Hello El Procastinator, what do you think about TiasNimbas, St. Gallen, and INSEAD?
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Posted Jun 20, 2007 11:34
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Hello El Procastinator, what do you think about TiasNimbas, St. Gallen, and INSEAD?
Posted Jun 22, 2007 16:23
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Oh, I forgot to mention ESMT. The future IMD, but made in Germany. Wild card, except if you have actual managerial experience and want to work in Germany.
You can't be serious? I was really impressed by the marketing of ESMT - the website and brochure. I was particularly pleased with the list of corporate founders on their website until I found out that often the corporate founders don't have ESMT on the list of MBA schools to recruit from. The class seem to have a heavy emphasis on Asia. Personally I couldn't see ESMT as a world leading b school.
TiasNimba on the other hand. I hadn't heard of them until a couple of months ago, but they look really interesting. Selling an MBA made by Bradford, but with a fresh European setting looks quite attractive.
St. Gallen I am applying to for 2008, so enough said. One visit to the school sold it to me.
<blockquote>Oh, I forgot to mention ESMT. The future IMD, but made in Germany. Wild card, except if you have actual managerial experience and want to work in Germany.</blockquote>
You can't be serious? I was really impressed by the marketing of ESMT - the website and brochure. I was particularly pleased with the list of corporate founders on their website until I found out that often the corporate founders don't have ESMT on the list of MBA schools to recruit from. The class seem to have a heavy emphasis on Asia. Personally I couldn't see ESMT as a world leading b school.
TiasNimba on the other hand. I hadn't heard of them until a couple of months ago, but they look really interesting. Selling an MBA made by Bradford, but with a fresh European setting looks quite attractive.
St. Gallen I am applying to for 2008, so enough said. One visit to the school sold it to me.
You can't be serious? I was really impressed by the marketing of ESMT - the website and brochure. I was particularly pleased with the list of corporate founders on their website until I found out that often the corporate founders don't have ESMT on the list of MBA schools to recruit from. The class seem to have a heavy emphasis on Asia. Personally I couldn't see ESMT as a world leading b school.
TiasNimba on the other hand. I hadn't heard of them until a couple of months ago, but they look really interesting. Selling an MBA made by Bradford, but with a fresh European setting looks quite attractive.
St. Gallen I am applying to for 2008, so enough said. One visit to the school sold it to me.
Posted Jun 22, 2007 16:45
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There are no Asian business schools yet that can be compared to Harvard, NYU, Columbia, Penn, Northwestern in the US or ESADE, INSEAD, IESE, LBS, Imperial, Cass. .
The US schools you mentioned and LBS i agree with 100%.
However ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, -- HONG KONG UST- is a better school already, (Finance/Accounting) Esade and Iese spend enormous $$ on marketing, sole reason for high rankings, if you ask outside of Europe, no one "heard of them. " As for INSEAD they are the epitome of branding, school sucks they they keep spending $$ and posing as a "global school" Here is a relevant discussion on INSEAD vs Asia.
http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345
Imperial and Cass ?? there are several Asian schools better than those two.. Outside of the city of London nobody ever heard of them.
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There are no Asian business schools yet that can be compared to Harvard, NYU, Columbia, Penn, Northwestern in the US or ESADE, INSEAD, IESE, LBS, Imperial, Cass. .</blockquote>
The US schools you mentioned and LBS i agree with 100%.
However ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, -- HONG KONG UST- is a better school already, (Finance/Accounting) Esade and Iese spend enormous $$ on marketing, sole reason for high rankings, if you ask outside of Europe, no one "heard of them. " As for INSEAD they are the epitome of branding, school sucks they they keep spending $$ and posing as a "global school" Here is a relevant discussion on INSEAD vs Asia.
http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345
Imperial and Cass ?? there are several Asian schools better than those two.. Outside of the city of London nobody ever heard of them.
There are no Asian business schools yet that can be compared to Harvard, NYU, Columbia, Penn, Northwestern in the US or ESADE, INSEAD, IESE, LBS, Imperial, Cass. .</blockquote>
The US schools you mentioned and LBS i agree with 100%.
However ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, -- HONG KONG UST- is a better school already, (Finance/Accounting) Esade and Iese spend enormous $$ on marketing, sole reason for high rankings, if you ask outside of Europe, no one "heard of them. " As for INSEAD they are the epitome of branding, school sucks they they keep spending $$ and posing as a "global school" Here is a relevant discussion on INSEAD vs Asia.
http://www.find-mba.com/board/4345
Imperial and Cass ?? there are several Asian schools better than those two.. Outside of the city of London nobody ever heard of them.
