MBA Fall 2017 -- Germany, France or other country ?


mba_13

I am targeting FT MBA programs in Europe for Fall 2017 and I am primarily looking at following schools because of affordability and location (preferably Germany) -
-- Mannheim Business School; ESMT (Berlin); WHU (Vallendar); HHL (Leipzig); EDHEC

I am an Indian citizen currently working in USA in energy/utility sector as a Software Analyst. I have a total of 3.5 years Full time work experience as of now. I currently have "NO GERMAN LANGUAGE SKILLS". However, i would be taking German classes over the next 6-7 months. I want to work in an energy/tech industry in Europe for a few years and eventually move globally between USA/Europe/India.

My educational credentials are -
-- GMAT (expected 660-680)
-- MS in Software Engineering CGPA 3.56 (US university with 100% scholarship)
Completed various industry level projects during MS.
-- BS in Management Information System (Minor in Computer Science) 3.25 CGPA (US university with 50% scholarship)
Summer internship with a leading Internet Security Company.
-- Certificates on edX by IEEE, IIM Bangalore, Thunderbird School of Global Management.

I have also worked part time as a Class instructor (2 classes with 120 students) as well as an apartment manager (250 tenants) for 2 years during my MS program.
I was actively involved with around 5-6 students cultural and sports clubs while holding leadership positions in 2 of them. I also participated in various voluntary activities for disaster relief management and kids with disabilities.

Do I have any chance of getting into above mentioned schools or should i look into OTHER PROGRAMS ? It will be great if I can secure some sort of funding/scholarship for my MBA program.
Please advise and thank you.

[Edited by mba_13 on Oct 26, 2016]

I am targeting FT MBA programs in Europe for Fall 2017 and I am primarily looking at following schools because of affordability and location (preferably Germany) -
-- Mannheim Business School; ESMT (Berlin); WHU (Vallendar); HHL (Leipzig); EDHEC

I am an Indian citizen currently working in USA in energy/utility sector as a Software Analyst. I have a total of 3.5 years Full time work experience as of now. I currently have "NO GERMAN LANGUAGE SKILLS". However, i would be taking German classes over the next 6-7 months. I want to work in an energy/tech industry in Europe for a few years and eventually move globally between USA/Europe/India.

My educational credentials are -
-- GMAT (expected 660-680)
-- MS in Software Engineering CGPA 3.56 (US university with 100% scholarship)
Completed various industry level projects during MS.
-- BS in Management Information System (Minor in Computer Science) 3.25 CGPA (US university with 50% scholarship)
Summer internship with a leading Internet Security Company.
-- Certificates on edX by IEEE, IIM Bangalore, Thunderbird School of Global Management.

I have also worked part time as a Class instructor (2 classes with 120 students) as well as an apartment manager (250 tenants) for 2 years during my MS program.
I was actively involved with around 5-6 students cultural and sports clubs while holding leadership positions in 2 of them. I also participated in various voluntary activities for disaster relief management and kids with disabilities.

Do I have any chance of getting into above mentioned schools or should i look into OTHER PROGRAMS ? It will be great if I can secure some sort of funding/scholarship for my MBA program.
Please advise and thank you.
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mba hipste...

I don't know that studying German between now and fall 2017 would be enough to get you to a business fluency level necessary to get a job in the country after graduation. And mobility across European borders after your MBA might be challenging.

Why don't you look at schools in the UK?

I don't know that studying German between now and fall 2017 would be enough to get you to a business fluency level necessary to get a job in the country after graduation. And mobility across European borders after your MBA might be challenging.

Why don't you look at schools in the UK?
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mba_13

Thank you mba hipster for the reply.
I did look at schools in UK but UK's continuously toughening immigration policies and Brexit make it very scary for a non EU guy like me. I looked at "Lancaster, Warwick, Cranfield, Cass and Manchester".
I agree with you on the German skills but I am willing to learn it over the next 2 years. Will that help ? Do you think my profile is decent enough for the schools i was looking at ? Should i look at other programs like HEC Paris, St. Gallen, SDA Bocconi, EDHEC ?

