MBA programme selection


Hi, I am a QA Analyst from India, with 7 years of experience in software testing. Currently I am holding unconditional offers from UCD, Lancaster, Edinburgh, Durham and Strathclyde and am yet to hear from Warwick. My main objective after completion of the MBA is to switch my domain and industry from IT to Consulting for any of the big 4 companies. Regarding the location of employment I have no preferences untill it's in UK or any other European country.



Moreover I am limited to these schools because of my low GMAT score and my overall budget and waiting another year to improve my scores is not a feasible option for me.



Which amongst the above mentioned Bschools would be good for my requirements and in which order?



PS: Warwick is obviously a better bschool but since I haven't heard from them yet so I am not counting my chances there.



Thank you in advance.

[Edited by Dominic141 on Mar 29, 2023]

Hi, I am a QA Analyst from India, with 7 years of experience in software testing. Currently I am holding unconditional offers from UCD, Lancaster, Edinburgh, Durham and Strathclyde and am yet to hear from Warwick. My main objective after completion of the MBA is to switch my domain and industry from IT to Consulting for any of the big 4 companies. Regarding the location of employment I have no preferences untill it's in UK or any other European country.<br>
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Moreover I am limited to these schools because of my low GMAT score and my overall budget and waiting another year to improve my scores is not a feasible option for me. <br>
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Which amongst the above mentioned Bschools would be good for my requirements and in which order?<br>
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PS: Warwick is obviously a better bschool but since I haven't heard from them yet so I am not counting my chances there. <br>
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Thank you in advance.
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Duncan

I think it's very close between UCD and Durham, depending on the consulting you want to do. Take a look at How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571

Other things being equal, I would pick Durham for the lower cost of living, higher salary and their MBA's consultancy pathway. UCD would likely channel you back into tech. 

I think it's very close between UCD and Durham, depending on the consulting you want to do. Take a look at How to use LinkedIn to find the best school&nbsp;www.find-mba.com/board/33571<br><br>Other things being equal, I would pick Durham for the lower cost of living, higher salary and their MBA's consultancy pathway. UCD would likely channel you back into tech.&nbsp;
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I think it's very close between UCD and Durham, depending on the consulting you want to do. Take a look at How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571

Other things being equal, I would pick Durham for the lower cost of living, higher salary and their MBA's consultancy pathway. UCD would likely channel you back into tech. 


Hi Duncan, 

Thank you for the reply. I wanted to ask about Lancaster MBA. I did some research and found that MBA graduates from Lancaster have found good consultancy opportunities in Big 4 companies and moreover Lancaster MBA as compared to UCD in the past 2-4 years have done fairly better. Don't you think Lancaster MBA would also be a good choice? 

[quote]I think it's very close between UCD and Durham, depending on the consulting you want to do. Take a look at How to use LinkedIn to find the best school&nbsp;www.find-mba.com/board/33571<br><br>Other things being equal, I would pick Durham for the lower cost of living, higher salary and their MBA's consultancy pathway. UCD would likely channel you back into tech.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>Hi Duncan,&nbsp;<br><br>Thank you for the reply. I wanted to ask about Lancaster MBA. I did some research and found that MBA graduates from Lancaster have found good consultancy opportunities in Big 4 companies and moreover Lancaster MBA as compared to UCD in the past 2-4 years have done fairly better. Don't you think Lancaster MBA would also be a good choice?&nbsp;
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Duncan

I can't think of any material basis for saying that Lancaster has done better than UCD, given that Lancaster has fallen out of the top 100. 

I can't think of any material basis for saying that Lancaster has done better than UCD, given that Lancaster has fallen out of the top 100.&nbsp;
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I can't think of any material basis for saying that Lancaster has done better than UCD, given that Lancaster has fallen out of the top 100. 


Thanks for the reply Duncan but when it comes to rankings even UCD in the past 3-4 years haven't  done well and was below Lancaster in terms of FT rankings. The UCD MBA wasn't ranked in 2022 and 2021 and in 2020 it was ranked 99 just making the top 100. Even in 2023 its ranked at 94 which tbh isn't a significant improvement  from their 2020 rank. Whereas the Lancaster MBA's average have been better than UCD's. 

However, keeping the rankings aside as per my research I could see that most Lancaster  MBA graduates have found jobs in the Big 4 firms in Consulting roles. So shouldn't the Lancaster MBA can be considered too in order to get a job in the big 4?

