Best MBAs for international students' placement


Duncan

Business School Lausanne is not a university, so I suggest you avoid that totally.

UoB is okay, but without fluent Catalan and Spanish you will find it very hard to find work there. Since you are from South East Asia, I think that can be excluded.

Birmingham is much much better as a school than Aston (although Aston is certainly good, and better than UoBarcelona), and the two year programme gives you many more opportunities to do internships and projects, to improve your soft skills and management skills, and to network your way into a job.

[Edited by Duncan on Nov 27, 2019]

Business School Lausanne is not a university, so I suggest you avoid that totally.

UoB is okay, but without fluent Catalan and Spanish you will find it very hard to find work there. Since you are from South East Asia, I think that can be excluded.

Birmingham is much much better as a school than Aston (although Aston is certainly good, and better than UoBarcelona), and the two year programme gives you many more opportunities to do internships and projects, to improve your soft skills and management skills, and to network your way into a job.
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Dear Duncan

I am a military veteran (India) with 12 years of Technical (Military) experience and 1+ year of corporate experience. I have got admits from Cranfield (FT MBA) , Ryerson (both FT MBA and MTI), Schulich (Waitlist). I am looking for specialization in Operations/ Supply chain as it aligns with my previous work experience.
Cranfield: Scholarship (GBP 14000)+ 13 months course. Ranks 7th in Supply chain domain worldwide (2013 Report). But due to strict Visa rules It will be difficult to find a suitable job post MBA. Uncertain scenario due to BREXIT.
Ryerson 22 months+No Scholarship. Visa rules are lenient as compared to UK. I may opt for PR there. Job hunting will not be as difficult as in UK.

There is no employment report available for these schools.

Please help me decide which B School to choose. Kindly advice if I should be applying to any other school.

Regards

Dear Duncan

I am a military veteran (India) with 12 years of Technical (Military) experience and 1+ year of corporate experience. I have got admits from Cranfield (FT MBA) , Ryerson (both FT MBA and MTI), Schulich (Waitlist). I am looking for specialization in Operations/ Supply chain as it aligns with my previous work experience.
Cranfield: Scholarship (GBP 14000)+ 13 months course. Ranks 7th in Supply chain domain worldwide (2013 Report). But due to strict Visa rules It will be difficult to find a suitable job post MBA. Uncertain scenario due to BREXIT.
Ryerson 22 months+No Scholarship. Visa rules are lenient as compared to UK. I may opt for PR there. Job hunting will not be as difficult as in UK.

There is no employment report available for these schools.

Please help me decide which B School to choose. Kindly advice if I should be applying to any other school.

Regards
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Duncan

I suggest people reply on the other thread where you have asked the same question .

I suggest people reply on the other thread where you have asked the same question .
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Duncan

I've updated this post with the 2019 FT ranking data.

PS As a Brit, it's nice to see two of our ancient universities, Oxford and Edinburgh, getting into the top 20 this year despite the growing concerns over Brexit. Next year's data might show a different outcome, sadly.

[Edited by Duncan on Mar 16, 2019]

I've updated this post with the 2019 FT ranking data.

PS As a Brit, it's nice to see two of our ancient universities, Oxford and Edinburgh, getting into the top 20 this year despite the growing concerns over Brexit. Next year's data might show a different outcome, sadly.
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mba hipste...

This is a really valuable resource, Duncan, thanks for keeping it up to date! It's good to see that a couple of German schools are in there, WHU seems to be a good value for those seeking international mobility.

HEC Paris is ranked #3 for international mobility in the FT, did it get cut because of poor career services?

Also, it's not exactly surprising but there are still no US schools here....

This is a really valuable resource, Duncan, thanks for keeping it up to date! It's good to see that a couple of German schools are in there, WHU seems to be a good value for those seeking international mobility.

HEC Paris is ranked #3 for international mobility in the FT, did it get cut because of poor career services?

Also, it's not exactly surprising but there are still no US schools here....
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Duncan

Yes, HEC is ranked 87th out of the 100 FT schools for its career service. Among European schools, Mannheim, IE and Grenoble did even worse. Generally, the mainland European schools do poorly and I think that might be simply about the shortage of roles for MBAs who don't speak the local language. That's not much of an issue for US or UK schools, or those serving international recruiters like Insead or IMD. Indeed, it would be fascinating to discover how WHU is able to get such a good score on that.

