UK or France


Azakaria

hello all, i'm applied to masters in management in France in IESEG and i got accepted, its fees is withing my budget. but a friend of mine said that UK is much better in MIB and i should study in UK not in France as it would weight more in my CV to have masters from UK.
UK is expensive for me but i found universities with fees like 1000 GBP in a year.
i targeted France at first because it's less expensive than UK and IESEG is ranked and withing my budget and i want to learn French. but i think now that i made the wrong choose and is should have looked in UK. please advice

hello all, i'm applied to masters in management in France in IESEG and i got accepted, its fees is withing my budget. but a friend of mine said that UK is much better in MIB and i should study in UK not in France as it would weight more in my CV to have masters from UK.
UK is expensive for me but i found universities with fees like 1000 GBP in a year.
i targeted France at first because it's less expensive than UK and IESEG is ranked and withing my budget and i want to learn French. but i think now that i made the wrong choose and is should have looked in UK. please advice
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Duncan

What are your goals? Why are you looking at only the UK and France, given that the world is a big place?

There are no British universities with fees of 1000 GBP per year.

What are your goals? Why are you looking at only the UK and France, given that the world is a big place?

There are no British universities with fees of 1000 GBP per year.
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Azakaria

i think about UK and France because they are the top countries in business field, i don't have a specific goals i just want to do masters and find a job in the country i'll study in.
Isn't uk have colleges with low fees like Germany ?

i think about UK and France because they are the top countries in business field, i don't have a specific goals i just want to do masters and find a job in the country i'll study in.
Isn't uk have colleges with low fees like Germany ?
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Duncan

No the UK is the most expensive European country. Do you speak French? What sort of work do you plan to do there? It might be better to first perfect your knowledge of the local language and then take a course taught in it.

No the UK is the most expensive European country. Do you speak French? What sort of work do you plan to do there? It might be better to first perfect your knowledge of the local language and then take a course taught in it.
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laurie

Yes, if you don't speak any French now I think it would be difficult to get your language skills up to the fluency you'd need to land a job in the country in such a short amount of time, especially if you're enrolled in school. Depending on what schools you're looking at, the UK might be a better option, but of course will be more expensive.

For your best results in landing a job in the UK after graduating, look at the ranked business schools: LBS, Imperial, Warwick, Cass, etc.

Yes, if you don't speak any French now I think it would be difficult to get your language skills up to the fluency you'd need to land a job in the country in such a short amount of time, especially if you're enrolled in school. Depending on what schools you're looking at, the UK might be a better option, but of course will be more expensive.

For your best results in landing a job in the UK after graduating, look at the ranked business schools: LBS, Imperial, Warwick, Cass, etc.
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Hi Laurie,

How would you rate Lancaster and Birmingham when compared to Cranfield, Warwick, Manchester, Imperial, Cass etc....In latest FT rankings Lancaster is better than all these schools (ranked equal to imperial)....any suggestion would be very helpful....

Hi Laurie,

How would you rate Lancaster and Birmingham when compared to Cranfield, Warwick, Manchester, Imperial, Cass etc....In latest FT rankings Lancaster is better than all these schools (ranked equal to imperial)....any suggestion would be very helpful....
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Duncan

Compare the salaries: that's the one element in the ranking that the schools cannot game.

Compare the salaries: that's the one element in the ranking that the schools cannot game.
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So are you suggesting Lancaster is gaming the rankings and the rise is not well deserved? I always believed its among top 10 MBA in UK....is it not true? Honestly I don't think there is much difference bw salaries of Lancaster, Imperial and Warwick. Yes Cranfield, Manchester and Cass are leading by a margin. But I doubt if salary should be the only criteria? Isn't it true that incoming cohort of Imperial Cass etc have more senior students already getting better pre MBA salaries..

