAD or Wharton do not have the mission of churning out finance junkies or whatnot. For that, you can just read a text book or something. It is the quality of the experience and your classmates that determines the programme's standing. It is also an environment which allows you to grow and self-reflect - the two most important aspects of developing inherent leadership. Some of the ignorant will believe that a finance course is more important than the behavioural org classes that focus on leadership. Ask yourself if you belong to such a group. Programmes like Wharton and INSEAD both have dedicated finance programmes, and I have my doubts as to whether HKUST finance junkies on this board could even survive at our MS programmes for a semester. Back to the point, if an MBA programme is really only about experience and the cohort, I would have to say that INSEAD is probably lightyears ahead of HKUST in terms of candidate quality. I can say this because my startup in France helped to design the HKUST admissions website and we have been able to meet some of the candidates at HKUST and screen some of the typical applicants. Having had exposure to students from Wharton, INSEAD and HKUST, I would say that HKUST's candidates to be of 2nd to 3rd tier out the whole spectrum. Please understand, that if you want to apply to a programme, that the MBA's sole purpose is to breed already natural leaders into more effective ones and give them a few business tools to solve problems. Not to educate pencil pushers to conduct Monte-Carlo simulations and Eigen Vector transformations. Anyone who disputes this should not be applying to business school but to a finance or decision science programme. Hope this helps. Sorry for the strong tone, but one or two HKUST people just riled me up. I'm also doing the interviews for both INSEAD and Wharton (undergrad), so try to remember what I said if when you get your interview.
It is quite disappointing to see this discussion forum, how uninformed some individuals are about schools. This is especially with the earlier posters on this forum trying to even compare INSEAD with HKUST which is the ultimate insult for someone who is both a graduate of Wharton and INSEAD. Firstly, INSEAD is not an Asian school, it merely has a campus in Singapore. Neither is it a French school as it is not part of the local education system and cannot be benchmarked with domestic players.
There have been quite honestly, some ignorant questioners that furbish irrelevant facts about how much better HKUST is relative to INSEAD or some other school, in terms of finance. Please go to our faculty listing and check out some of the movers and shakers there. It is also a complete joke that someone suggested we have only 3 finance professors in Singapore. They are right in that there are only 3 finance professors for the 100+ MBA students. FOr the EMBA, there would others. And many others for research - on the Sing campus alone. That is quite asinine from someone applying to an MBA programme. An good MBA programme exists for one purpose only, to make good people better. And to make naturally leaders better at leading. An MBA like INSEAD or Wharton do not have the mission of churning out finance junkies or whatnot. For that, you can just read a text book or something. It is the quality of the experience and your classmates that determines the programme's standing. It is also an environment which allows you to grow and self-reflect - the two most important aspects of developing inherent leadership. Some of the ignorant will believe that a finance course is more important than the behavioural org classes that focus on leadership. Ask yourself if you belong to such a group. Programmes like Wharton and INSEAD both have dedicated finance programmes, and I have my doubts as to whether HKUST finance junkies on this board could even survive at our MS programmes for a semester. Back to the point, if an MBA programme is really only about experience and the cohort, I would have to say that INSEAD is probably lightyears ahead of HKUST in terms of candidate quality. I can say this because my startup in France helped to design the HKUST admissions website and we have been able to meet some of the candidates at HKUST and screen some of the typical applicants. Having had exposure to students from Wharton, INSEAD and HKUST, I would say that HKUST's candidates to be of 2nd to 3rd tier out the whole spectrum. Please understand, that if you want to apply to a programme, that the MBA's sole purpose is to breed already natural leaders into more effective ones and give them a few business tools to solve problems. Not to educate pencil pushers to conduct Monte-Carlo simulations and Eigen Vector transformations. Anyone who disputes this should not be applying to business school but to a finance or decision science programme. Hope this helps. Sorry for the strong tone, but one or two HKUST people just riled me up. I'm also doing the interviews for both INSEAD and Wharton (undergrad), so try to remember what I said if when you get your interview.
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andy.j.
hi WD40 - can it be that you are a little biased? i think one can not deny that HKUST is a well ranked, well respected school.

i agree about MBA programs being there to make good people better, but i believe most good programs are taking that into account, offering leadership classes ect(HKUST included).

you stated that in your opinion the candidates in HKUST are 2nd and 3rd tier - do you care to elaborate? what makes the INSEAD candidates better?
hi WD40 - can it be that you are a little biased? i think one can not deny that HKUST is a well ranked, well respected school.

i agree about MBA programs being there to make good people better, but i believe most good programs are taking that into account, offering leadership classes ect(HKUST included).

you stated that in your opinion the candidates in HKUST are 2nd and 3rd tier - do you care to elaborate? what makes the INSEAD candidates better?
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Malia
I think, gobally, INSEAD is a much better known business school than HKUST. There's not much to add.