Posted Jun 22, 2007 17:52
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I agree with copernicus on this one. If you look at the field of finance and accounting, HKUST is well ahead of ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, Imperial and Cass, at least as far as the quality of the faculty is concerned. It will probably take some time to HKUST to become "famous", but its finance faculty is outstanding. I didn't know about HKUST myself and I was quite surprised when I looked at their finance department web page.
I agree with copernicus on this one. If you look at the field of finance and accounting, HKUST is well ahead of ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, Imperial and Cass, at least as far as the quality of the faculty is concerned. It will probably take some time to HKUST to become "famous", but its finance faculty is outstanding. I didn't know about HKUST myself and I was quite surprised when I looked at their finance department web page.
Posted Jun 22, 2007 18:33
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I agree with copernicus on this one. If you look at the field of finance and accounting, HKUST is well ahead of ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, Imperial and Cass, at least as far as the quality of the faculty is concerned. It will probably take some time to HKUST to become "famous", but its finance faculty is outstanding. I didn't know about HKUST myself and I was quite surprised when I looked at their finance department web page.
Accounting is also excellent at HK UST, top 10 in the WORLD
quoting" In 1999, HKUST became the first accounting program outside North America to win accreditation from AACSB, the premier accrediting agency for business schools. In 2003, HKUST became the first outside North America awarded a chapter of Beta Alpha Psi, the world's premier accounting honorary. In two recent years, HKUST topped the world in original research published in leading research journals. In 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005, HKUST ranked "Top 10" in the top three journals (Journal of Accounting and Economics, Journal of Accounting Research, The Accounting Review), a record unexcelled by any university worldwide"
http://www.bm.ust.hk/~acct/
One can make the case about European vs Asian schools the same way you could for Oxbridge vs top american schools 50 years ago. 98 out of 100 would have chosen Oxbridge back then, i am talking about all disciplines (back then oxbridge did not teach business). Now its the other way around, maybe not 98 out of 100 but definitely the edge has shifted to the US. I dont know about you guys but I see another shift coming, as there is more and more $$ available for research in Asia, and local talent will be staying home.....
<blockquote>I agree with copernicus on this one. If you look at the field of finance and accounting, HKUST is well ahead of ESADE, IESE, INSEAD, Imperial and Cass, at least as far as the quality of the faculty is concerned. It will probably take some time to HKUST to become "famous", but its finance faculty is outstanding. I didn't know about HKUST myself and I was quite surprised when I looked at their finance department web page. </blockquote>
Accounting is also excellent at HK UST, top 10 in the WORLD
quoting" In 1999, HKUST became the first accounting program outside North America to win accreditation from AACSB, the premier accrediting agency for business schools. In 2003, HKUST became the first outside North America awarded a chapter of Beta Alpha Psi, the world's premier accounting honorary. In two recent years, HKUST topped the world in original research published in leading research journals. In 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005, HKUST ranked "Top 10" in the top three journals (Journal of Accounting and Economics, Journal of Accounting Research, The Accounting Review), a record unexcelled by any university worldwide"
http://www.bm.ust.hk/~acct/
One can make the case about European vs Asian schools the same way you could for Oxbridge vs top american schools 50 years ago. 98 out of 100 would have chosen Oxbridge back then, i am talking about all disciplines (back then oxbridge did not teach business). Now its the other way around, maybe not 98 out of 100 but definitely the edge has shifted to the US. I dont know about you guys but I see another shift coming, as there is more and more $$ available for research in Asia, and local talent will be staying home.....
Accounting is also excellent at HK UST, top 10 in the WORLD
quoting" In 1999, HKUST became the first accounting program outside North America to win accreditation from AACSB, the premier accrediting agency for business schools. In 2003, HKUST became the first outside North America awarded a chapter of Beta Alpha Psi, the world's premier accounting honorary. In two recent years, HKUST topped the world in original research published in leading research journals. In 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005, HKUST ranked "Top 10" in the top three journals (Journal of Accounting and Economics, Journal of Accounting Research, The Accounting Review), a record unexcelled by any university worldwide"
http://www.bm.ust.hk/~acct/
One can make the case about European vs Asian schools the same way you could for Oxbridge vs top american schools 50 years ago. 98 out of 100 would have chosen Oxbridge back then, i am talking about all disciplines (back then oxbridge did not teach business). Now its the other way around, maybe not 98 out of 100 but definitely the edge has shifted to the US. I dont know about you guys but I see another shift coming, as there is more and more $$ available for research in Asia, and local talent will be staying home.....
