Hello all,
I am currently talking with the above schools and have received part of the offers. I am a bit confused as I am not sure about which one would suit me best after reading the discussions on board, rankings, salary info after graduation. Especially for the average salary that HHL/FSFM is around 90K-100K(2019) while Pforzheim is around 60K(2014).
My questions here are
1.Whether the HHL or FSFM is worth of the higher tuition while Pforzheim indeed provides practice-oriented courses and wonderful lectures.
2.About language, for HHL and FSFM, normally there are International students while in Pforzheim there are more local students and could apply to switch the English class to a German one(it also provides German language MBA). It also offers free German classes. Would Pforzheim be a better school to learn language?
Thanks.
German MBA in Pforzheim VS HHL VS FSFM
Posted Jan 19, 2020 08:59
I am currently talking with the above schools and have received part of the offers. I am a bit confused as I am not sure about which one would suit me best after reading the discussions on board, rankings, salary info after graduation. Especially for the average salary that HHL/FSFM is around 90K-100K(2019) while Pforzheim is around 60K(2014).
My questions here are
1.Whether the HHL or FSFM is worth of the higher tuition while Pforzheim indeed provides practice-oriented courses and wonderful lectures.
2.About language, for HHL and FSFM, normally there are International students while in Pforzheim there are more local students and could apply to switch the English class to a German one(it also provides German language MBA). It also offers free German classes. Would Pforzheim be a better school to learn language?
Thanks.
Posted Jan 19, 2020 11:24
1. You answered your own question. The great schools produce much higher salaries. They are much better investments.
2. HHL has mostly German students, and the long track there is ideal for people aiming to improve fluency in English. But don't pick a sub-optimal MBA on the basis of language classes. Outcomes from the German language MBA at the FP will be much worse. Any school can help you with learning German.
2. HHL has mostly German students, and the long track there is ideal for people aiming to improve fluency in English. But don't pick a sub-optimal MBA on the basis of language classes. Outcomes from the German language MBA at the FP will be much worse. Any school can help you with learning German.
Posted Jan 20, 2020 09:14
Hi Duncan. Thanks a lot for your answer. I had read many of your posts before and would like to thank you for being so kind and professional in this field. So your suggestion would be FSFM>HHL>Pforzheim>EBS. Right?
Posted Jan 20, 2020 15:25
Frankfurt first if you want finance work in Frankfurt. Otherwise I would put HHL above Frankfurt. EBS and Pforzheim are so different. EBS is posh and private, Pforzheim is very much a state school for engineering firms.
Posted Jan 21, 2020 17:17
Any school can help you with learning German.
I would just clarify: they will provide language classes, but due to bandwidth issues it will be pretty difficult to make a substantial improvement in your German language level during a full-time MBA.
You'll gain some if you focus but if you are starting from scratch there's simply not enough time to become fluent.
I would just clarify: they will provide language classes, but due to bandwidth issues it will be pretty difficult to make a substantial improvement in your German language level during a full-time MBA.
You'll gain some if you focus but if you are starting from scratch there's simply not enough time to become fluent.
Posted Jan 26, 2020 14:38
Thanks Duncan and Larry. For language, I will try to get B1 or B2 before the start of course. I also found in Frankfurt, I could find a language center at night or weekends which I think would be an advantage of considering the city.
Posted Jan 26, 2020 20:27
Just on Larry's point about improving in the course. Different schools will have different settings and different levels of German language support. Imagine the long MBA in Leipzig, where they will have to learn some German, and a short MBA in a big West German city where you can so everything in English, like Frankfurt.
Posted Jan 27, 2020 21:02
Thanks Duncan and Larry. For language, I will try to get B1 or B2 before the start of course. I also found in Frankfurt, I could find a language center at night or weekends which I think would be an advantage of considering the city.
Don't underestimate the time requirements of a full-time MBA: nights and weekends will often be consumed by school work, networking, and events.
Don't underestimate the time requirements of a full-time MBA: nights and weekends will often be consumed by school work, networking, and events.
Posted Feb 05, 2020 08:15
@candy2020 Pforzheim is a great school and it's focus isn't just on engineering. I'm currently doing the International MBA and we have C-suite & director level guests in classroom. They offer intensive language courses as part of the curriculum & the program is SUPER international, we have over 9 different nationalities in the classroom. Some of the regular master's courses have more Germans but the International MBA is very diverse as I know from experience.
The curriculum is also more focused on applied sciences instead of theory so you do a lot more practical work. In regards to salaries, you can still get a high salary with an MBA from Pforzheim. We have a TON of alumni in upper level management in Frankfurt, Munich, Stuttgart, Cologne, etc. In regards to bang for your buck, this is easily one of the best MBA's you can get.
[Edited by 00578 on Feb 05, 2020]
The curriculum is also more focused on applied sciences instead of theory so you do a lot more practical work. In regards to salaries, you can still get a high salary with an MBA from Pforzheim. We have a TON of alumni in upper level management in Frankfurt, Munich, Stuttgart, Cologne, etc. In regards to bang for your buck, this is easily one of the best MBA's you can get.
Posted Feb 05, 2020 13:36
Nine is super international?!?
Posted Feb 10, 2020 20:54
Class size is something like 20-25 students. My guess is there are (relatively) quite a lot of students from single countries (India, China...) Probably not a lot of Germans in the MBA so in that sense it might be considered international!
Posted Feb 24, 2020 16:55
Nine is super international?!?
We have had dozens of different countries in our program. My class of 20 has 9 different nationalities, all from different regions of their respective countries. In that regard, it is more international than many MBA programs such as Heilbronn, ESB, etc.
On another note, I don't appreciate your passive aggressive remarks, it is not conducive to the nature of this site. It feels like you constantly attack others for voicing their actual opinions and experiences. Please accept others right to state their opinions in this forum.
We have had dozens of different countries in our program. My class of 20 has 9 different nationalities, all from different regions of their respective countries. In that regard, it is more international than many MBA programs such as Heilbronn, ESB, etc.
On another note, I don't appreciate your passive aggressive remarks, it is not conducive to the nature of this site. It feels like you constantly attack others for voicing their actual opinions and experiences. Please accept others right to state their opinions in this forum.
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