HKUST is surely a good school and it is constantly climbing in the rankings. In terms of career prospects, INSEAD is a better ticket. Most employers in the US and Europe will not know whether HKUST is better than City University HK, most of them will not even know it.
I think, gobally, INSEAD is a much better known business school than HKUST. There's not much to add.

HKUST is surely a good school and it is constantly climbing in the rankings. In terms of career prospects, INSEAD is a better ticket. Most employers in the US and Europe will not know whether HKUST is better than City University HK, most of them will not even know it.
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chelseafc
I think, gobally, INSEAD is a much better known business school than HKUST. There's not much to add.

HKUST is surely a good school and it is constantly climbing in the rankings. In terms of career prospects, INSEAD is a better ticket. Most employers in the US and Europe will not know whether HKUST is better than City University HK, most of them will not even know it.


dont know much about HKUST so will not comment, but certainly will agree as an European I can not differentiate between Asian schools, little ignorant perhaps....

INSEAD and Wharton are the two most overrated and overhyped MBA programs in the world attended by people with HBS, Stanford and Chicago inferiority complex...

INSEAD has been aspiring to be the global business school for the world for years now, has never reached that status and it never will, everyone knows it to be a French school period. Wharton will get you connected in the US big time!!
Insead might do that for you in the EU but lately LBS, Oxford and Cambridge have caught up despite the agony of all the INSEAD alumni and students out there.
<blockquote>I think, gobally, INSEAD is a much better known business school than HKUST. There's not much to add.

HKUST is surely a good school and it is constantly climbing in the rankings. In terms of career prospects, INSEAD is a better ticket. Most employers in the US and Europe will not know whether HKUST is better than City University HK, most of them will not even know it.</blockquote>

dont know much about HKUST so will not comment, but certainly will agree as an European I can not differentiate between Asian schools, little ignorant perhaps....

INSEAD and Wharton are the two most overrated and overhyped MBA programs in the world attended by people with HBS, Stanford and Chicago inferiority complex...

INSEAD has been aspiring to be the global business school for the world for years now, has never reached that status and it never will, everyone knows it to be a French school period. Wharton will get you connected in the US big time!!
Insead might do that for you in the EU but lately LBS, Oxford and Cambridge have caught up despite the agony of all the INSEAD alumni and students out there.






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kh84
ok fellow posters please explain this to me.

just about every person affiliated with Insead tells me the program is "well rounded"" the exact words, are they taught at the school to say that?? furthermore to me this means that they are good at everything but dont excel anywhere.

the underlying question insead vs hong kong ust is more of a choice between cities singapore vs hong kong than actual schools.
ok fellow posters please explain this to me.

just about every person affiliated with Insead tells me the program is "well rounded"" the exact words, are they taught at the school to say that?? furthermore to me this means that they are good at everything but dont excel anywhere.

the underlying question insead vs hong kong ust is more of a choice between cities singapore vs hong kong than actual schools.


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jaychu
the same CV gets the same interviews after either school. so yes you might be right at this point it is a choice between Singapore or Hong Kong. Insead is also 40-50k USD more expensive.
the same CV gets the same interviews after either school. so yes you might be right at this point it is a choice between Singapore or Hong Kong. Insead is also 40-50k USD more expensive.



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nikifori
the same CV gets the same interviews after either school. so yes you might be right at this point it is a choice between Singapore or Hong Kong. Insead is also 40-50k USD more expensive.


29 yr old Japanese accepted at both, favoring hkust because of its programs china focus. insead has the ivy league feeling to it, but it is too general and expensive.
<blockquote>the same CV gets the same interviews after either school. so yes you might be right at this point it is a choice between Singapore or Hong Kong. Insead is also 40-50k USD more expensive.</blockquote>

29 yr old Japanese accepted at both, favoring hkust because of its programs china focus. insead has the ivy league feeling to it, but it is too general and expensive.
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the same CV gets the same interviews after either school. so yes you might be right at this point it is a choice between Singapore or Hong Kong. Insead is also 40-50k USD more expensive.