[Edited by Dominic141 on Mar 29, 2023]

[quote]I can't think of any material basis for saying that Lancaster has done better than UCD, given that Lancaster has fallen out of the top 100.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>Thanks for the reply Duncan but when it comes to rankings even UCD in the past 3-4 years haven't&nbsp; done well and was below Lancaster in terms of FT rankings. The UCD MBA wasn't ranked in 2022 and 2021 and in 2020 it was ranked 99 just making the top 100. Even in 2023 its ranked at 94 which tbh isn't a significant improvement&nbsp; from their 2020 rank. Whereas the Lancaster MBA's average have been better than UCD's.&nbsp;<br><br>However, keeping the rankings aside as per my research I could see that most Lancaster&nbsp; MBA graduates have found jobs in the Big 4 firms in Consulting roles. So shouldn't the Lancaster MBA can be considered too in order to get a job in the big 4?
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Duncan

LinkedIn shows 6,000 Lancaster alumni with MBAs. 84 work for the big four. Why do you believe "most Lancaster  MBA graduates have found jobs in the Big 4 firms in Consulting roles"?

LinkedIn shows 6,000 Lancaster alumni with MBAs. 84 work for the big four. Why do you believe "most Lancaster&nbsp; MBA graduates have found jobs in the Big 4 firms in Consulting roles"?
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Hi Duncan,

Thank you once againg for your promt reply. Well my search gave me another result where I could see many Lancaster MBA graduates working in consultancy roles for the Big 4. Maybe I have made a mistake in my research. 
But overall comparing the UCD, Dunham and Lancaster MBA programmes how would you rate them and in which order and since Lancaster is not in the top 100 this year then will that hamper its quality and reputation? Another question, what are the domains that Lancaster MBA graduates find most employment in?

[Edited by Dominic141 on Mar 29, 2023]

Hi Duncan,<br><br>Thank you once againg for your promt reply. Well my search gave me another result where I could see many Lancaster MBA graduates working in consultancy roles for the Big 4. Maybe I have made a mistake in my research.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>But overall comparing the UCD, Dunham and Lancaster MBA programmes how would you rate them and in which order and since Lancaster is not in the top 100 this year then will that hamper its quality and reputation? Another question, what are the domains that Lancaster MBA graduates find most employment in?</div>
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Duncan

84 is many. It's not most. 

Read again my post about using LinkedIn. You could book me for a personal consultation using the details on my profile page but I really think you can answer this yourself  

84 is many. It's not most.&nbsp;<br><br>Read again my post about using LinkedIn. You could book me for a personal consultation using the details on my profile page but I really think you can answer this yourself&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Missim

Hi Dominic141
I've pursued an MBA from Lancaster Uni. The job market in the UK doesn't allow the expats to make a major change in their field of work, unlike India. Most of them didn't care/ know I have the degree. The only pathway course we had was Amazon Operations and most people weren't interested in Operations. A local consulting firm also showed up and selected one person of the lot, who had similar experience earlier. Most (90%) of them have taken up a similar job or one which has transferable skills. The market in the UK is not doing well at the moment either. Would be much better if you stuck with the EU, in my opinion. Basically, LUMS or any school without a high GMAT score doesn't have a head turning reputation. I know a few batchmates who ended up on a salary on the same job that they've would've gotten even back in India. Good luck with the hustle. 

Hi Dominic141<br>I've pursued an MBA from Lancaster Uni. The job market in the UK doesn't allow the expats to make a major change in their field of work, unlike India. Most of them didn't care/ know I have the degree. The only pathway course we had was Amazon Operations and most people weren't interested in Operations. A local consulting firm also showed up and selected one person of the lot, who had similar experience earlier. Most (90%) of them have taken up a similar job or one which has transferable skills. The market in the UK is not doing well at the moment either. Would be much better if you stuck with the EU, in my opinion. Basically, LUMS or any school without a high GMAT score doesn't have a head turning reputation. I know a few batchmates who ended up on a salary on the same job that they've would've gotten even back in India. Good luck with the hustle.&nbsp;
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Duncan

It's is broadly true but there are some exceptions. LBS and AMBS have long degree formats with internships and project opportunities, which are key to career transition. Durham has a few specific pathways, such as consulting, which can work well. Most people wanting to move into a specific business function will be better off taking a specialised MSc in that business function at a top school rather than a general management MBA that a school with no GMAT or a GMAT hurdle below 600. 