Posted Jun 22, 2007 18:38
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Well, let's see what happens. I don't think anyone knows what will happen 50 years from now, and moreover HKUST is still quite an exception in Asia. I think you jump too quickly to conclusions. The only thing I'm certain about is that 50 years from now most of us will be dead or almost :)
Well, let's see what happens. I don't think anyone knows what will happen 50 years from now, and moreover HKUST is still quite an exception in Asia. I think you jump too quickly to conclusions. The only thing I'm certain about is that 50 years from now most of us will be dead or almost :)
Posted Jun 22, 2007 21:12
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Well, let's see what happens. I don't think anyone knows what will happen 50 years from now, and moreover HKUST is still quite an exception in Asia. I think you jump too quickly to conclusions. The only thing I'm certain about is that 50 years from now most of us will be dead or almost :)
50 years was in reference to UK vs US. The gap between Asia and US will be closed much quicker, 10-15 years tops.
And besides in case of HK UST they already have dual degrees with Northwestern and NYU, to me thats saying they are almost as good for those schools to have picked them and have their names on diplomas alongside HK USt.
<blockquote>Well, let's see what happens. I don't think anyone knows what will happen 50 years from now, and moreover HKUST is still quite an exception in Asia. I think you jump too quickly to conclusions. The only thing I'm certain about is that 50 years from now most of us will be dead or almost :)</blockquote>
50 years was in reference to UK vs US. The gap between Asia and US will be closed much quicker, 10-15 years tops.
And besides in case of HK UST they already have dual degrees with Northwestern and NYU, to me thats saying they are almost as good for those schools to have picked them and have their names on diplomas alongside HK USt.
50 years was in reference to UK vs US. The gap between Asia and US will be closed much quicker, 10-15 years tops.
And besides in case of HK UST they already have dual degrees with Northwestern and NYU, to me thats saying they are almost as good for those schools to have picked them and have their names on diplomas alongside HK USt.
Posted Jun 22, 2007 21:37
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HKUST is still an exception in Asia, as I said.
Then, when you look at history you have to notice that, for the USA, war in Europe played a very important role. US universities benefited from a large number of European (mostly German) scholars that were fleeing Nazism. I don't see many US scholars leaving sunny California or the East coast to go to Shanghai, but we'll see. You may as well look at Japan. Their universities have improved a lot since the war, but there's been no big migration from the US.
HKUST is still an exception in Asia, as I said.
Then, when you look at history you have to notice that, for the USA, war in Europe played a very important role. US universities benefited from a large number of European (mostly German) scholars that were fleeing Nazism. I don't see many US scholars leaving sunny California or the East coast to go to Shanghai, but we'll see. You may as well look at Japan. Their universities have improved a lot since the war, but there's been no big migration from the US.
Then, when you look at history you have to notice that, for the USA, war in Europe played a very important role. US universities benefited from a large number of European (mostly German) scholars that were fleeing Nazism. I don't see many US scholars leaving sunny California or the East coast to go to Shanghai, but we'll see. You may as well look at Japan. Their universities have improved a lot since the war, but there's been no big migration from the US.
Posted Jun 22, 2007 23:22
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HKUST is still an exception in Asia, as I said.
Then, when you look at history you have to notice that, for the USA, war in Europe played a very important role. US universities benefited from a large number of European (mostly German) scholars that were fleeing Nazism. I don't see many US scholars leaving sunny California or the East coast to go to Shanghai, but we'll see. You may as well look at Japan. Their universities have improved a lot since the war, but there's been no big migration from the US.
there will be no need for US scholars, as Asia grows in power and spends more $$ on research there will be more and more local scholars teaching, and local top student talent staying "at home" instead of going to the US.
<blockquote>HKUST is still an exception in Asia, as I said.
Then, when you look at history you have to notice that, for the USA, war in Europe played a very important role. US universities benefited from a large number of European (mostly German) scholars that were fleeing Nazism. I don't see many US scholars leaving sunny California or the East coast to go to Shanghai, but we'll see. You may as well look at Japan. Their universities have improved a lot since the war, but there's been no big migration from the US.</blockquote>
there will be no need for US scholars, as Asia grows in power and spends more $$ on research there will be more and more local scholars teaching, and local top student talent staying "at home" instead of going to the US.
Then, when you look at history you have to notice that, for the USA, war in Europe played a very important role. US universities benefited from a large number of European (mostly German) scholars that were fleeing Nazism. I don't see many US scholars leaving sunny California or the East coast to go to Shanghai, but we'll see. You may as well look at Japan. Their universities have improved a lot since the war, but there's been no big migration from the US.</blockquote>
there will be no need for US scholars, as Asia grows in power and spends more $$ on research there will be more and more local scholars teaching, and local top student talent staying "at home" instead of going to the US.
