INSEAD Singapore VS Hong Kong UST



BTW: The popularity rankings on this site (based on user views) places INSEAD Asia before HKUST and all other business schools in South East Asia and East Asia: http://www.find-mba.com/most-popular/asia - so its MBA program obviously gets more attention by prospective students than all programs in Hong Kong and mainland China.

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"Yeah, the grapes were sour anyway...!"
:-D

Buddy, what have you been smoking?

INSEAD takes in anwhere from 900-1000 students a year,
HONG KONG UST takes in less than 100. Based just on that there will be more people looking at INSEAD because its a mass production MBA of low quality, and all it gets you is the INSEAD MBA with the alumni network thats brainwashed into believing INSEAD is good. For all of you INSEAD graduates/applicants out there, one question for you.

WHAT IS INSEAD KNOWN FOR?

to me its known for spending $$$$$ on marketing itself, zero achievements in research, average faculty at best, very limited choice of electives, prison style campus in Singapore.




"Yeah, the grapes were sour anyway...!"
:-D

Buddy, what have you been smoking?


what is INSEAD known for?????, answer that question and we can talk. right now you are just another one of their brainwashed grads...


Buddy, I don't intend to get into a childish post flaming here. If you had the impression that I have misinterpreted your opinion then I am sorry. I don't care about what others think about a particular school if it fulfilled and exceeded my personal expectations. You probably are very proud about your school you attended. Congratulations! Probably you paid a lot, as well. You should be proud, then!
There are many good schools out there and I am sure that HKUST might be excellent. However you may possibly lower your voice on things you have no clue about, that's my personal mantra.
I suggest you might read some interesting diary blogs on blogspot. there are good ones about INSEAD, Stanford, Columbia, LBS etc. that are very close to truth. This should give you broad perspective on other MBA programs.

Buddy, I don't know your age, but either you are a serious fanboy of your school or you have an personal inferiority complex.
I already feel sorry that I have posted in this forum, and therefore I leave to do more important things. Bye!


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So another INSEAD alumni without an answer to my question?
Once again what is INSEAD known for?????

Please dont put it in the same sentence as Stanford, Columbia, LBS because thats injustice to latter schools.

I wil end with this, INSEAD graduates about 1000 alumnis a year, its one of the biggest most overhyped MBA programs in the world.
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BTW: The popularity rankings on this site (based on user views) places INSEAD Asia before HKUST and all other business schools in South East Asia and East Asia: http://www.find-mba.com/most-popular/asia - so its MBA program obviously gets more attention by prospective students than all programs in Hong Kong and mainland China.

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"Yeah, the grapes were sour anyway...!"
:-D

Buddy, what have you been smoking?

INSEAD takes in anwhere from 900-1000 students a year,
HONG KONG UST takes in less than 100. Based just on that there will be more people looking at INSEAD because its a mass production MBA of low quality, and all it gets you is the INSEAD MBA with the alumni network thats brainwashed into believing INSEAD is good. For all of you INSEAD graduates/applicants out there, one question for you.

WHAT IS INSEAD KNOWN FOR?

to me its known for spending $$$$$ on marketing itself, zero achievements in research, average faculty at best, very limited choice of electives, prison style campus in Singapore.


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"Yeah, the grapes were sour anyway...!"
:-D

Buddy, what have you been smoking?</blockquote>

what is INSEAD known for?????, answer that question and we can talk. right now you are just another one of their brainwashed grads...</blockquote>

Buddy, I don't intend to get into a childish post flaming here. If you had the impression that I have misinterpreted your opinion then I am sorry. I don't care about what others think about a particular school if it fulfilled and exceeded my personal expectations. You probably are very proud about your school you attended. Congratulations! Probably you paid a lot, as well. You should be proud, then!
There are many good schools out there and I am sure that HKUST might be excellent. However you may possibly lower your voice on things you have no clue about, that's my personal mantra.
I suggest you might read some interesting diary blogs on blogspot. there are good ones about INSEAD, Stanford, Columbia, LBS etc. that are very close to truth. This should give you broad perspective on other MBA programs.

Buddy, I don't know your age, but either you are a serious fanboy of your school or you have an personal inferiority complex.
I already feel sorry that I have posted in this forum, and therefore I leave to do more important things. Bye!


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So another INSEAD alumni without an answer to my question?
Once again what is INSEAD known for?????

Please dont put it in the same sentence as Stanford, Columbia, LBS because thats injustice to latter schools.

I wil end with this, INSEAD graduates about 1000 alumnis a year, its one of the biggest most overhyped MBA programs in the world.

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Cheng
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Cheng
I started in the INSEAD Singapore campus. It was quite good, small classes but excellent courses. I felt more in an executive course. :-D
After a few months I moved to the main campus in Fontainebleau. Actually all students are supposed to switch campuses once, although you might do all your time in Singapore, which would defeat the purpose of a global program. Courses in Singapore are quite limited in the electives, but I had to do my main courses anyway.
When I came to Fontainebleau it really blew me away. There is so much going on. Facilities are fantastic. The campus is really impressive. I will miss it soon, because I opted to move on in the next period to the Wharton campus. (INSEAD and Wharton have an exchange program).

I think, globetrotter missed the point. INSEAD's focus is on general management and consulting, less on finance. Although most professors are from the US Ivy league anyway. I am not much into finance, so INSEAD fits me well. I guess for finance one has to choose a school with finance focus (i.e. Chicago, NYU ). Besides I don't know what INSEAD wants to do with its Singapore satellite campus. Will it grow or become an executive education center? There is another small satellite campus in Singapore, from the University of Chicago, but they tend to do executive only. Maybe they will follow INSEAD and enlarge it for MBA programs.
I started in the INSEAD Singapore campus. It was quite good, small classes but excellent courses. I felt more in an executive course. :-D
After a few months I moved to the main campus in Fontainebleau. Actually all students are supposed to switch campuses once, although you might do all your time in Singapore, which would defeat the purpose of a global program. Courses in Singapore are quite limited in the electives, but I had to do my main courses anyway.
When I came to Fontainebleau it really blew me away. There is so much going on. Facilities are fantastic. The campus is really impressive. I will miss it soon, because I opted to move on in the next period to the Wharton campus. (INSEAD and Wharton have an exchange program).

