Hi,
I am an Indian female with six years of experience, currently working as an Operations Manager in a consumer goods company in India. I’ve received admission offers from Ivey, RSM, ESMT, and SMU for their full-time MBA programs, starting in January/Spring 2025.
My career goal is to transition into consulting, specifically focusing on operational excellence. My work experience spans finance, project management, and operations, making my professional background quite diverse. While this diversity was manageable during the application/admissions process, I’m concerned about how it might affect my job search post-MBA, especially in securing high-paying roles. I assume employers prefer to hire MBA grads with extensive expertise in a single domain.
From my research and conversations with alumni, I understand that each school has its strengths and challenges:
Ivey: The school is strong in consulting, but I’ve learned that only a small percentage of students secure top-tier consulting roles. Considering the high cost of the program, I’m concerned about the return on investment, especially given the adverse job market in Canada.
ESMT: Feedback suggests that German employers tend to favor graduates from other top German schools, and there are concerns about the effectiveness of the career services at ESMT. Only about 60% of the school's MBA graduates find jobs within 3 months post graduation and the career services don't help much said some.
RSM: Similar concerns have been raised about the career services at RSM, and I’ve also heard about challenges faced by international students, particularly those from Asia, in their treatment specially from the faculty's end. There seems to be bare minimum to no support from the caeer services department of the school.
SMU: Most SMU MBA graduates seem to get into banking. I’ve been informed that consulting opportunities might be more limited, and the market may favor candidates with tech backgrounds.
I’ve also heard that most employers in these countries tend to favor international candidates with engineering or tech backgrounds for post-MBA roles. Is that accurate? Given my non-tech background, I’m concerned about how this might impact my job prospects.
Another thing I've noticed is that employment outcomes post MBA seem to be inflated and exaggerated by the schools considering what alumni have to say about the same.
Language barriers in Germany and the Netherlands also pose a challenge, although I’m actively learning both languages, hoping to initially secure an English-speaking role before transitioning into a more local context.
Given these insights, I’m finding it difficult to justify the significant financial investment required for an MBA, especially with the challenges in securing high-paying jobs in these regions. I would greatly appreciate any insights or advice from those familiar with these programs or who have navigated similar decisions.
Thank you for your time and assistance.
Seeking Guidance on MBA Program Selection
Posted Aug 29, 2024 09:54
I am an Indian female with six years of experience, currently working as an Operations Manager in a consumer goods company in India. I’ve received admission offers from Ivey, RSM, ESMT, and SMU for their full-time MBA programs, starting in January/Spring 2025.
My career goal is to transition into consulting, specifically focusing on operational excellence. My work experience spans finance, project management, and operations, making my professional background quite diverse. While this diversity was manageable during the application/admissions process, I’m concerned about how it might affect my job search post-MBA, especially in securing high-paying roles. I assume employers prefer to hire MBA grads with extensive expertise in a single domain.
From my research and conversations with alumni, I understand that each school has its strengths and challenges:
Ivey: The school is strong in consulting, but I’ve learned that only a small percentage of students secure top-tier consulting roles. Considering the high cost of the program, I’m concerned about the return on investment, especially given the adverse job market in Canada.
ESMT: Feedback suggests that German employers tend to favor graduates from other top German schools, and there are concerns about the effectiveness of the career services at ESMT. Only about 60% of the school's MBA graduates find jobs within 3 months post graduation and the career services don't help much said some.
RSM: Similar concerns have been raised about the career services at RSM, and I’ve also heard about challenges faced by international students, particularly those from Asia, in their treatment specially from the faculty's end. There seems to be bare minimum to no support from the caeer services department of the school.
SMU: Most SMU MBA graduates seem to get into banking. I’ve been informed that consulting opportunities might be more limited, and the market may favor candidates with tech backgrounds.
I’ve also heard that most employers in these countries tend to favor international candidates with engineering or tech backgrounds for post-MBA roles. Is that accurate? Given my non-tech background, I’m concerned about how this might impact my job prospects.
Another thing I've noticed is that employment outcomes post MBA seem to be inflated and exaggerated by the schools considering what alumni have to say about the same.
Language barriers in Germany and the Netherlands also pose a challenge, although I’m actively learning both languages, hoping to initially secure an English-speaking role before transitioning into a more local context.