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So are you suggesting Lancaster is gaming the rankings and the rise is not well deserved? I always believed its among top 10 MBA in UK....is it not true? Honestly I don't think there is much difference bw salaries of Lancaster, Imperial and Warwick. Yes Cranfield, Manchester and Cass are leading by a margin. But I doubt if salary should be the only criteria? Isn't it true that incoming cohort of Imperial Cass etc have more senior students already getting better pre MBA salaries..
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Duncan

The most recent rankings are clearly exceptional. The three-year average has it at ninth, and then suddenly it is fourth. I don't think that is sustainable when you consider that there's been no identifiable change in the design of the MBA or its selectivity, or the salary of graduates. The very high increase, viewed alongside the low salary, suggests that Lancaster is recruiting less able candidates because it can get them into the labour market a little more easily with the low salary (although employment is still below average for a UK school).

So, yes, in my opinion the idea that Lancaster is on a par with Imperial, Manchester, or Cass is quite counter-intuitive and will be very hard to sustain if the salaries and employment stay low. Certainly it suggests some flaws in the methodolgy.

The most recent rankings are clearly exceptional. The three-year average has it at ninth, and then suddenly it is fourth. I don't think that is sustainable when you consider that there's been no identifiable change in the design of the MBA or its selectivity, or the salary of graduates. The very high increase, viewed alongside the low salary, suggests that Lancaster is recruiting less able candidates because it can get them into the labour market a little more easily with the low salary (although employment is still below average for a UK school).

So, yes, in my opinion the idea that Lancaster is on a par with Imperial, Manchester, or Cass is quite counter-intuitive and will be very hard to sustain if the salaries and employment stay low. Certainly it suggests some flaws in the methodolgy.
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Thanks Duncan for the the insight. Could you please suggest me something: I am a marketing analytics professional with more than 7 years experience. I have worked with some of the BIG 4 Deloitte and EY namely but ofcourse in market analytics profile. I aspire to work for Big 4 or any other firm in a Marketing Consultant role. I have already enrolled for Lancaster MBA and paid the initial fees.However, would you suggest Msc in Marketing from a better B-School - Imperial, Warwick, Cranfield or UCD (Msc - Marketing Practice i heard is a fantastic course) for my career goals instead of MBA from Lancaster?....and how about Msc in Business Consulting from Warwick?

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Thanks Duncan for the the insight. Could you please suggest me something: I am a marketing analytics professional with more than 7 years experience. I have worked with some of the BIG 4 Deloitte and EY namely but ofcourse in market analytics profile. I aspire to work for Big 4 or any other firm in a Marketing Consultant role. I have already enrolled for Lancaster MBA and paid the initial fees.However, would you suggest Msc in Marketing from a better B-School - Imperial, Warwick, Cranfield or UCD (Msc - Marketing Practice i heard is a fantastic course) for my career goals instead of MBA from Lancaster?....and how about Msc in Business Consulting from Warwick?
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Duncan

I would need to know much more about you and the practicality of that goal to really give a clear recommendation, and for that you can read on my profile page about how to book a session. However, if you use this approach -- How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571 -- you can do a lot yourself.

Can Lancaster connect you with an MBA alum who has made that transition? Maybe you can contact someone like this alumna (https://uk.linkedin.com/in/maria-nedashkovskaya-58b84b47)?

I would need to know much more about you and the practicality of that goal to really give a clear recommendation, and for that you can read on my profile page about how to book a session. However, if you use this approach -- How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571 -- you can do a lot yourself.

Can Lancaster connect you with an MBA alum who has made that transition? Maybe you can contact someone like this alumna (https://uk.linkedin.com/in/maria-nedashkovskaya-58b84b47)?
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Hello, I have received an offer from France (Grenoble Ecole de Management) and from UK universities ( Exeter ,Essex, Sheffield, East Anglia and York) For International Management program. I would like to know which university and country I should go for?

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StuartBB

What are your goals? Why these schools? Is your offer from the GEM campus in Grenoble, or a franchise partner? Is it from the ranked Grande Ecole programme or an unranked masters at GEM?



Take a look at http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2019

What are your goals? Why these schools? Is your offer from the GEM campus in Grenoble, or a franchise partner? Is it from the ranked Grande Ecole programme or an unranked masters at GEM?<br><br><br><br>Take a look at&nbsp;<a href="http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2019">http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2019</a>
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The program is from ranked grand ecole and I got the offer from Paris campus. These schools because they are renowned in France and UK.
After completing my degree I wanted to work in the respective field  for few year to get the experience of European market. 
Also, I m thinking whether should I apply in apply in other European countries as well like Czech Republic or Ireland for Masters program in Management or international management? 