I think, globetrotter missed the point. INSEAD's focus is on general management and consulting, less on finance. Although most professors are from the US Ivy league anyway. I am not much into finance, so INSEAD fits me well. I guess for finance one has to choose a school with finance focus (i.e. Chicago, NYU ). Besides I don't know what INSEAD wants to do with its Singapore satellite campus. Will it grow or become an executive education center? There is another small satellite campus in Singapore, from the University of Chicago, but they tend to do executive only. Maybe they will follow INSEAD and enlarge it for MBA programs.
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copernicus
I started in the INSEAD Singapore campus. It was quite good, small classes but excellent courses. I felt more in an executive course. :-D
After a few months I moved to the main campus in Fontainebleau. Actually all students are supposed to switch campuses once, although you might do all your time in Singapore, which would defeat the purpose of a global program. Courses in Singapore are quite limited in the electives, but I had to do my main courses anyway.
When I came to Fontainebleau it really blew me away. There is so much going on. Facilities are fantastic. The campus is really impressive. I will miss it soon, because I opted to move on in the next period to the Wharton campus. (INSEAD and Wharton have an exchange program).

I think, globetrotter missed the point. INSEAD's focus is on general management and consulting, less on finance. Although most professors are from the US Ivy league anyway. I am not much into finance, so INSEAD fits me well. I guess for finance one has to choose a school with finance focus (i.e. Chicago, NYU ). Besides I don't know what INSEAD wants to do with its Singapore satellite campus. Will it grow or become an executive education center? There is another small satellite campus in Singapore, from the University of Chicago, but they tend to do executive only. Maybe they will follow INSEAD and enlarge it for MBA programs.


INSEAD France - Fontainebleau and INSEAD Singapore "two different schools" in my opinion.

I think bottom line is this, INSEAD Singapore (good or bad) can not be clasified as an Asian MBA. Take away the location in Singapore and there is nothing Asian about it.

If someone wants to do an Asian MBA then HK UST and CEIBS are better fits in my opinion. For Finance there is only one choice HK UST, and also specifically in Finance HK UST is a much better school than INSEAD overall be it in France or Singapore.
<blockquote>I started in the INSEAD Singapore campus. It was quite good, small classes but excellent courses. I felt more in an executive course. :-D
After a few months I moved to the main campus in Fontainebleau. Actually all students are supposed to switch campuses once, although you might do all your time in Singapore, which would defeat the purpose of a global program. Courses in Singapore are quite limited in the electives, but I had to do my main courses anyway.
When I came to Fontainebleau it really blew me away. There is so much going on. Facilities are fantastic. The campus is really impressive. I will miss it soon, because I opted to move on in the next period to the Wharton campus. (INSEAD and Wharton have an exchange program).

I think, globetrotter missed the point. INSEAD's focus is on general management and consulting, less on finance. Although most professors are from the US Ivy league anyway. I am not much into finance, so INSEAD fits me well. I guess for finance one has to choose a school with finance focus (i.e. Chicago, NYU ). Besides I don't know what INSEAD wants to do with its Singapore satellite campus. Will it grow or become an executive education center? There is another small satellite campus in Singapore, from the University of Chicago, but they tend to do executive only. Maybe they will follow INSEAD and enlarge it for MBA programs.</blockquote>

INSEAD France - Fontainebleau and INSEAD Singapore "two different schools" in my opinion.

I think bottom line is this, INSEAD Singapore (good or bad) can not be clasified as an Asian MBA. Take away the location in Singapore and there is nothing Asian about it.

If someone wants to do an Asian MBA then HK UST and CEIBS are better fits in my opinion. For Finance there is only one choice HK UST, and also specifically in Finance HK UST is a much better school than INSEAD overall be it in France or Singapore.


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kit
I started in the INSEAD Singapore campus. It was quite good, small classes but excellent courses. I felt more in an executive course. :-D
After a few months I moved to the main campus in Fontainebleau. Actually all students are supposed to switch campuses once, although you might do all your time in Singapore, which would defeat the purpose of a global program. Courses in Singapore are quite limited in the electives, but I had to do my main courses anyway.
When I came to Fontainebleau it really blew me away. There is so much going on. Facilities are fantastic. The campus is really impressive. I will miss it soon, because I opted to move on in the next period to the Wharton campus. (INSEAD and Wharton have an exchange program).

I think, globetrotter missed the point. INSEAD's focus is on general management and consulting, less on finance. Although most professors are from the US Ivy league anyway. I am not much into finance, so INSEAD fits me well. I guess for finance one has to choose a school with finance focus (i.e. Chicago, NYU ). Besides I don't know what INSEAD wants to do with its Singapore satellite campus. Will it grow or become an executive education center? There is another small satellite campus in Singapore, from the University of Chicago, but they tend to do executive only. Maybe they will follow INSEAD and enlarge it for MBA programs.


Thanks for your post Cheng. Sounds like a really good experience. What's your impression of recruiting at INSEAD? Have there been good placements, recruiting events, etc.?
<blockquote>I started in the INSEAD Singapore campus. It was quite good, small classes but excellent courses. I felt more in an executive course. :-D
After a few months I moved to the main campus in Fontainebleau. Actually all students are supposed to switch campuses once, although you might do all your time in Singapore, which would defeat the purpose of a global program. Courses in Singapore are quite limited in the electives, but I had to do my main courses anyway.
When I came to Fontainebleau it really blew me away. There is so much going on. Facilities are fantastic. The campus is really impressive. I will miss it soon, because I opted to move on in the next period to the Wharton campus. (INSEAD and Wharton have an exchange program).