It's is broadly true but there are some exceptions. LBS and AMBS have long degree formats with internships and project opportunities, which are key to career transition. Durham has a few specific pathways, such as consulting, which can work well. Most people wanting to move into a specific business function will be better off taking a specialised MSc in that business function at a top school rather than a general management MBA that a school with no GMAT or a GMAT hurdle below 600.&nbsp;
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overlord47

Hi Dominic141
I've pursued an MBA from Lancaster Uni. The job market in the UK doesn't allow the expats to make a major change in their field of work, unlike India. Most of them didn't care/ know I have the degree. The only pathway course we had was Amazon Operations and most people weren't interested in Operations. A local consulting firm also showed up and selected one person of the lot, who had similar experience earlier. Most (90%) of them have taken up a similar job or one which has transferable skills. The market in the UK is not doing well at the moment either. Would be much better if you stuck with the EU, in my opinion. Basically, LUMS or any school without a high GMAT score doesn't have a head turning reputation. I know a few batchmates who ended up on a salary on the same job that they've would've gotten even back in India. Good luck with the hustle. 


I saw your post in this thread and to some extent I agree but it's not always about the GMAT score. I have come across graduates from Warwick, Manchester even Imperial MBA programmes (2020-2021 batch) where the average GMAT is around 650-680, who are still looking for a job. Untill and unless you are of course from the likes of LBS, Cambridge and Oxford no other B School in the UK will guarantee you a job. The employers will definitely look at your previous experience. A GMAT score of 680 with just 3 years or experience will get you into AMBS or WBS but then when looking for a job your lack of experience will hamper the search. The current job market in the UK isn't favourable but there's hope that it will improve by 2025 and it's not only in UK but in most European countries. So the catch is, is an MBA from B Schools like Durham, Lancaster, Warwick, etc. not worth it just because you aren't guaranteed a job? Well in my option that's not the case. No matter where you get your MBA degree from if you don't have the desired experience and skill sets you won't make it big. Having said that your target should be the top 10 regional B schools at least and if your MBA programme falls into that range then you are safe and both Lancaster and Durham falls in that region. Now coming to UCD (as that B school was discussed here) I don't think it's MBA programme is better than Lancaster or Durham. Infact if we go with the FT rankings it's not at a good position as compared to LUMS or Durham. Now is that a bad b school maybe not as it all depends on your ability to make the best use of the programme, to network, refine your skills and find a job. Another point I would like to make is LUMS has a very good reputation with the UK employers and their MBA programme is considered to be in top 10 in the UK so to say that it doesn't have a good reputation seems a bit unfair tbh. 

[Edited by overlord47 on Mar 30, 2023]

[quote]Hi Dominic141<br>I've pursued an MBA from Lancaster Uni. The job market in the UK doesn't allow the expats to make a major change in their field of work, unlike India. Most of them didn't care/ know I have the degree. The only pathway course we had was Amazon Operations and most people weren't interested in Operations. A local consulting firm also showed up and selected one person of the lot, who had similar experience earlier. Most (90%) of them have taken up a similar job or one which has transferable skills. The market in the UK is not doing well at the moment either. Would be much better if you stuck with the EU, in my opinion. Basically, LUMS or any school without a high GMAT score doesn't have a head turning reputation. I know a few batchmates who ended up on a salary on the same job that they've would've gotten even back in India. Good luck with the hustle.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>I saw your post in this thread and to some extent I agree but it's not always about the GMAT score. I have come across graduates from Warwick, Manchester even Imperial MBA programmes (2020-2021 batch) where the average GMAT is around 650-680, who are still looking for a job. Untill and unless you are of course from the likes of LBS, Cambridge and Oxford no other B School in the UK will guarantee you a job. The employers will definitely look at your previous experience. A GMAT score of 680 with just 3 years or experience will get you into AMBS or WBS but then when looking for a job your lack of experience will hamper the search. The current job market in the UK isn't favourable but there's hope that it will improve by 2025 and it's not only in UK but in most European countries. So the catch is, is an MBA from B Schools like Durham, Lancaster, Warwick, etc. not worth it just because you aren't guaranteed a job? Well in my option that's not the case. No matter where you get your MBA degree from if you don't have the desired experience and skill sets you won't make it big. Having said that your target should be the top 10 regional B schools at least and if your MBA programme falls into that range then you are safe and both Lancaster and Durham falls in that region. Now coming to UCD (as that B school was discussed here) I don't think it's MBA programme is better than Lancaster or Durham. Infact if we go with the FT rankings it's not at a good position as compared to LUMS or Durham. Now is that a bad b school maybe not as it all depends on your ability to make the best use of the programme, to network, refine your skills and find a job. Another point I would like to make is LUMS has a very good reputation with the UK employers and their MBA programme is considered to be in top 10 in the UK so to say that it doesn't have a good reputation seems a bit unfair tbh.&nbsp;
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Duncan