Thank you mba hipster for the reply.
I did look at schools in UK but UK's continuously toughening immigration policies and Brexit make it very scary for a non EU guy like me. I looked at "Lancaster, Warwick, Cranfield, Cass and Manchester".
I agree with you on the German skills but I am willing to learn it over the next 2 years. Will that help ? Do you think my profile is decent enough for the schools i was looking at ? Should i look at other programs like HEC Paris, St. Gallen, SDA Bocconi, EDHEC ?
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duendemba

I think that if you are willing to put in the effort in getting to a good level of German, doing an MBA there is your best option. Apart from the comparative lower costs of the programs, it seems to be the only country of those you mentioned that is open adding to its skilled work force from non-EU sources. The issue with the language would also follow you to those countries you mentioned, if your intention is to stay after graduation.

I think that if you are willing to put in the effort in getting to a good level of German, doing an MBA there is your best option. Apart from the comparative lower costs of the programs, it seems to be the only country of those you mentioned that is open adding to its skilled work force from non-EU sources. The issue with the language would also follow you to those countries you mentioned, if your intention is to stay after graduation.
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Razors Edg...

I think picking up enough German skills between now and between the time you finish your MBA would be difficult. Maybe if you did a German immersion program between now and the program start, that would be something, but to continue with adequate language classes during a full-time MBA program will be next to impossible.

Although there is some uncertainty, Brexit shouldn't dramatically change visa rules for non-EU citizens. An MBA from Cass/Cranfield/Warwick can be a great launchpad into the British economy.

Your other option is to do an MBA from a school like St. Gallen or HEC Paris (or Insead!!) which would have good mobility stats across Europe, even for non-EU residents.

I think picking up enough German skills between now and between the time you finish your MBA would be difficult. Maybe if you did a German immersion program between now and the program start, that would be something, but to continue with adequate language classes during a full-time MBA program will be next to impossible.

Although there is some uncertainty, Brexit shouldn't dramatically change visa rules for non-EU citizens. An MBA from Cass/Cranfield/Warwick can be a great launchpad into the British economy.

Your other option is to do an MBA from a school like St. Gallen or HEC Paris (or Insead!!) which would have good mobility stats across Europe, even for non-EU residents.
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mba_13

Thank you duendemba & Razors Edge for the replies. I am already taking German classes and should be somewhere between A2 and B1 by Sep 2017 when most MBA programs start. (i will continue classes despite my school & country selection)(btw, I am an Indian passport holder)

DUENDEMBA
The biggest reason to consider Germany was their strong economy and the number of opportunities even for a non EU student.

RAZOR EDGE, I looked at Cranefield, Warwick and Lancester in UK. I don't know about post Brexit visa scenario but being an Indian passport holder makes it hard as it is.
How would you rank Mannheim, WHU & HHL and do you think, i have a chance with my profile ?

The only other schools, i have considered are ESSEC & EDHEC in France and St. Gallen.
Thanks once again, both of you.

Thank you duendemba & Razors Edge for the replies. I am already taking German classes and should be somewhere between A2 and B1 by Sep 2017 when most MBA programs start. (i will continue classes despite my school & country selection)(btw, I am an Indian passport holder)

DUENDEMBA
The biggest reason to consider Germany was their strong economy and the number of opportunities even for a non EU student.

RAZOR EDGE, I looked at Cranefield, Warwick and Lancester in UK. I don't know about post Brexit visa scenario but being an Indian passport holder makes it hard as it is.
How would you rank Mannheim, WHU & HHL and do you think, i have a chance with my profile ?

The only other schools, i have considered are ESSEC & EDHEC in France and St. Gallen.
Thanks once again, both of you.
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Razors Edg...

I doubt the Brexit will have much of an effect for non-EU citizens. It's already a quite strict visa process, but that doesn't disclude a work permit, especially if you do an MBA at a top school.

For the language issues, you should read Duncan's post on speaking the local language:
http://find-mba.com/board/europe/do-you-need-to-speak-the-local-language-29546

Getting from B1 to business fluency in just a year while doing your MBA will be difficult.

I doubt the Brexit will have much of an effect for non-EU citizens. It's already a quite strict visa process, but that doesn't disclude a work permit, especially if you do an MBA at a top school.