I think, globetrotter missed the point. INSEAD's focus is on general management and consulting, less on finance. Although most professors are from the US Ivy league anyway. I am not much into finance, so INSEAD fits me well. I guess for finance one has to choose a school with finance focus (i.e. Chicago, NYU ). Besides I don't know what INSEAD wants to do with its Singapore satellite campus. Will it grow or become an executive education center? There is another small satellite campus in Singapore, from the University of Chicago, but they tend to do executive only. Maybe they will follow INSEAD and enlarge it for MBA programs.</blockquote>

Thanks for your post Cheng. Sounds like a really good experience. What's your impression of recruiting at INSEAD? Have there been good placements, recruiting events, etc.?

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I cannot really speak for the "Asia" focus of INSEAD's campus in Singapore. As an INSEAD student in France, I don't view INSEAD-Singapore as a different school. Many of us switch campuses at least once. Not knowing of the state of the facilities there, I......... don't really care. If campus facility is the determinant of how good a school is, there will be no non-US school in the top-100.

The INSEAD MBA is an experience. INSEAD Singapore allows INSEAD to extend this experience to Asia.

I won't add to the INSEAD ranking, reputation, etc debate. But I can tell you why I chose INSEAD. Having done college and grad school in the US, I want to have a different school experience, without necessarily sacrificing the quality of education. And I can genuinely say that I have found it at INSEAD.

Sure, in coming back to the US, I will encounter employers who have never heard of INSEAD. But if you are confident that you are a top-tier candidate, I don't know of many hurdles that you cannot overcome.

As for INSEAD recruiting, INSEAD graduates are roughly divided into 30% Finance, 35% Consulting, and 35% Industry. I don't remember what the breakdown is for Asia, but you can check out for yourself at http://www.insead.edu/mba/careers/documents/2006_Careers_report.pdf.

INSEAD will have some catching up to do in Asia in terms of reputation. But give it time. Coming from South-East Asia, there was once the only two universities I have heard of were Cambridge and Oxford.

My 2 cents.
I cannot really speak for the "Asia" focus of INSEAD's campus in Singapore. As an INSEAD student in France, I don't view INSEAD-Singapore as a different school. Many of us switch campuses at least once. Not knowing of the state of the facilities there, I......... don't really care. If campus facility is the determinant of how good a school is, there will be no non-US school in the top-100.

The INSEAD MBA is an experience. INSEAD Singapore allows INSEAD to extend this experience to Asia.

I won't add to the INSEAD ranking, reputation, etc debate. But I can tell you why I chose INSEAD. Having done college and grad school in the US, I want to have a different school experience, without necessarily sacrificing the quality of education. And I can genuinely say that I have found it at INSEAD.

Sure, in coming back to the US, I will encounter employers who have never heard of INSEAD. But if you are confident that you are a top-tier candidate, I don't know of many hurdles that you cannot overcome.

As for INSEAD recruiting, INSEAD graduates are roughly divided into 30% Finance, 35% Consulting, and 35% Industry. I don't remember what the breakdown is for Asia, but you can check out for yourself at http://www.insead.edu/mba/careers/documents/2006_Careers_report.pdf.

INSEAD will have some catching up to do in Asia in terms of reputation. But give it time. Coming from South-East Asia, there was once the only two universities I have heard of were Cambridge and Oxford.

My 2 cents.
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gyuri
Many would agree that degrees from these two schools are the best in Asia. Finance junkies will surely choose Hong Kong UST, but for overall MBA prestige INSEAD does have the edge outside of Asia. In my opinion the only way to find out which one is the best for you is to apply to both of them and talk to as many people as you can.



I personally would take HONG KONG UST anyday, not only in Finance.. Insead Singapore is very overrated, one quick visit to that campus tells all. but then again if someone is into the whole "image is everything" mantra, he/she might think different.

Every MBA program is unique and everyone needs to make a careful decison when choosing an MBA, its one of the bigger expenses in life! In Asia however I would narrow it down to Hong KOng UST, Insead, and possibly CEIBS if one speaks Chinese and wants to work only in Mainland CHina (Beijing or Shanghai)



Dont forget the very important fact that the most you will learn from any MBA is coming from your supersharp, experienced and inspiring classmates. (many of them already coming from finance) I think INSEAD's selection has really high standards and last year there were months when 350 out of the 450 total class intake were in Singapore. The people you meet at Insead will change your perception about many issues in life and you should not miss this part out of your screening criteria.
I personally think that two of the best Finance professors are teaching only in Singapore. And according to many, extensive research does not necessarily means good teaching but some profs who worked with funds/McKinsey Finance practice will prepare you more for your after MBA Finance life. Anyway tons of Asia banking positions are advertised on INSEAD careerlink and most of the employers has Insead alumni. The school has special attention on allocating the highly rated electives equally to both campuses and the dean of the MBA spends equal amount of time on both campuses. In addition there are many conferences/networking events for which you can travel from Singapore such as venture capital/pe conferences organized by 3i/venturelab/Insead in mainland China. France is definitely a bigger campus but to know your classmates and their background Singapore is equally efficient. I split my time equally between the two campuses, there is not any difference at all regarding the quality of students.(even if i take the number of students from different starting campuses on the deans list) I was not from the marketing department but studying on both campuses.
<blockquote><blockquote>Many would agree that degrees from these two schools are the best in Asia. Finance junkies will surely choose Hong Kong UST, but for overall MBA prestige INSEAD does have the edge outside of Asia. In my opinion the only way to find out which one is the best for you is to apply to both of them and talk to as many people as you can.

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I personally would take HONG KONG UST anyday, not only in Finance.. Insead Singapore is very overrated, one quick visit to that campus tells all. but then again if someone is into the whole "image is everything" mantra, he/she might think different.