Given these insights, I’m finding it difficult to justify the significant financial investment required for an MBA, especially with the challenges in securing high-paying jobs in these regions. I would greatly appreciate any insights or advice from those familiar with these programs or who have navigated similar decisions.
Thank you for your time and assistance.
Posted Aug 29, 2024 14:44
You might want to explore MBA programs in other countries known for consulting, such as the US or UK. Why have you selected these schools rather than only 'the usual suspects'? https://find-mba.com/lists/top-business-schools-for-consulting
PS When you say SMU, I assume you mean SMU in Singapore rather than SMU in Texas.
[Edited by Duncan on Aug 29, 2024]
PS When you say SMU, I assume you mean SMU in Singapore rather than SMU in Texas.
Posted Aug 29, 2024 17:14
Yes, I'm sorry about the confusion. I am indeed referring to SMU in Singapore. The reason I selected these schools is that I was aiming to apply for the nearest intake that offered alternative test options/test waiver, as I didn’t have a GMAT score at the time. Due to some personal circumstances, I’m unable to push my MBA plans to the next cycle (fall '25), so I focused on the best available options under these constraints.
I appreciate your input and would be grateful for any further advice you might have.
I appreciate your input and would be grateful for any further advice you might have.
Posted Aug 29, 2024 20:57
Take a look at https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-mbas-for-international-students-placement-35651
Posted Aug 29, 2024 21:01
Given your preferences, I recommend taking the GMAT or GRE urgently and applying to better schools. Insead and HEC come to mind. With your current options, Ivey is probably your best option.
Posted Aug 30, 2024 06:32
Given your preferences, I recommend taking the GMAT or GRE urgently and applying to better schools. Insead and HEC come to mind. With your current options, Ivey is probably your best option.
I can't delay my MBA plans to Fall '25; otherwise, I would have targeted better schools.
My main concern is that most well-placed international alumni from the schools I've mentioned (and even some from other top business schools) seem to have pre-MBA backgrounds in the tech sector. Coming from a completely non-tech background, I'm worried this might negatively impact my job prospects.
Additionally, do you have any insights into IE's full-time MBA, particularly regarding employability for international candidates? I’ve heard that securing a job in Spain that justifies the cost of the IE MBA can be extremely challenging. A few past graduates I reached out to mentioned that finding jobs in general was tough.
These programs are all well-ranked and marketed with promising prospects, so it's concerning to hear that the post-MBA journey can be so difficult. I've also heard that the MBA degree itself may not be as highly valued by employers as it once was. Would you agree with this sentiment?
[Edited by brianna on Aug 30, 2024]
I can't delay my MBA plans to Fall '25; otherwise, I would have targeted better schools. <br><br>
My main concern is that most well-placed international alumni from the schools I've mentioned (and even some from other top business schools) seem to have pre-MBA backgrounds in the tech sector. Coming from a completely non-tech background, I'm worried this might negatively impact my job prospects.<br><br><br>
Additionally, do you have any insights into IE's full-time MBA, particularly regarding employability for international candidates? I’ve heard that securing a job in Spain that justifies the cost of the IE MBA can be extremely challenging. A few past graduates I reached out to mentioned that finding jobs in general was tough.
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These programs are all well-ranked and marketed with promising prospects, so it's concerning to hear that the post-MBA journey can be so difficult. I've also heard that the MBA degree itself may not be as highly valued by employers as it once was. Would you agree with this sentiment?
Posted Aug 30, 2024 11:51
The IE school is a sleek business. I am not fully convinced. I have taken mooc courses by IE professors and they are very very good.
Check this out
https://poetsandquants.com/2018/01/28/why-ie-business-school-lost-its-ft-ranking/
If you want quality education you will get it. If you want job, not speaking Espanol is a real challenge
Check this out
https://poetsandquants.com/2018/01/28/why-ie-business-school-lost-its-ft-ranking/
If you want quality education you will get it. If you want job, not speaking Espanol is a real challenge
Posted Aug 30, 2024 12:36
I can't delay my MBA plans to Fall '25; otherwise, I would have targeted better schools.