For the language issues, you should read Duncan's post on speaking the local language:
http://find-mba.com/board/europe/do-you-need-to-speak-the-local-language-29546

Getting from B1 to business fluency in just a year while doing your MBA will be difficult.
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mba_13

Thank you for the feedback and the reference article. All of you have a point with the language,
I am an IT/Utility industry guy and would like to continue in a managerial/consulting role in the same field in UK/Europe.
How would you rank the following colleges in general ?
Warwick, Cass, Cranfield, Manchester, Lancester and UCD Smurfit

Thank you for the feedback and the reference article. All of you have a point with the language,
I am an IT/Utility industry guy and would like to continue in a managerial/consulting role in the same field in UK/Europe.
How would you rank the following colleges in general ?
Warwick, Cass, Cranfield, Manchester, Lancester and UCD Smurfit
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Hello, I presume I'm posting my query in right forum. I'm targeting FT MBA programs in Germany with English as medium of Instruction. I have done my BE & Master's in Engineering with 12+ years experience in India. I'm a beginner in MBA Institution search in Germany. I intend to enroll for late 2017 batch. I came across New European College (Munich) through a counselor and rest I'm searching through web. The intention behind the MBA program study is to expand my career in Germany in long term as I worked in Hamburg briefly in 2010.

Can someone let me know how to check the authenticity of degree accredition? Some independent source other than the information provided in university website. How good is the New European College in Munich. As per counselor, the job prospects post graduation are good. The classes are in the evenings even though its a full time program and I work in day time. I plan to enroll for german courses too.

Hello, I presume I'm posting my query in right forum. I'm targeting FT MBA programs in Germany with English as medium of Instruction. I have done my BE & Master's in Engineering with 12+ years experience in India. I'm a beginner in MBA Institution search in Germany. I intend to enroll for late 2017 batch. I came across New European College (Munich) through a counselor and rest I'm searching through web. The intention behind the MBA program study is to expand my career in Germany in long term as I worked in Hamburg briefly in 2010.

Can someone let me know how to check the authenticity of degree accredition? Some independent source other than the information provided in university website. How good is the New European College in Munich. As per counselor, the job prospects post graduation are good. The classes are in the evenings even though its a full time program and I work in day time. I plan to enroll for german courses too.
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Dan85

I live in Munich and I had to google it - not a good sign. The school has no reputation and neither does the FH that grants the degree on NEC's behalf.

Do yourself a favor and consider well-established German insitutions, i.e. schools that are ranked and accredited by international agencies.

Also: Why Germany? Do you speak German?

[Edited by Dan85 on Nov 24, 2016]

I live in Munich and I had to google it - not a good sign. The school has no reputation and neither does the FH that grants the degree on NEC's behalf.

Do yourself a favor and consider well-established German insitutions, i.e. schools that are ranked and accredited by international agencies.

Also: Why Germany? Do you speak German?
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Duncan

I think that if a counsellor recommends the New European College to you then they almost certainly have an unethical conflict of interest and are being paid by the New European College.

[Edited by Duncan on Dec 20, 2016]

I think that if a counsellor recommends the New European College to you then they almost certainly have an unethical conflict of interest and are being paid by the New European College.
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mba_13

@Duncan
just wanted to thank you, your posts have been very helpful in general.

@beswaminathan
Read some of the posts from Duncan & others about language. It seems knowing German (B2 or C1 minimum) is a very key ingredient to success in German market.
My research on MBA schools in Germany left with me following possible options -
Mannheim Business School, WHU Otto Beisheim, HHL Leipzig, ESMT Berlin, EBS Business School, Frankfurt School of Finance & Management

[Edited by mba_13 on Nov 25, 2016]

@Duncan
just wanted to thank you, your posts have been very helpful in general.

@beswaminathan
Read some of the posts from Duncan & others about language. It seems knowing German (B2 or C1 minimum) is a very key ingredient to success in German market.
My research on MBA schools in Germany left with me following possible options -
Mannheim Business School, WHU Otto Beisheim, HHL Leipzig, ESMT Berlin, EBS Business School, Frankfurt School of Finance & Management
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saudbs

I will suggest Imperial over Cass as you are from Technology background.

I will suggest Imperial over Cass as you are from Technology background.
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laurie

@Duncan
just wanted to thank you, your posts have been very helpful in general.