Every MBA program is unique and everyone needs to make a careful decison when choosing an MBA, its one of the bigger expenses in life! In Asia however I would narrow it down to Hong KOng UST, Insead, and possibly CEIBS if one speaks Chinese and wants to work only in Mainland CHina (Beijing or Shanghai)</blockquote>


Dont forget the very important fact that the most you will learn from any MBA is coming from your supersharp, experienced and inspiring classmates. (many of them already coming from finance) I think INSEAD's selection has really high standards and last year there were months when 350 out of the 450 total class intake were in Singapore. The people you meet at Insead will change your perception about many issues in life and you should not miss this part out of your screening criteria.
I personally think that two of the best Finance professors are teaching only in Singapore. And according to many, extensive research does not necessarily means good teaching but some profs who worked with funds/McKinsey Finance practice will prepare you more for your after MBA Finance life. Anyway tons of Asia banking positions are advertised on INSEAD careerlink and most of the employers has Insead alumni. The school has special attention on allocating the highly rated electives equally to both campuses and the dean of the MBA spends equal amount of time on both campuses. In addition there are many conferences/networking events for which you can travel from Singapore such as venture capital/pe conferences organized by 3i/venturelab/Insead in mainland China. France is definitely a bigger campus but to know your classmates and their background Singapore is equally efficient. I split my time equally between the two campuses, there is not any difference at all regarding the quality of students.(even if i take the number of students from different starting campuses on the deans list) I was not from the marketing department but studying on both campuses.


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Kate_hk
To the person using various identities/usernames and staging fake "discussions" about how great HKUST is and how bad INSEAD is: I don't know if you get paid by HKUST to do this (which would shed a new light on its marketing techniques). But please stop, you are boring everybody on this forum to death!


This is more or less what I thought following this discussion.
I´m glad to read all the posts containing real information about INSEAD. Especially the posts of the people having actually studied there, will be a valuable information source for those readers of this board, who come here to find a help in their process of chosing the best MBA for their needs.

If you get paid for promoting HKUST, I really don´t understand why you chose to do this by spreading negative, and wrong (!), information about a competitor! Are the arguments in favor of the school you write for, not enough?
Not elegant. And not smart to do it in a way that everbody notices! You could at least do it in a more subtle way.

In the end it turns out as sort of "negative press" for HKUST, which is certainly a good school.

What is interesting are facts and real information. I agree, otherwise it is really boring for the readers.
<blockquote>To the person using various identities/usernames and staging fake "discussions" about how great HKUST is and how bad INSEAD is: I don't know if you get paid by HKUST to do this (which would shed a new light on its marketing techniques). But please stop, you are boring everybody on this forum to death!</blockquote>

This is more or less what I thought following this discussion.
I´m glad to read all the posts containing real information about INSEAD. Especially the posts of the people having actually studied there, will be a valuable information source for those readers of this board, who come here to find a help in their process of chosing the best MBA for their needs.

If you get paid for promoting HKUST, I really don´t understand why you chose to do this by spreading negative, and wrong (!), information about a competitor! Are the arguments in favor of the school you write for, not enough?
Not elegant. And not smart to do it in a way that everbody notices! You could at least do it in a more subtle way.

In the end it turns out as sort of "negative press" for HKUST, which is certainly a good school.

What is interesting are facts and real information. I agree, otherwise it is really boring for the readers.
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Can anyone be more "facts full" from a third party or verifiable source, than I have been in my first post on this thread??

when INSEAD starts posting facts, cold hard facts, and starts citing statistics, instead of just talking with no supporting documents than we can have a true discussion here.

For the 100th time, can someone answer this question.

What is INSEAD known for ???

being an MBA factory with no specific specialization? can anyone do better than that?

Kate_HK which statements in this thread about INSEAD and Hong Kong UST do you specifically disagree with?
Can anyone be more "facts full" from a third party or verifiable source, than I have been in my first post on this thread??

when INSEAD starts posting facts, cold hard facts, and starts citing statistics, instead of just talking with no supporting documents than we can have a true discussion here.

For the 100th time, can someone answer this question.

What is INSEAD known for ???

being an MBA factory with no specific specialization? can anyone do better than that?

Kate_HK which statements in this thread about INSEAD and Hong Kong UST do you specifically disagree with?
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shawn.hk
ok, now i see where all this insead vs hong kong ust bickering started.

definitely biased opinions, no doubt about that, but Insead seems to be TKOd here because of lack of any meaningful supportive arguments in its case.
ok, now i see where all this insead vs hong kong ust bickering started.

definitely biased opinions, no doubt about that, but Insead seems to be TKOd here because of lack of any meaningful supportive arguments in its case.


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jelt
Can anyone be more "facts full" from a third party or verifiable source, than I have been in my first post on this thread??

when INSEAD starts posting facts, cold hard facts, and starts citing statistics, instead of just talking with no supporting documents than we can have a true discussion here.

For the 100th time, can someone answer this question.

What is INSEAD known for ???

being an MBA factory with no specific specialization? can anyone do better than that?

Kate_HK which statements in this thread about INSEAD and Hong Kong UST do you specifically disagree with?


Hi,

I don't think that's a fair point at all. HBS is known world-wide as the best general management school. If all you want is to compare 'specific specialisations', presumably finance, then Chicago, Columbia and even NYU are undoubtedly better than HBS. But I wouldn't say that HBS 'couldn't do better'. You're simply comparing apples with oranges.

Furthermore, I am also from Singapore and I know friends who have rejected Wharton/Chicago for INSEAD. The quality of the students who go there are much higher than HKUST. Also, INSEAD just introduced a dbl degree EMBA programme with Tsinghua. I think there's a reason why they didn't choose HKUST. The name of HKUST is just not very big at all.

Lastly, as many people have already noted, you HKUST students/alumni/staff are doing your school no good by making poorly argued points all over the internet. I've also engaged in this type of exchange with another HKUST affliate on the businessweek forums. Facts/ rankings aside, much of the reputation of schools comes from the people who are affiliated to them. Maybe you'll think about this a bit more before you next rant and rave about HKUST being "better than any other Asian school, damn you all."

The basic rule of any good salesman/ marketer is that you highlight your own strong points, not the weak points of others. HKUST may indeed do a good job teaching finance, but they obviously train people who have no idea how to generate sales. Maybe INSEAD does better in this regard?
<blockquote>Can anyone be more "facts full" from a third party or verifiable source, than I have been in my first post on this thread??

when INSEAD starts posting facts, cold hard facts, and starts citing statistics, instead of just talking with no supporting documents than we can have a true discussion here.