Yes, HEC is ranked 87th out of the 100 FT schools for its career service. Among European schools, Mannheim, IE and Grenoble did even worse. Generally, the mainland European schools do poorly and I think that might be simply about the shortage of roles for MBAs who don't speak the local language. That's not much of an issue for US or UK schools, or those serving international recruiters like Insead or IMD. Indeed, it would be fascinating to discover how WHU is able to get such a good score on that.
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Hello Duncan,

Many thanks for your efforts to answer the queries of MBA aspirants.
I am Indian Male from Automotive R&D, having 14 years of experience.
Applied to Warwick, Carnfield & Durham.
Got admit from Durham with unconditional offer.
Also got admit from Warwick & Cranfield but GMAT score condition as 600+.
Not given GMAT yet, need to submit GMAT score by 21st May to Warwick.
Cranfield may give more time.
Please guide me, I am not sure to get 600 GMAT score.
In this case Durham is good bet to join....as I am too old for full time MBA but has great zeal to learn & contribute so wanted to join full time MBA.
Deferring for another year for GMAT score will be wise decision.
In case want to do MBA this year should go for Durham or Trinity (as applied & will get the offer).
Please guide me.
Thanking you in advance,
Siraj.

Given GMAT got score of 280.
Warwick said improve score to 660 or withdraw.
Cornfield advised to defer next year & get score 600+.
Durham MBA is in hand. Considering my 15 years of experience & post MBA would like to to do job in UK......You will advise me to join Durham.
please reply your advise matter to me a lot.

[Edited by siraj shaikh on May 31, 2019]

Hello Duncan,

Many thanks for your efforts to answer the queries of MBA aspirants.
I am Indian Male from Automotive R&D, having 14 years of experience.
Applied to Warwick, Carnfield & Durham.
Got admit from Durham with unconditional offer.
Also got admit from Warwick & Cranfield but GMAT score condition as 600+.
Not given GMAT yet, need to submit GMAT score by 21st May to Warwick.
Cranfield may give more time.
Please guide me, I am not sure to get 600 GMAT score.
In this case Durham is good bet to join....as I am too old for full time MBA but has great zeal to learn & contribute so wanted to join full time MBA.
Deferring for another year for GMAT score will be wise decision.
In case want to do MBA this year should go for Durham or Trinity (as applied & will get the offer).
Please guide me.
Thanking you in advance,
Siraj.

Given GMAT got score of 280.
Warwick said improve score to 660 or withdraw.
Cornfield advised to defer next year & get score 600+.
Durham MBA is in hand. Considering my 15 years of experience & post MBA would like to to do job in UK......You will advise me to join Durham.
please reply your advise matter to me a lot.
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Duncan

Warwick and Cranfield are much better schools. Take the GMAT. If you don't hit 600, perhaps they might give you more time. If not, the added value they represent does justify deferring entry a year.

Honestly, don't be too scared of the GMAT. It's high school maths. You would have got 600 when you were 13. It really is hard to get 760. 600 can be done. Book your exam date tomorrow.

Warwick and Cranfield are much better schools. Take the GMAT. If you don't hit 600, perhaps they might give you more time. If not, the added value they represent does justify deferring entry a year.

Honestly, don't be too scared of the GMAT. It's high school maths. You would have got 600 when you were 13. It really is hard to get 760. 600 can be done. Book your exam date tomorrow.
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Koobies

Hi Duncan,

I have more than 10 years of experience in operations, digital marketing and finance. I am in the process of finalizing my MBA (too late for GMAT) and came across this thread. I have also had discussions with Mannheim, ESMT and WHU, but they need GMAT score which would make me lose 6-9 months. Also UK is my preferred choice for language reasons as learning language along with MBA seems improbable to me. Between the following schools please suggest which one would be best in terms of a mix salary and placement within Europe :
1)Durham
2)Strathclyde University
3) Vlerick
4) Any other good schools in UK with a good mix of salary n placement (w/o GMAT)

Thanks

Hi Duncan,

I have more than 10 years of experience in operations, digital marketing and finance. I am in the process of finalizing my MBA (too late for GMAT) and came across this thread. I have also had discussions with Mannheim, ESMT and WHU, but they need GMAT score which would make me lose 6-9 months. Also UK is my preferred choice for language reasons as learning language along with MBA seems improbable to me. Between the following schools please suggest which one would be best in terms of a mix salary and placement within Europe :
1)Durham
2)Strathclyde University
3) Vlerick
4) Any other good schools in UK with a good mix of salary n placement (w/o GMAT)

Thanks
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Duncan

The next GMAT appointment is not nine months away. Given your age you should aim for the best MBA for your goal. I dont know your goal, but the schools you mentioned are probably not the best.

