German MBA in Pforzheim VS HHL VS FSFM


Candy2020
Hello all,

I am currently talking with the above schools and have received part of the offers. I am a bit confused as I am not sure about which one would suit me best after reading the discussions on board, rankings, salary info after graduation. Especially for the average salary that HHL/FSFM is around 90K-100K(2019) while Pforzheim is around 60K(2014).
My questions here are
1.Whether the HHL or FSFM is worth of the higher tuition while Pforzheim indeed provides practice-oriented courses and wonderful lectures.
2.About language, for HHL and FSFM, normally there are International students while in Pforzheim there are more local students and could apply to switch the English class to a German one(it also provides German language MBA). It also offers free German classes. Would Pforzheim be a better school to learn language?

Thanks.
Hello all,

I am currently talking with the above schools and have received part of the offers. I am a bit confused as I am not sure about which one would suit me best after reading the discussions on board, rankings, salary info after graduation. Especially for the average salary that HHL/FSFM is around 90K-100K(2019) while Pforzheim is around 60K(2014).
My questions here are
1.Whether the HHL or FSFM is worth of the higher tuition while Pforzheim indeed provides practice-oriented courses and wonderful lectures.
2.About language, for HHL and FSFM, normally there are International students while in Pforzheim there are more local students and could apply to switch the English class to a German one(it also provides German language MBA). It also offers free German classes. Would Pforzheim be a better school to learn language?

Thanks.
quote
Duncan
1. You answered your own question. The great schools produce much higher salaries. They are much better investments.
2. HHL has mostly German students, and the long track there is ideal for people aiming to improve fluency in English. But don't pick a sub-optimal MBA on the basis of language classes. Outcomes from the German language MBA at the FP will be much worse. Any school can help you with learning German.
1. You answered your own question. The great schools produce much higher salaries. They are much better investments.
2. HHL has mostly German students, and the long track there is ideal for people aiming to improve fluency in English. But don't pick a sub-optimal MBA on the basis of language classes. Outcomes from the German language MBA at the FP will be much worse. Any school can help you with learning German.
quote
Candy2020
Hi Duncan. Thanks a lot for your answer. I had read many of your posts before and would like to thank you for being so kind and professional in this field. So your suggestion would be FSFM>HHL>Pforzheim>EBS. Right?
Hi Duncan. Thanks a lot for your answer. I had read many of your posts before and would like to thank you for being so kind and professional in this field. So your suggestion would be FSFM>HHL>Pforzheim>EBS. Right?
quote
Duncan
Frankfurt first if you want finance work in Frankfurt. Otherwise I would put HHL above Frankfurt. EBS and Pforzheim are so different. EBS is posh and private, Pforzheim is very much a state school for engineering firms.
Frankfurt first if you want finance work in Frankfurt. Otherwise I would put HHL above Frankfurt. EBS and Pforzheim are so different. EBS is posh and private, Pforzheim is very much a state school for engineering firms.
quote
Larry
Any school can help you with learning German.

I would just clarify: they will provide language classes, but due to bandwidth issues it will be pretty difficult to make a substantial improvement in your German language level during a full-time MBA.

You'll gain some if you focus but if you are starting from scratch there's simply not enough time to become fluent.
[quote]Any school can help you with learning German. [/quote]
I would just clarify: they will provide language classes, but due to bandwidth issues it will be pretty difficult to make a substantial improvement in your German language level during a full-time MBA.

You'll gain some if you focus but if you are starting from scratch there's simply not enough time to become fluent.
quote
Candy2020
Thanks Duncan and Larry. For language, I will try to get B1 or B2 before the start of course. I also found in Frankfurt, I could find a language center at night or weekends which I think would be an advantage of considering the city.
Thanks Duncan and Larry. For language, I will try to get B1 or B2 before the start of course. I also found in Frankfurt, I could find a language center at night or weekends which I think would be an advantage of considering the city.
quote
Duncan
Just on Larry's point about improving in the course. Different schools will have different settings and different levels of German language support. Imagine the long MBA in Leipzig, where they will have to learn some German, and a short MBA in a big West German city where you can so everything in English, like Frankfurt.
Just on Larry's point about improving in the course. Different schools will have different settings and different levels of German language support. Imagine the long MBA in Leipzig, where they will have to learn some German, and a short MBA in a big West German city where you can so everything in English, like Frankfurt.
quote
Razors Edg...
Thanks Duncan and Larry. For language, I will try to get B1 or B2 before the start of course. I also found in Frankfurt, I could find a language center at night or weekends which I think would be an advantage of considering the city.

Don't underestimate the time requirements of a full-time MBA: nights and weekends will often be consumed by school work, networking, and events.
[quote]Thanks Duncan and Larry. For language, I will try to get B1 or B2 before the start of course. I also found in Frankfurt, I could find a language center at night or weekends which I think would be an advantage of considering the city.[/quote]
Don't underestimate the time requirements of a full-time MBA: nights and weekends will often be consumed by school work, networking, and events.
quote
00578
@candy2020 Pforzheim is a great school and it's focus isn't just on engineering. I'm currently doing the International MBA and we have C-suite & director level guests in classroom. They offer intensive language courses as part of the curriculum & the program is SUPER international, we have over 9 different nationalities in the classroom. Some of the regular master's courses have more Germans but the International MBA is very diverse as I know from experience.

The curriculum is also more focused on applied sciences instead of theory so you do a lot more practical work. In regards to salaries, you can still get a high salary with an MBA from Pforzheim. We have a TON of alumni in upper level management in Frankfurt, Munich, Stuttgart, Cologne, etc. In regards to bang for your buck, this is easily one of the best MBA's you can get.

[Edited by 00578 on Feb 05, 2020]

@candy2020 Pforzheim is a great school and it's focus isn't just on engineering. I'm currently doing the International MBA and we have C-suite & director level guests in classroom. They offer intensive language courses as part of the curriculum & the program is SUPER international, we have over 9 different nationalities in the classroom. Some of the regular master's courses have more Germans but the International MBA is very diverse as I know from experience.

The curriculum is also more focused on applied sciences instead of theory so you do a lot more practical work. In regards to salaries, you can still get a high salary with an MBA from Pforzheim. We have a TON of alumni in upper level management in Frankfurt, Munich, Stuttgart, Cologne, etc. In regards to bang for your buck, this is easily one of the best MBA's you can get.
quote
Duncan
Nine is super international?!?
Nine is super international?!?
quote
laurie
Class size is something like 20-25 students. My guess is there are (relatively) quite a lot of students from single countries (India, China...) Probably not a lot of Germans in the MBA so in that sense it might be considered international!
Class size is something like 20-25 students. My guess is there are (relatively) quite a lot of students from single countries (India, China...) Probably not a lot of Germans in the MBA so in that sense it might be considered international!
quote

Reply to Post

Related Business Schools

Full Profile
Pforzheim, Germany 34 Followers 70 Discussions
Frankfurt am Main, Germany 94 Followers 55 Discussions

Related Articles

MBA Programs in Germany: A Gateway to Europe

May 20, 2013

How an emerging class of top German business schools is helping international students tap into the country's growing economy

More Articles

Related Top 10 Lists

More Top 10 Lists