For the 100th time, can someone answer this question.

What is INSEAD known for ???

being an MBA factory with no specific specialization? can anyone do better than that?

Kate_HK which statements in this thread about INSEAD and Hong Kong UST do you specifically disagree with?
</blockquote>

Hi,

I don't think that's a fair point at all. HBS is known world-wide as the best general management school. If all you want is to compare 'specific specialisations', presumably finance, then Chicago, Columbia and even NYU are undoubtedly better than HBS. But I wouldn't say that HBS 'couldn't do better'. You're simply comparing apples with oranges.

Furthermore, I am also from Singapore and I know friends who have rejected Wharton/Chicago for INSEAD. The quality of the students who go there are much higher than HKUST. Also, INSEAD just introduced a dbl degree EMBA programme with Tsinghua. I think there's a reason why they didn't choose HKUST. The name of HKUST is just not very big at all.

Lastly, as many people have already noted, you HKUST students/alumni/staff are doing your school no good by making poorly argued points all over the internet. I've also engaged in this type of exchange with another HKUST affliate on the businessweek forums. Facts/ rankings aside, much of the reputation of schools comes from the people who are affiliated to them. Maybe you'll think about this a bit more before you next rant and rave about HKUST being "better than any other Asian school, damn you all."

The basic rule of any good salesman/ marketer is that you highlight your own strong points, not the weak points of others. HKUST may indeed do a good job teaching finance, but they obviously train people who have no idea how to generate sales. Maybe INSEAD does better in this regard?
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vasilijs
Also, INSEAD just introduced a dbl degree EMBA programme with Tsinghua. I think there's a reason why they didn't choose HKUST. The name of HKUST is just not very big at all.

Do you want to say that Tsinghua is a much bigger name? Well, won't really believe it. HKUST also has got quite strong alliance partners for joint - NYU and Kellogg - I think, INSEAD did not want to exlore this hub since it is already saturated.

Regarding rejecting Wharton for INSEAD - I have just talked to a person who was admitted to INSEAD, but rejected it in favour of Melbourne Graduate School of Business.

For the quality of students - not only quality if important. I have talked to a number of INSEAD students, and it was one of the major reasons I rejected the INSEAD option. The students in INSEAD may be smart, but I did not want to be friends with 50% of those I spoke to...

And I definetely agree with you - the agressive HKUST posts against INSEAD all over the net is a bad way to market the programme. I don't know who and why really does it - I am a current HKUST MBA student, and I don't see this "Hate INSEAD" attitude here.
<blockquote>Also, INSEAD just introduced a dbl degree EMBA programme with Tsinghua. I think there's a reason why they didn't choose HKUST. The name of HKUST is just not very big at all.</blockquote>
Do you want to say that Tsinghua is a much bigger name? Well, won't really believe it. HKUST also has got quite strong alliance partners for joint - NYU and Kellogg - I think, INSEAD did not want to exlore this hub since it is already saturated.

Regarding rejecting Wharton for INSEAD - I have just talked to a person who was admitted to INSEAD, but rejected it in favour of Melbourne Graduate School of Business.

For the quality of students - not only quality if important. I have talked to a number of INSEAD students, and it was one of the major reasons I rejected the INSEAD option. The students in INSEAD may be smart, but I did not want to be friends with 50% of those I spoke to...

And I definetely agree with you - the agressive HKUST posts against INSEAD all over the net is a bad way to market the programme. I don't know who and why really does it - I am a current HKUST MBA student, and I don't see this "Hate INSEAD" attitude here.
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shawn.hk
have you checked the FT EMBA rankings lately and looked at who #1 is? at the Executive level Hong Kong USt is dealing the cards.

http://rankings.ft.com/emba-rankings

I'm Hong Kong based and currently working on developing an EMBA portal, and have done plenty of research on the subject. whereas i certainly agree that on mba level the comments here dont do INSEAD justice, but on the EMBA level INSEAD is no way near Hong Kong UST.
have you checked the FT EMBA rankings lately and looked at who #1 is? at the Executive level Hong Kong USt is dealing the cards.

http://rankings.ft.com/emba-rankings

I'm Hong Kong based and currently working on developing an EMBA portal, and have done plenty of research on the subject. whereas i certainly agree that on mba level the comments here dont do INSEAD justice, but on the EMBA level INSEAD is no way near Hong Kong UST.
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kuoyang
I'm new to here but from reading the past posts, there seems to be some ignorant HKUST people in here. I live in Canada and i have never even heard of HKUST and Insead is ranked number on Forbes and what's funny is that when you look up insead on wikipedia and you scroll down to the alumni's you will be seeing a "shit load" of Ceo's and Presidents who have gone through training at Insead and not HKUST such as the presidents for Louis Vuitton, LVMH, and MTV...etc.............................................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSEAD
I'm new to here but from reading the past posts, there seems to be some ignorant HKUST people in here. I live in Canada and i have never even heard of HKUST and Insead is ranked number on Forbes and what's funny is that when you look up insead on wikipedia and you scroll down to the alumni's you will be seeing a "shit load" of Ceo's and Presidents who have gone through training at Insead and not HKUST such as the presidents for Louis Vuitton, LVMH, and MTV...etc.............................................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSEAD
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shawn.hk
I'm new to here but from reading the past posts, there seems to be some ignorant HKUST people in here. I live in Canada and i have never even heard of HKUST and Insead is ranked number on Forbes and what's funny is that when you look up insead on wikipedia and you scroll down to the alumni's you will be seeing a "shit load" of Ceo's and Presidents who have gone through training at Insead and not HKUST such as the presidents for Louis Vuitton, LVMH, and MTV...etc.............................................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSEAD


not sure if they would like your "shit Load" expression :-), but certainly a VALID point. Management is certainly one of INSEAD's major strengths. My comment was more geared towards Asia and recent graduates - last 5 years or so. INSEAD has been around a long time and has a pretty big intake every year, which can not be said of Hong kong UST.
<blockquote>I'm new to here but from reading the past posts, there seems to be some ignorant HKUST people in here. I live in Canada and i have never even heard of HKUST and Insead is ranked number on Forbes and what's funny is that when you look up insead on wikipedia and you scroll down to the alumni's you will be seeing a "shit load" of Ceo's and Presidents who have gone through training at Insead and not HKUST such as the presidents for Louis Vuitton, LVMH, and MTV...etc.............................................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INSEAD</blockquote>

not sure if they would like your "shit Load" expression :-), but certainly a VALID point. Management is certainly one of INSEAD's major strengths. My comment was more geared towards Asia and recent graduates - last 5 years or so. INSEAD has been around a long time and has a pretty big intake every year, which can not be said of Hong kong UST.