Posted Jun 22, 2007 23:47
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I think you're dreaming.
All the top PhD programs are in the US. If Chinese students go to the US to do their PhD, the best ones will stay there. Only the other ones will go back to China. Researchers tend to stay wherever there is a critical mass of researchers, and now this is the US. Do you seriously think it will take China 10 years to build a critical mass of researchers comparable to the US? You must be joking.
After experiencing the research environment in the US and the freedom of life there, the best researchers will stay there. Why would a promising young researcher go back to Shanghai instead of going to Wharton?? Perhaps you forget that China is still a dictatorship, that there is no freedom of expression, that internet is censored, etc, etc. Maybe Hong Kong is an exception.
I think you're dreaming.
All the top PhD programs are in the US. If Chinese students go to the US to do their PhD, the best ones will stay there. Only the other ones will go back to China. Researchers tend to stay wherever there is a critical mass of researchers, and now this is the US. Do you seriously think it will take China 10 years to build a critical mass of researchers comparable to the US? You must be joking.
After experiencing the research environment in the US and the freedom of life there, the best researchers will stay there. Why would a promising young researcher go back to Shanghai instead of going to Wharton?? Perhaps you forget that China is still a dictatorship, that there is no freedom of expression, that internet is censored, etc, etc. Maybe Hong Kong is an exception.
All the top PhD programs are in the US. If Chinese students go to the US to do their PhD, the best ones will stay there. Only the other ones will go back to China. Researchers tend to stay wherever there is a critical mass of researchers, and now this is the US. Do you seriously think it will take China 10 years to build a critical mass of researchers comparable to the US? You must be joking.
After experiencing the research environment in the US and the freedom of life there, the best researchers will stay there. Why would a promising young researcher go back to Shanghai instead of going to Wharton?? Perhaps you forget that China is still a dictatorship, that there is no freedom of expression, that internet is censored, etc, etc. Maybe Hong Kong is an exception.
Posted Jun 23, 2007 02:51
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I think you're dreaming.
All the top PhD programs are in the US. If Chinese students go to the US to do their PhD, the best ones will stay there. Only the other ones will go back to China. Researchers tend to stay wherever there is a critical mass of researchers, and now this is the US. Do you seriously think it will take China 10 years to build a critical mass of researchers comparable to the US? You must be joking.
After experiencing the research environment in the US and the freedom of life there, the best researchers will stay there. Why would a promising young researcher go back to Shanghai instead of going to Wharton?? Perhaps you forget that China is still a dictatorship, that there is no freedom of expression, that internet is censored, etc, etc. Maybe Hong Kong is an exception.
Hong Kong and Singapore not mainland China.
Thats the point in 10-15 years top Chinese/local students will NOT need to go to the US for PHDs...because programs in Asia will be as good.
<blockquote>I think you're dreaming.
All the top PhD programs are in the US. If Chinese students go to the US to do their PhD, the best ones will stay there. Only the other ones will go back to China. Researchers tend to stay wherever there is a critical mass of researchers, and now this is the US. Do you seriously think it will take China 10 years to build a critical mass of researchers comparable to the US? You must be joking.
After experiencing the research environment in the US and the freedom of life there, the best researchers will stay there. Why would a promising young researcher go back to Shanghai instead of going to Wharton?? Perhaps you forget that China is still a dictatorship, that there is no freedom of expression, that internet is censored, etc, etc. Maybe Hong Kong is an exception. </blockquote>
Hong Kong and Singapore not mainland China.
Thats the point in 10-15 years top Chinese/local students will NOT need to go to the US for PHDs...because programs in Asia will be as good.
All the top PhD programs are in the US. If Chinese students go to the US to do their PhD, the best ones will stay there. Only the other ones will go back to China. Researchers tend to stay wherever there is a critical mass of researchers, and now this is the US. Do you seriously think it will take China 10 years to build a critical mass of researchers comparable to the US? You must be joking.
After experiencing the research environment in the US and the freedom of life there, the best researchers will stay there. Why would a promising young researcher go back to Shanghai instead of going to Wharton?? Perhaps you forget that China is still a dictatorship, that there is no freedom of expression, that internet is censored, etc, etc. Maybe Hong Kong is an exception. </blockquote>
Hong Kong and Singapore not mainland China.
Thats the point in 10-15 years top Chinese/local students will NOT need to go to the US for PHDs...because programs in Asia will be as good.
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