The next GMAT appointment is not nine months away. Given your age you should aim for the best MBA for your goal. I dont know your goal, but the schools you mentioned are probably not the best.
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Koobies

Thanks for the response Duncan.
6-9 months were in reference to next intake of the Uni's. I am an international candidate and most of the Uni's application would be closed by 31st May for Intl. students. So 600-650 seems far fetched in such short time.
But what you said makes sense. My goal is to get top money. It could be working with startups, entrepreneur or anything else. Should I consider QS ROI ranking in conjunction with FT ranking to make a informed decision?

Thanks for the response Duncan.
6-9 months were in reference to next intake of the Uni's. I am an international candidate and most of the Uni's application would be closed by 31st May for Intl. students. So 600-650 seems far fetched in such short time.
But what you said makes sense. My goal is to get top money. It could be working with startups, entrepreneur or anything else. Should I consider QS ROI ranking in conjunction with FT ranking to make a informed decision?
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Duncan

Read the post at the start of this thread and the posts linked from my profile page about why you should take the GMAT and about how to use LinkedIn. You might not know what your GMAT score would be if you took it today. If so, get a book that includes practice tests and take a practice test in one sitting ASAP. If you have better than average experience, an average but balanced GMAT and if you apply with a school with fewer than average international students, then you might be accepted.

However, consider the huge different in salaries after the GMAT it makes sense to take more time and get into a great programme rather than rush into a weak one.

Also, focus more on your goals. Start-ups and entrepreneurs are frugal and often don't hire MBAs. MBAs might be more likely to start up a business than to join a start-up.

Read the post at the start of this thread and the posts linked from my profile page about why you should take the GMAT and about how to use LinkedIn. You might not know what your GMAT score would be if you took it today. If so, get a book that includes practice tests and take a practice test in one sitting ASAP. If you have better than average experience, an average but balanced GMAT and if you apply with a school with fewer than average international students, then you might be accepted.

However, consider the huge different in salaries after the GMAT it makes sense to take more time and get into a great programme rather than rush into a weak one.

Also, focus more on your goals. Start-ups and entrepreneurs are frugal and often don't hire MBAs. MBAs might be more likely to start up a business than to join a start-up.
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Larry

Thanks for the response Duncan.
6-9 months were in reference to next intake of the Uni's. I am an international candidate and most of the Uni's application would be closed by 31st May for Intl. students. So 600-650 seems far fetched in such short time.
But what you said makes sense. My goal is to get top money. It could be working with startups, entrepreneur or anything else. Should I consider QS ROI ranking in conjunction with FT ranking to make a informed decision?

You should really be aiming for fall 2020 at this point, or at the earliest a spring 2020 intake. If you can get into an MBA program now, for fall 2019, it will probably not be a good one. Unless you rush and apply for the GWU MBA, which I believe has a closing date of June 7. Otherwise, you'd be settling for something sub par.

[quote]Thanks for the response Duncan.
6-9 months were in reference to next intake of the Uni's. I am an international candidate and most of the Uni's application would be closed by 31st May for Intl. students. So 600-650 seems far fetched in such short time.
But what you said makes sense. My goal is to get top money. It could be working with startups, entrepreneur or anything else. Should I consider QS ROI ranking in conjunction with FT ranking to make a informed decision?
[/quote]
You should really be aiming for fall 2020 at this point, or at the earliest a spring 2020 intake. If you can get into an MBA program now, for fall 2019, it will probably not be a good one. Unless you rush and apply for the GWU MBA, which I believe has a closing date of June 7. Otherwise, you'd be settling for something sub par.
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Warwick and Cranfield are much better schools. Take the GMAT. If you don't hit 600, perhaps they might give you more time. If not, the added value they represent does justify deferring entry a year.