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jelt
Also, INSEAD just introduced a dbl degree EMBA programme with Tsinghua. I think there's a reason why they didn't choose HKUST. The name of HKUST is just not very big at all.

Do you want to say that Tsinghua is a much bigger name? Well, won't really believe it. HKUST also has got quite strong alliance partners for joint - NYU and Kellogg - I think, INSEAD did not want to exlore this hub since it is already saturated.

Regarding rejecting Wharton for INSEAD - I have just talked to a person who was admitted to INSEAD, but rejected it in favour of Melbourne Graduate School of Business.

For the quality of students - not only quality if important. I have talked to a number of INSEAD students, and it was one of the major reasons I rejected the INSEAD option. The students in INSEAD may be smart, but I did not want to be friends with 50% of those I spoke to...

And I definetely agree with you - the agressive HKUST posts against INSEAD all over the net is a bad way to market the programme. I don't know who and why really does it - I am a current HKUST MBA student, and I don't see this "Hate INSEAD" attitude here.


I think the fact is that people choose their schools for many reasons. I had a friend who rejected Chicago GSB and Wharton for INSEAD. It doesn't mean that INSEAD is better than the others; it just means it fit his needs better. I have also talked to many INSEAD students, and many of them really impressed me. So I guess it really depends on your individual experiences.

To give another example (anecodotal, but I suspect it may be how many asians think about these schools) today I learnt that in the new world-wide rankings of educational institutions (not just MBA), HKUST is ranked higher than Stanford. When my Hong Kong native friends discovered this, they heaped scorn on HKUST and said that the rankings were just stupid. To be honest, I've heard the same from many Singaporeans about NTU/NUS and many Chinese students about the MBA programmes at CEIBS/Tsinghua/PKU.

For a foreigner looking to come to Asia, though, it might be a different matter. If you want to work in the HK financial markets, HKUST may indeed be your best bet, just like Columbia or NYU may be a better bet if you want to work in NY's financial market than even maybe Stanford or Harvard. However, if you're looking for name recognition across Asia and maybe beyond, practically everyone in China and increasingly across Asia too knows Tsinghua/PKU. These two schools may not have very strong MBA programmes, but they're beneficiaries of the extremely strong names of their parent schools. As for INSEAD, as another Canadian poster has noted, world-wide, many many more people know INSEAD than any other Asian school.

Having said that, I really appreciate your lucid, rational post. You've redeemed the name of HKUST, in my book.
<blockquote><blockquote>Also, INSEAD just introduced a dbl degree EMBA programme with Tsinghua. I think there's a reason why they didn't choose HKUST. The name of HKUST is just not very big at all.</blockquote>
Do you want to say that Tsinghua is a much bigger name? Well, won't really believe it. HKUST also has got quite strong alliance partners for joint - NYU and Kellogg - I think, INSEAD did not want to exlore this hub since it is already saturated.

Regarding rejecting Wharton for INSEAD - I have just talked to a person who was admitted to INSEAD, but rejected it in favour of Melbourne Graduate School of Business.

For the quality of students - not only quality if important. I have talked to a number of INSEAD students, and it was one of the major reasons I rejected the INSEAD option. The students in INSEAD may be smart, but I did not want to be friends with 50% of those I spoke to...

And I definetely agree with you - the agressive HKUST posts against INSEAD all over the net is a bad way to market the programme. I don't know who and why really does it - I am a current HKUST MBA student, and I don't see this "Hate INSEAD" attitude here.</blockquote>

I think the fact is that people choose their schools for many reasons. I had a friend who rejected Chicago GSB and Wharton for INSEAD. It doesn't mean that INSEAD is better than the others; it just means it fit his needs better. I have also talked to many INSEAD students, and many of them really impressed me. So I guess it really depends on your individual experiences.

To give another example (anecodotal, but I suspect it may be how many asians think about these schools) today I learnt that in the new world-wide rankings of educational institutions (not just MBA), HKUST is ranked higher than Stanford. When my Hong Kong native friends discovered this, they heaped scorn on HKUST and said that the rankings were just stupid. To be honest, I've heard the same from many Singaporeans about NTU/NUS and many Chinese students about the MBA programmes at CEIBS/Tsinghua/PKU.

For a foreigner looking to come to Asia, though, it might be a different matter. If you want to work in the HK financial markets, HKUST may indeed be your best bet, just like Columbia or NYU may be a better bet if you want to work in NY's financial market than even maybe Stanford or Harvard. However, if you're looking for name recognition across Asia and maybe beyond, practically everyone in China and increasingly across Asia too knows Tsinghua/PKU. These two schools may not have very strong MBA programmes, but they're beneficiaries of the extremely strong names of their parent schools. As for INSEAD, as another Canadian poster has noted, world-wide, many many more people know INSEAD than any other Asian school.

Having said that, I really appreciate your lucid, rational post. You've redeemed the name of HKUST, in my book.
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vasilijs
I think the fact is that people choose their schools for many reasons. I had a friend who rejected Chicago GSB and Wharton for INSEAD. It doesn't mean that INSEAD is better than the others; it just means it fit his needs better. I have also talked to many INSEAD students, and many of them really impressed me. So I guess it really depends on your individual experiences.