@beswaminathan
Read some of the posts from Duncan & others about language. It seems knowing German (B2 or C1 minimum) is a very key ingredient to success in German market.
My research on MBA schools in Germany left with me following possible options -
Mannheim Business School, WHU Otto Beisheim, HHL Leipzig, ESMT Berlin, EBS Business School, Frankfurt School of Finance & Management

ESMT wouldn't be a bad choice, given your career goals. However, unless your German is already pretty good, a UK school would probably be a better option.

[quote]@Duncan
just wanted to thank you, your posts have been very helpful in general.

@beswaminathan
Read some of the posts from Duncan & others about language. It seems knowing German (B2 or C1 minimum) is a very key ingredient to success in German market.
My research on MBA schools in Germany left with me following possible options -
Mannheim Business School, WHU Otto Beisheim, HHL Leipzig, ESMT Berlin, EBS Business School, Frankfurt School of Finance & Management[/quote]
ESMT wouldn't be a bad choice, given your career goals. However, unless your German is already pretty good, a UK school would probably be a better option.
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mba_13

Has anyone heard of the following MBA program from TU Berlin ?
http://master-in-energy.com/courses/energy-management

It seems like a niche MBA program in Energy Management. What are the career prospects like for this program ?

Has anyone heard of the following MBA program from TU Berlin ?
http://master-in-energy.com/courses/energy-management

It seems like a niche MBA program in Energy Management. What are the career prospects like for this program ?
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Duncan

It doesn't have international accreditation. With fluent German student s would have similar outcomes' to MSc students.

It doesn't have international accreditation. With fluent German student s would have similar outcomes' to MSc students.
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Hello everyone,

I am a chartered accountant from India. I have a GMAT score of 710 and will complete 4 years (3.5 years with KPMG India) of work experience by March 2017. I am applying to universities such as Mannhein, Frankfurt,HEC Paris and ESADE. I was hoping that you guys can tell me what my chances are of securing admission in any of the above universities and given my profile if i should aim for any other universities in Europe. I am more than willing to put in the effort to learn the language of the country of the universities in which i secure admission.

Hoping someone can help me here.

Thanks and regards,
Akshay.

Hello everyone,

I am a chartered accountant from India. I have a GMAT score of 710 and will complete 4 years (3.5 years with KPMG India) of work experience by March 2017. I am applying to universities such as Mannhein, Frankfurt,HEC Paris and ESADE. I was hoping that you guys can tell me what my chances are of securing admission in any of the above universities and given my profile if i should aim for any other universities in Europe. I am more than willing to put in the effort to learn the language of the country of the universities in which i secure admission.

Hoping someone can help me here.

Thanks and regards,
Akshay.
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Duncan

Most applicants to these schools have similar or better backgrounds and are not admitted. You will need to apply to multiple schools and try to stand out more with experiences outside accounting.A statement like " I am more than willing to put in the effort to learn the language of the country of the universities in which i secure admission." should be treated skeptically. Unless you arrive speaking the language at a high intermediate level, schools will struggle to place you.

Most applicants to these schools have similar or better backgrounds and are not admitted. You will need to apply to multiple schools and try to stand out more with experiences outside accounting.A statement like " I am more than willing to put in the effort to learn the language of the country of the universities in which i secure admission." should be treated skeptically. Unless you arrive speaking the language at a high intermediate level, schools will struggle to place you.
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@duncan Thank you for your response. How would you rate my chances in universities like Nanyang, NUS, McGill and UBC Sauder. Also during my tenure with KPMG i worked in audit, auditing foreign banks like HSBC and SCB and big Indian Banks as well.

@duncan Thank you for your response. How would you rate my chances in universities like Nanyang, NUS, McGill and UBC Sauder. Also during my tenure with KPMG i worked in audit, auditing foreign banks like HSBC and SCB and big Indian Banks as well.
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Duncan

I think you can answer this yourself. Higher at the schools with lower gmat and less work experience, and vice versa, higher if you apply now and much lower if you apply later. Your background seems quite generic and your work experience is less than average so excellent schools may struggle to see what you add.

I think you can answer this yourself. Higher at the schools with lower gmat and less work experience, and vice versa, higher if you apply now and much lower if you apply later. Your background seems quite generic and your work experience is less than average so excellent schools may struggle to see what you add.
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