Did someone suggest you delay until Fall 25? I recommended INSEAD and HEC Paris because they have January start dates.
My main concern is that most well-placed international alumni from the schools I've mentioned (and even some from other top business schools) seem to have pre-MBA backgrounds in the tech sector.
I suggest you look at placement and employment reports, because your perception is mistaken. At HEC, for example, 16% of the cohort starts off in tech but 37% ends up in consulting. Therefore, most people in consulting do not come from tech.
I can't delay my MBA plans to Fall '25; otherwise, I would have targeted better schools. [/quote]
Did someone suggest you delay until Fall 25? I recommended INSEAD and HEC Paris because they have January start dates.
[quote]
My main concern is that most well-placed international alumni from the schools I've mentioned (and even some from other top business schools) seem to have pre-MBA backgrounds in the tech sector.[/quote]
I suggest you look at placement and employment reports, because your perception is mistaken. At HEC, for example, 16% of the cohort starts off in tech but 37% ends up in consulting. Therefore, most people in consulting do not come from tech.
Posted Aug 31, 2024 09:00
The IE school is a sleek business. I am not fully convinced. I have taken mooc courses by IE professors and they are very very good.
Check this out
https://poetsandquants.com/2018/01/28/why-ie-business-school-lost-its-ft-ranking/
If you want quality education you will get it. If you want job, not speaking Espanol is a real challenge
Yes, I recevied the same feedback from the school's alum. Would you happen to have any opinions to share about Ivey, RSM or ESMT?
Check this out
https://poetsandquants.com/2018/01/28/why-ie-business-school-lost-its-ft-ranking/
If you want quality education you will get it. If you want job, not speaking Espanol is a real challenge [/quote]
Yes, I recevied the same feedback from the school's alum. Would you happen to have any opinions to share about Ivey, RSM or ESMT?
Posted Aug 31, 2024 09:05
I can't delay my MBA plans to Fall '25; otherwise, I would have targeted better schools.
Did someone suggest you delay until Fall 25? I recommended INSEAD and HEC Paris because they have January start dates.
INSEAD has closed admissions for the Jan '25 intake, and HEC doesn't offer GMAT waivers or alternative tests. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to prepare and achieve a top score within the next couple of weeks to meet HEC's upcoming deadline. Delaying to the following round would be risky for me, especially considering the visa processing time and other preparations required before relocating.
I can't delay my MBA plans to Fall '25; otherwise, I would have targeted better schools. [/quote]
Did someone suggest you delay until Fall 25? I recommended INSEAD and HEC Paris because they have January start dates.
[/quote]
INSEAD has closed admissions for the Jan '25 intake, and HEC doesn't offer GMAT waivers or alternative tests. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to prepare and achieve a top score within the next couple of weeks to meet HEC's upcoming deadline. Delaying to the following round would be risky for me, especially considering the visa processing time and other preparations required before relocating.
Posted Aug 31, 2024 09:09
My main concern is that most well-placed international alumni from the schools I've mentioned (and even some from other top business schools) seem to have pre-MBA backgrounds in the tech sector.
I suggest you look at placement and employment reports, because your perception is mistaken. At HEC, for example, 16% of the cohort starts off in tech but 37% ends up in consulting. Therefore, most people in consulting do not come from tech.
Based on conversations I've had with alumni from the schools I've applied to, I've learned that schools tend to inflate their employment reports. This makes it challenging to rely solely on such data. I haven't researched HEC specifically since I didn't apply there, so I can't speak to their reporting practices.
My main concern is that most well-placed international alumni from the schools I've mentioned (and even some from other top business schools) seem to have pre-MBA backgrounds in the tech sector.[/quote]
I suggest you look at placement and employment reports, because your perception is mistaken. At HEC, for example, 16% of the cohort starts off in tech but 37% ends up in consulting. Therefore, most people in consulting do not come from tech. [/quote]
Based on conversations I've had with alumni from the schools I've applied to, I've learned that schools tend to inflate their employment reports. This makes it challenging to rely solely on such data. I haven't researched HEC specifically since I didn't apply there, so I can't speak to their reporting practices.
Posted Sep 01, 2024 08:27
The FT placement data also track employers. These are audited by KPMG. I think schools are generally careful with their reporting.
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