I don't 100% agree with you only because I 200% agree with you. If you read my other post, I explicitly say this, or, to be more precise, "try to say this", on this forum - nobody really listens to me. INSEAD and HKUST do not compete, they operate in different segment, target different applicants and different jobs, sometimes the same level jobs and the same employers, but different jobs. They are not comparable - they are like cat and rabbit - two completely different things. I respect INSEAD, and I was thinking about going to INSEAD myself, but I rejected it because it is not that good fit for me as it may be for someone else. The person who preferred Melbourne GSB over INSEAD also did it because of reasons different than ranking. MBA is Studies + Living Experience + Networking, and rankings measure only a small part of each component of these three. In my opinion, those who do not take the whole picture into account simply do not understand what is MBA and would benefit from additional work/life experience before applying to any MBA school at all.

To give another example (anecodotal, but I suspect it may be how many asians think about these schools) today I learnt that in the new world-wide rankings of educational institutions (not just MBA), HKUST is ranked higher than Stanford. When my Hong Kong native friends discovered this, they heaped scorn on HKUST and said that the rankings were just stupid.

Which ranking was it? HKUST should probably be surprised with this either since nobody here position HKUST as an educational institution above Stanford. Are you sure there is no confusion? So far as I know, by one (in my opinion, doubtful) ranking Stanford was N20 (or something like this) in the world, while HKUST was N15 (or something like this) in Asia. But the medias here quoted only numbers - N20 and N15, skipping "in the world" and "in Asia" respectively. A cheap joke, I should say - but not HKUST fault. If you tell this story to a reasonable HKUST student, you most probably will meet a disbelief. So far as I was able to observe the thigs and people in the campus, schools like Stanford (more precise, HKUST students are more fond of MIT - shich is probably not a bad choice either) are used here as a role model. Yes, HKUST targets to be a competitor of Stanford in the long run, but I would be really surprised if somebody from the school management would say publicly that HKUST beats Stanford as an educational institution.

To be honest, I've heard the same from many Singaporeans about NTU/NUS and many Chinese students about the MBA programmes at CEIBS/Tsinghua/PKU.

Well, NTU/NUS/SMU are clearly the best Singaporean business schools (INSEAD is not a Singaporean school, it just has a campus in Singapore), CEIBS/Tsinghua/PKU are definetely the best business school in PRC, HKUST is definetely the best business school in HK... When I was back in my homecountry (Latvia), definetely the best business school there also had a big crowd of people saying "it is not good, these guys are __, __, and ___". I think the rumors have very little to do with the real things, but by the presence of rumors we can say how good is the school - the more rumors are there about a reputable school, the higher is the probability that the school is really good - at least, the best in the country/region/whatever.

For a foreigner looking to come to Asia, though, it might be a different matter. If you want to work in the HK financial markets, HKUST may indeed be your best bet, just like Columbia or NYU may be a better bet if you want to work in NY's financial market than even maybe Stanford or Harvard.

Well, I would say more generally - if you want a programme with concentration on Asian business, China business, or things like that, HKUST is better than INSEAD (well, INSEAD is not supposed to prepare people for Asian Business career, and it is not her fault), and better than any other school in Asia (cumulative of ranking + name recognition in and outside Asia + real, not ppp-based salaries of graduates). I was ideally looking for a good MBA with Asian Business concentration to supplement my MPhil Asian Studies degree and four years of work experience in Asia. For me, HKUST was the best choice. If I were looking for a general management school and were indifferent to Asia, I would better go to EDHEC in France rather than to HKUST in HK - costs the same money, but name recognition of EDHEC in Europe, and of France in Asia is better than of HKUST in the world. INSEAD definetely beats HKUST in general management. But not in Asian Business. I stress this again, HKUST is the best Asian school - i.e. an MBA school for people who want to go through MBA with Asian Business concentration. INSEAD does not target this segment, and, understandably, it is not her strength. I don't know why people compare these schools - the idea of "really the best MBA" is just stupid, "the best MBA" is the one which fits YOU in cultural, career, academic, lifestyle etc etc senses. It may be even the University of Vanuatu in Melanesia - for someone who dreams about working with Vanuatu businesses :)

However, if you're looking for name recognition across Asia and maybe beyond, practically everyone in China and increasingly across Asia too knows Tsinghua/PKU. These two schools may not have very strong MBA programmes, but they're beneficiaries of the extremely strong names of their parent schools.

What these school miss at the moment, is the international ranking. If I have to go back to Europe, I can at some extend rely on FT and EIU rankings - although French EDHEC, which is ranked much lower than HKUST will be known in Europe much better. In case of Tsinghua or PKU, if I come back to Europe, I will have a hard time to explain what these schools are - and the rate of success explaining this matter will be much lower. As for CEIBS, I consider it a much worse school than HKUST in reality, and I simply don't want to spend money there.

As for INSEAD, as another Canadian poster has noted, world-wide, many many more people know INSEAD than any other Asian school.

For general management and other general areas - yes, for sure, no discussion. But for a European/American origin person working with Asian Markets in Europe/US/Asia, HKUST may prove to be more beneficial than INSEAD. But this is the only area where these schools really compete. For an Asian person who wants to work in Europe/USA with Asian markets, or who wants to stay in Asia, INSEAD will be more beneficial.

Having said that, I really appreciate your lucid, rational post. You've redeemed the name of HKUST, in my book.

Thanks, mate :)
<blockquote>I think the fact is that people choose their schools for many reasons. I had a friend who rejected Chicago GSB and Wharton for INSEAD. It doesn't mean that INSEAD is better than the others; it just means it fit his needs better. I have also talked to many INSEAD students, and many of them really impressed me. So I guess it really depends on your individual experiences.</blockquote>
I don't 100% agree with you only because I 200% agree with you. If you read my other post, I explicitly say this, or, to be more precise, "try to say this", on this forum - nobody really listens to me. INSEAD and HKUST do not compete, they operate in different segment, target different applicants and different jobs, sometimes the same level jobs and the same employers, but different jobs. They are not comparable - they are like cat and rabbit - two completely different things. I respect INSEAD, and I was thinking about going to INSEAD myself, but I rejected it because it is not that good fit for me as it may be for someone else. The person who preferred Melbourne GSB over INSEAD also did it because of reasons different than ranking. MBA is Studies + Living Experience + Networking, and rankings measure only a small part of each component of these three. In my opinion, those who do not take the whole picture into account simply do not understand what is MBA and would benefit from additional work/life experience before applying to any MBA school at all.