Honestly, don't be too scared of the GMAT. It's high school maths. You would have got 600 when you were 13. It really is hard to get 760. 600 can be done. Book your exam date tomorrow.


Given GMAT got score of 280.
Warwick said improve score to 660 or withdraw.
Cornfield advised to defer next year & get score 600+.
Durham MBA is in hand. Considering my 15 years of experience & post MBA would like to to do job in UK......You will advise me to join Durham.
please reply your advise matter to me a lot.

[Edited by siraj shaikh on May 31, 2019]

[quote]Warwick and Cranfield are much better schools. Take the GMAT. If you don't hit 600, perhaps they might give you more time. If not, the added value they represent does justify deferring entry a year.

Honestly, don't be too scared of the GMAT. It's high school maths. You would have got 600 when you were 13. It really is hard to get 760. 600 can be done. Book your exam date tomorrow. [/quote]

Given GMAT got score of 280.
Warwick said improve score to 660 or withdraw.
Cornfield advised to defer next year & get score 600+.
Durham MBA is in hand. Considering my 15 years of experience & post MBA would like to to do job in UK......You will advise me to join Durham.
please reply your advise matter to me a lot.
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Duncan

280 is a very odd score. Not just a low one. I guess it's been a long time since you took a test like that?

Durham is well below the quality you should aim at. International mobility is key for you.

280 is a very odd score. Not just a low one. I guess it's been a long time since you took a test like that?

Durham is well below the quality you should aim at. International mobility is key for you.
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Hello Duncan,
Many thanks for your advise.
How good is the Durham option if I decided to start my own business in Durham as supporting eco system exist there.
Business Durham is helping to grow the entrepreneurship at Durham to boost industry in north of UK.
Also, if I decide to join the Durham in Sep. what will be best & positive aspect of the MBA will be so that I can leverage during program.
Please guide me.
Thanking you,
warm regards,
Siraj.

Hello Duncan,
Many thanks for your advise.
How good is the Durham option if I decided to start my own business in Durham as supporting eco system exist there.
Business Durham is helping to grow the entrepreneurship at Durham to boost industry in north of UK.
Also, if I decide to join the Durham in Sep. what will be best & positive aspect of the MBA will be so that I can leverage during program.
Please guide me.
Thanking you,
warm regards,
Siraj.
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Duncan

Durham's not on my radar as a strong school for entrepreneurship, but maybe it is. Like most UK universities, is can sponsor you after your degree: https://www.gov.uk/tier-1-graduate-entrepreneur-visa

I would also suggest: https://www.mbs.ac.uk/study/masters/ment-master-of-enterprise/

Durham's not on my radar as a strong school for entrepreneurship, but maybe it is. Like most UK universities, is can sponsor you after your degree: https://www.gov.uk/tier-1-graduate-entrepreneur-visa

I would also suggest: https://www.mbs.ac.uk/study/masters/ment-master-of-enterprise/
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Just wanted to add my thanks to you Duncun for giving a nice review of options for International Students. I am from the US and I will be heading to Edinburgh for the Fall 2020 term, and I hope that I will be one of the positive outcomes for an international student finding work post MBA. It's not the top of your list, but I wanted to move to Scotland, and it seems like I have landed at the best uni I could.

Just wanted to add my thanks to you Duncun for giving a nice review of options for International Students. I am from the US and I will be heading to Edinburgh for the Fall 2020 term, and I hope that I will be one of the positive outcomes for an international student finding work post MBA. It's not the top of your list, but I wanted to move to Scotland, and it seems like I have landed at the best uni I could.
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Duncan

It's an amazing city. I'm very happy doing my PhD here.

It's an amazing city. I'm very happy doing my PhD here.
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Lingerb

Nice list, Duncan. The appearance of Bath and Durham in this list is quite surprising, given their relatively low status in the ranking, the tight UK visa laws, and their locations. They seem like good values for international students who want transition to the UK.


I guess this reply is referring to older information? I do not see either Bath or Durham at all in this list.

[quote]Nice list, Duncan. The appearance of Bath and Durham in this list is quite surprising, given their relatively low status in the ranking, the tight UK visa laws, and their locations. They seem like good values for international students who want transition to the UK. [/quote]

I guess this reply is referring to older information? I do not see either Bath or Durham at all in this list.
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