[Edited by rashi sharma on Jun 24, 2020]

The program is from ranked grand ecole and I got the offer from Paris campus. These schools because they are renowned in France and UK.<br>After completing my degree I wanted to work in the respective field&nbsp; for few year to get the experience of European market.&nbsp;<br>Also, I m thinking whether should I apply in apply in other European countries as well like Czech Republic or Ireland for Masters program in Management or international management?&nbsp;
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Duncan

Stuart wasn't clear enough. GEM is a grande ecole, but it has different masters programmes. One of those degrees, the MiM, is *the* grande Ecole *programme* - https://en.grenoble-em.com/masters-management-grande-ecole-program Generally, the FT MiM ranking includes those grande Ecole programmes. See the double star note after the degree name at: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2019 The Grande Ecole programme leads to a masters degree from the French state. 

GEM only runs the Grande Ecole programme on the Grenoble campus. The Paris campus has a different offer, the MIB. The MIB, as I understand it, does not lead to a degree from the French state. It leads to a diploma, Manager d'affaires internationales.

There is no European market for MiM graduates. There are national labour markets. I suggest you choose between the Czech Republic, Ireland, France etc on the basis of whether you speak better Czech, English, French etc.

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Stuart wasn't clear enough. GEM is a grande ecole, but it has different masters programmes. One of those degrees, the MiM, is *the* grande Ecole *programme* -&nbsp;<a href="https://en.grenoble-em.com/masters-management-grande-ecole-program">https://en.grenoble-em.com/masters-management-grande-ecole-program</a>&nbsp;Generally, the FT MiM ranking includes those grande Ecole programmes. See the double star note after the degree name at:&nbsp;<a href="http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2019">http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2019</a>&nbsp;The Grande Ecole programme leads to a masters degree from the French state.&nbsp;<br><br>GEM only runs the Grande Ecole programme on the Grenoble campus. The Paris campus has a different offer, the MIB. The MIB, as I understand it, does not lead to a degree from the French state. It leads to a diploma,&nbsp;<span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(95, 99, 104); font-family: arial, sans-serif;">Manager d'affaires internationales.</span><br><br>There is no European market for MiM graduates. There are national labour markets. I suggest you choose between the Czech Republic, Ireland, France etc on the basis of whether you speak better Czech, English, French etc.
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Is UK not a good option for management or International management program? 

Is UK not a good option for management or International management program?&nbsp;
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Duncan

The UK is a good option if you attend a good school. See: https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-msc-mim-degrees-for-international-students-placement-52915 

The UK is a good option if you attend a good school. See:&nbsp;<a href="https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-msc-mim-degrees-for-international-students-placement-52915">https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-msc-mim-degrees-for-international-students-placement-52915</a>&nbsp;
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Duncan Sir I would like to know  how's the job opportunities in Czech Republic? Is it worth it to apply there? 

Duncan Sir I would like to know&nbsp; how's the job opportunities in Czech Republic? Is it worth it to apply there?&nbsp;
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Duncan

Opportunities after a top business course are good if you can write and speak Czech at a professional  level.

Opportunities after a top business course are good if you can write and speak Czech at a professional&nbsp; level.
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Larry

I would take it one step further to play it safe, study in the country where you want to work, but only if you already speak the language at a professional level. 

If you can't speak French yet, finding work in France might be tricky. There might be opportunities for technical-oriented jobs but these would not have the same kind of growth potential as a typical post-MiM / management-path job would. 

The UK could work, or Ireland. If you speak other European languages, that could open up more possibilities for you. 

I would take it one step further to play it safe, study in the country where you want to work, but only if you already speak the language at a professional level.&nbsp;<br><br>If you can't speak French yet, finding work in France might be tricky. There might be opportunities for technical-oriented jobs but these would not have the same kind of growth potential as a typical post-MiM / management-path job would.&nbsp;<br><br>The UK could work, or Ireland. If you speak other European languages, that could open up more possibilities for you.&nbsp;
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