<blockquote>To give another example (anecodotal, but I suspect it may be how many asians think about these schools) today I learnt that in the new world-wide rankings of educational institutions (not just MBA), HKUST is ranked higher than Stanford. When my Hong Kong native friends discovered this, they heaped scorn on HKUST and said that the rankings were just stupid.</blockquote>
Which ranking was it? HKUST should probably be surprised with this either since nobody here position HKUST as an educational institution above Stanford. Are you sure there is no confusion? So far as I know, by one (in my opinion, doubtful) ranking Stanford was N20 (or something like this) in the world, while HKUST was N15 (or something like this) in Asia. But the medias here quoted only numbers - N20 and N15, skipping "in the world" and "in Asia" respectively. A cheap joke, I should say - but not HKUST fault. If you tell this story to a reasonable HKUST student, you most probably will meet a disbelief. So far as I was able to observe the thigs and people in the campus, schools like Stanford (more precise, HKUST students are more fond of MIT - shich is probably not a bad choice either) are used here as a role model. Yes, HKUST targets to be a competitor of Stanford in the long run, but I would be really surprised if somebody from the school management would say publicly that HKUST beats Stanford as an educational institution.

<blockquote>To be honest, I've heard the same from many Singaporeans about NTU/NUS and many Chinese students about the MBA programmes at CEIBS/Tsinghua/PKU. </blockquote>
Well, NTU/NUS/SMU are clearly the best Singaporean business schools (INSEAD is not a Singaporean school, it just has a campus in Singapore), CEIBS/Tsinghua/PKU are definetely the best business school in PRC, HKUST is definetely the best business school in HK... When I was back in my homecountry (Latvia), definetely the best business school there also had a big crowd of people saying "it is not good, these guys are __, __, and ___". I think the rumors have very little to do with the real things, but by the presence of rumors we can say how good is the school - the more rumors are there about a reputable school, the higher is the probability that the school is really good - at least, the best in the country/region/whatever.

<blockquote>For a foreigner looking to come to Asia, though, it might be a different matter. If you want to work in the HK financial markets, HKUST may indeed be your best bet, just like Columbia or NYU may be a better bet if you want to work in NY's financial market than even maybe Stanford or Harvard. </blockquote>
Well, I would say more generally - if you want a programme with concentration on Asian business, China business, or things like that, HKUST is better than INSEAD (well, INSEAD is not supposed to prepare people for Asian Business career, and it is not her fault), and better than any other school in Asia (cumulative of ranking + name recognition in and outside Asia + real, not ppp-based salaries of graduates). I was ideally looking for a good MBA with Asian Business concentration to supplement my MPhil Asian Studies degree and four years of work experience in Asia. For me, HKUST was the best choice. If I were looking for a general management school and were indifferent to Asia, I would better go to EDHEC in France rather than to HKUST in HK - costs the same money, but name recognition of EDHEC in Europe, and of France in Asia is better than of HKUST in the world. INSEAD definetely beats HKUST in general management. But not in Asian Business. I stress this again, HKUST is the best Asian school - i.e. an MBA school for people who want to go through MBA with Asian Business concentration. INSEAD does not target this segment, and, understandably, it is not her strength. I don't know why people compare these schools - the idea of "really the best MBA" is just stupid, "the best MBA" is the one which fits YOU in cultural, career, academic, lifestyle etc etc senses. It may be even the University of Vanuatu in Melanesia - for someone who dreams about working with Vanuatu businesses :)

<blockquote>However, if you're looking for name recognition across Asia and maybe beyond, practically everyone in China and increasingly across Asia too knows Tsinghua/PKU. These two schools may not have very strong MBA programmes, but they're beneficiaries of the extremely strong names of their parent schools. </blockquote>
What these school miss at the moment, is the international ranking. If I have to go back to Europe, I can at some extend rely on FT and EIU rankings - although French EDHEC, which is ranked much lower than HKUST will be known in Europe much better. In case of Tsinghua or PKU, if I come back to Europe, I will have a hard time to explain what these schools are - and the rate of success explaining this matter will be much lower. As for CEIBS, I consider it a much worse school than HKUST in reality, and I simply don't want to spend money there.

<blockquote>As for INSEAD, as another Canadian poster has noted, world-wide, many many more people know INSEAD than any other Asian school.</blockquote>
For general management and other general areas - yes, for sure, no discussion. But for a European/American origin person working with Asian Markets in Europe/US/Asia, HKUST may prove to be more beneficial than INSEAD. But this is the only area where these schools really compete. For an Asian person who wants to work in Europe/USA with Asian markets, or who wants to stay in Asia, INSEAD will be more beneficial.

<blockquote>Having said that, I really appreciate your lucid, rational post. You've redeemed the name of HKUST, in my book.</blockquote>
Thanks, mate :)
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copernicus
im not about to get into a pissing contest with anyone here.
after 3 months @ hong kong ust i definitely made the right decision. wanted to major in finance and "asia" and this is the right choice. there is definitely respect on campus for Insead, but there are simply two different schools for two different types of students.

p.s. do not mess with Vasilijs!

hes a big guy, who literally by himself took out an entire team of the #1 ranked EMBAs in the tug of war contest.
im not about to get into a pissing contest with anyone here.
after 3 months @ hong kong ust i definitely made the right decision. wanted to major in finance and "asia" and this is the right choice. there is definitely respect on campus for Insead, but there are simply two different schools for two different types of students.

p.s. do not mess with Vasilijs!

hes a big guy, who literally by himself took out an entire team of the #1 ranked EMBAs in the tug of war contest.
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gerard
does anybody know how HKUST stacks up against INSEAD in placements?
does anybody know how HKUST stacks up against INSEAD in placements?
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york
Have you seen this: http://www.find-mba.com/board/4491
Have you seen this: http://www.find-mba.com/board/4491
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