If you want to be guaranteed a job, study in India or take a master's in finance. I think what you say about Warwick is unfair. As shown below, the FT ranks these MBAs for employment, from high to low. I think these are pretty good considering the UK economy at the moment:

Over 90%
- Durham University Business School
- Alliance Manchester Business School
- London Business School
- Warwick Business School
- University of Cambridge: Judge
86% to 90%
- Birmingham Business School
- Imperial College Business School
- Cranfield School of Management
- University of Oxford: Saïd
- Bayes Business School (formerly Cass)

If you want to be guaranteed a job, study in India or take a master's in finance. I think what you say about Warwick is unfair. As shown below, the FT ranks these MBAs for employment, from high to low. I think these are pretty good considering the UK economy at the moment:<br><br>Over 90%<br>- Durham University Business School
<div>- Alliance Manchester Business School
</div><div>- London Business School
</div><div>- Warwick Business School
</div><div>- University of Cambridge: Judge</div><br><div>86% to 90%</div><br><div>- Birmingham Business School
</div><div>- Imperial College Business School
</div><div>- Cranfield School of Management
</div><div>- University of Oxford: Saïd
</div><div>- Bayes Business School (formerly Cass)</div>
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overlord47

Hi Duncan,

Well I won't consider Birmingham Business School because it's MBA programme was unranked by FT for quite sometime, as for Cranfield even it's MBA programme fell out of the rankings from 2020 till 2022 (3 consecutive years). Regarding Warwick I talked to a few Indian graduates from Warwick MBA programme (2020-21 and 2021-22 batch) and they said they haven't found a job yet. The above comment that I made related to job opportunities was for Indian students. Regarding Imperial their employability rate in 3 months isn't good too (2021: 80%, 2022: 77% and 2023: 88%) so the average is 82% Even Durham's average 3 months employability rate in the past 3 years isn't good (2021: 73%, 2022: 53% and 2023: 93, Avg: 73%)

The point which I was making is finding a job is based on the skills and abilities of the candidate rather than the brand name of the business school (exceptional cases are LBS, Cambridge and Oxford).

[Edited by overlord47 on Mar 31, 2023]

Hi Duncan,<br><br>Well I won't consider Birmingham Business School because it's MBA programme was unranked by FT for quite sometime, as for Cranfield even it's MBA programme fell out of the rankings from 2020 till 2022 (3 consecutive years). Regarding Warwick I talked to a few Indian graduates from Warwick MBA programme (2020-21 and 2021-22 batch) and they said they haven't found a job yet. The above comment that I made related to job opportunities was for Indian students. Regarding Imperial their employability rate in 3 months isn't good too (2021: 80%, 2022: 77% and 2023: 88%) so the average is 82% Even Durham's average 3 months employability rate in the past 3 years isn't good (2021: 73%, 2022: 53% and 2023: 93, Avg: 73%)<br><br>The point which I was making is finding a job is based on the skills and abilities of the candidate rather than the brand name of the business school (exceptional cases are LBS, Cambridge and Oxford).
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Duncan

If you want to be guaranteed a job, study in India or take a master's in finance

[quote]If you want to be guaranteed a job, study in India or take a master's in finance<br> [/quote]
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overlord47

If you want to be guaranteed a job, study in India or take a master's in finance


Well it's a misconception that candidates are having that if they get into Warwick, Imperial, Durham, Manchester, etc. then they will definitely have a job by the end of the course..which is far from reality. Untill and unless you complete the MBA from the top 3 B Schools, securing a job is not easy in the UK market. An MBA programme is just a gateway to the UK job market, rest is upto you. But as I said the candidates should at least try to get an admit in the top 10 regional business schools. 

[Edited by overlord47 on Mar 30, 2023]

[quote][quote]If you want to be guaranteed a job, study in India or take a master's in finance<br> [/quote] [/quote]<br><br>Well it's a misconception that candidates are having that if they get into Warwick, Imperial, Durham, Manchester, etc. then they will definitely have a job by the end of the course..which is far from reality. Untill and unless you complete the MBA from the top 3 B Schools, securing a job is not easy in the UK market. An MBA programme is just a gateway to the UK job market, rest is upto you. But as I said the candidates should at least try to get an admit in the top 10 regional business schools.&nbsp;
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Duncan

The top schools have excellent placement. 90% and better within three months, in the context of what is happening in the UK post-Brexit, is very impressive. It's on par with the top schools in the US and Europe. 