29 yr old Japanese accepted at both, favoring hkust because of its programs china focus. insead has the ivy league feeling to it, but it is too general and expensive.


where are you enrolling and why if you would be kind to say.
<blockquote><blockquote>the same CV gets the same interviews after either school. so yes you might be right at this point it is a choice between Singapore or Hong Kong. Insead is also 40-50k USD more expensive.</blockquote>

29 yr old Japanese accepted at both, favoring hkust because of its programs china focus. insead has the ivy league feeling to it, but it is too general and expensive.
</blockquote>

where are you enrolling and why if you would be kind to say.
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Rhino
I think it's all depends on what the candidate is looking for.

IMO, INSEAD is ideal for someone who wants to do Enterpreneurship in Europe because of the established network there...

For HK-UST, the school is very specialised in Finance.
However, it is a second tier school because I don't think Goldman Sach London would even look HK-UST MBA degree compared to INSEAD MBA degree...

In the end, it about Branding...
Gucci versus Esprit... which one you would choose?

Of course, it is true that INSEAD candidate is better (in terms of Avg GMAT, which I believe skewed towards Americans). HAving said that, if you want to seek career in the east, it's better to be near Asia (ie. Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea)...

Btw, I live in Singapore, and this country has western-friendly environment. That's why lots of caucasians likes it here...
but honestly, the INSEAD singapore campus is too ugly...
If I were ever study at INSEAD, I would stay in France for the whole program... Don't believe me! you can check out the place itself... transportation to get there also a hassle...

also, some people said that most people in INSEAD singapore are Singaporean and Indian... is it true ?!?
I think it's all depends on what the candidate is looking for.

IMO, INSEAD is ideal for someone who wants to do Enterpreneurship in Europe because of the established network there...

For HK-UST, the school is very specialised in Finance.
However, it is a second tier school because I don't think Goldman Sach London would even look HK-UST MBA degree compared to INSEAD MBA degree...

In the end, it about Branding...
Gucci versus Esprit... which one you would choose?

Of course, it is true that INSEAD candidate is better (in terms of Avg GMAT, which I believe skewed towards Americans). HAving said that, if you want to seek career in the east, it's better to be near Asia (ie. Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea)...

Btw, I live in Singapore, and this country has western-friendly environment. That's why lots of caucasians likes it here...
but honestly, the INSEAD singapore campus is too ugly...
If I were ever study at INSEAD, I would stay in France for the whole program... Don't believe me! you can check out the place itself... transportation to get there also a hassle...

also, some people said that most people in INSEAD singapore are Singaporean and Indian... is it true ?!?

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lennier
However, it is a second tier school because I don't think Goldman Sach London would even look HK-UST MBA degree compared to INSEAD MBA degree...

Just wanted to say that while this may be true (I don't have a feel for where HKUST is perceived by GS), the point to also make is that, more often than not, and especially in today's hiring climate and given the size of markets in Asia, a job in finance may come via the less travelled route ie. not via the careers office or via the company's online application system. I would think that factors such as networking, relevant past experience, language skills, etc. are what people look for, rather than a well-known MBA branding. The well-known brand works best if a GS/MS/JP is where you want to work at. At other smaller/niche places, the brand still helps yes, but to a smaller degree.
However, it is a second tier school because I don't think Goldman Sach London would even look HK-UST MBA degree compared to INSEAD MBA degree...

Just wanted to say that while this may be true (I don't have a feel for where HKUST is perceived by GS), the point to also make is that, more often than not, and especially in today's hiring climate and given the size of markets in Asia, a job in finance may come via the less travelled route ie. not via the careers office or via the company's online application system. I would think that factors such as networking, relevant past experience, language skills, etc. are what people look for, rather than a well-known MBA branding. The well-known brand works best if a GS/MS/JP is where you want to work at. At other smaller/niche places, the brand still helps yes, but to a smaller degree.
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question?

when you fill out associate application on Goldmans' website does it file you according to your school?

get real people. if you dont have people skills, 700+ gmat and language skills, HWS and certainly Insead wont help you in getting front office associate program roles.
question?

when you fill out associate application on Goldmans' website does it file you according to your school?

get real people. if you dont have people skills, 700+ gmat and language skills, HWS and certainly Insead wont help you in getting front office associate program roles.


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ongt0001
Hi,

Was wondering wat the perception of EDHEC is like in Singapore and Europe?
Hi,

Was wondering wat the perception of EDHEC is like in Singapore and Europe?
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