The top schools have excellent placement. 90% and better within three months, in the context of what is happening in the UK post-Brexit, is very impressive. It's on par with the top schools in the US and Europe.&nbsp;
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overlord47

The top schools have excellent placement. 90% and better within three months, in the context of what is happening in the UK post-Brexit, is very impressive. It's on par with the top schools in the US and Europe. 
 

Hi Duncan, in terms of placements the B schools that have done fairly well (85-90% in employment rates) are LBS, Cambridge, Oxford, Warwick. Whereas I have already stated the employment rates of Durham and Imperial..not so impressive tbh. Last year Durham's employment rate was 53% and it's average 3 year employment rate is 73% even Imperial's avg. employment rate isn't good. But dose that make these B Schools bad, ofcourse not. If your selection falls in the top 10 UK MBA programmes I think you as a candidate have a fairly good chance to get a job post MBA. Imo your B School selection should be amongst these choices: LBS, Cambridge, Oxford, AMBS, Imperial, Warwick, Durham, Lancaster, Bayes and Cranfield in order to have a decent chance to get a job in the UK market within the first 6 months of completing the degree. 

[Edited by overlord47 on Mar 31, 2023]

[quote]The top schools have excellent placement. 90% and better within three months, in the context of what is happening in the UK post-Brexit, is very impressive. It's on par with the top schools in the US and Europe.&nbsp; [/quote]&nbsp;<br><br>Hi Duncan, in terms of placements the B schools that have done fairly well (85-90% in employment rates) are LBS, Cambridge, Oxford, Warwick. Whereas I have already stated the employment rates of Durham and Imperial..not so impressive tbh. Last year Durham's employment rate was 53% and it's average 3 year employment rate is 73% even Imperial's avg. employment rate isn't good. But dose that make these B Schools bad, ofcourse not. If your selection falls in the top 10 UK MBA programmes I think you as a candidate have a fairly good chance to get a job post MBA. Imo your B School selection should be amongst these choices: LBS, Cambridge, Oxford, AMBS, Imperial, Warwick, Durham, Lancaster, Bayes and Cranfield in order to have a decent chance to get a job in the UK market within the first 6 months of completing the degree.&nbsp;
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Obinna

@overlord47 I agree! Might also add Edinburgh there. The cohorts are usually a bit more senior so understandably placement timelines are longer than 3 months tracked by FT but their MBA grads to get into good companies eventually and the programme enjoys good international mobility as well. 

[Edited by Obinna on Mar 31, 2023]

@overlord47 I agree! Might also add Edinburgh there. The cohorts are usually a bit more senior so understandably placement timelines are longer than 3 months tracked by FT but their MBA grads to get into good companies eventually and the programme enjoys good international mobility as well.&nbsp;
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overlord47

@overlord47 I agree! Might also add Edinburgh there. The cohorts are usually a bit more senior so understandably placement timelines are longer than 3 months tracked by FT but their MBA grads to get into good companies eventually and the programme enjoys good international mobility as well. 


Hi Obinna, yeah actually I missed out on Edinburgh sorry for that but definitely will put their MBA programme in this list. 

[quote]@overlord47 I agree! Might also add Edinburgh there. The cohorts are usually a bit more senior so understandably placement timelines are longer than 3 months tracked by FT but their MBA grads to get into good companies eventually and the programme enjoys good international mobility as well.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>Hi Obinna, yeah actually I missed out on Edinburgh sorry for that but definitely will put their MBA programme in this list.&nbsp;
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Duncan

 in terms of placements the B schools that have done fairly well (85-90% in employment rates) are LBS, Cambridge, Oxford, Warwick. Whereas I have already stated the employment rates of Durham and Imperial..not so impressive tbh. Last year Durham's employment rate was 53% and it's average 3 year employment rate is 73% even Imperial's avg. employment rate isn't good.


You are simply mistaken. The FT Global MBA 2023 has the most up-to-date numbers available. All UK schools mentioned have 86% placement or higher.  See https://rankings.ft.com/rankings/2909/mba-2023 

[quote]&nbsp;in terms of placements the B schools that have done fairly well (85-90% in employment rates) are LBS, Cambridge, Oxford, Warwick. Whereas I have already stated the employment rates of Durham and Imperial..not so impressive tbh. Last year Durham's employment rate was 53% and it's average 3 year employment rate is 73% even Imperial's avg. employment rate isn't good. [/quote]<br><br>You are simply mistaken. The FT Global MBA 2023 has the most up-to-date numbers available. All UK schools mentioned have 86% placement or higher.&nbsp; See https://rankings.ft.com/rankings/2909/mba-2023&nbsp;
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