Bentley Vs. Thunderbird


laith

I have been accepted by both Bentley and Thunderbird. i have 7 years working experience and i am looking to work on multinational firm after graduation in Management consulting or IT consulting.

Please which one do you recommend ?

I have been accepted by both Bentley and Thunderbird. i have 7 years working experience and i am looking to work on multinational firm after graduation in Management consulting or IT consulting.

Please which one do you recommend ?
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Duncan

Thunderbird has very weak placement.

Thunderbird has very weak placement.
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laith

yes you are right, however i don't have clear statistics about Bentley work placement. moreover how popular is Bentley MBA program ?

yes you are right, however i don't have clear statistics about Bentley work placement. moreover how popular is Bentley MBA program ?
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Duncan

It's not great ($75,616, 68.2% employed at graduation) lower salary but better placement than Thunderbird for the reasons you can read about if you search this discussion board.

Better options would be, well, better...

PS http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/bentley-university-mccallum-01106

It's not great ($75,616, 68.2% employed at graduation) lower salary but better placement than Thunderbird for the reasons you can read about if you search this discussion board.

Better options would be, well, better...

PS http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/bentley-university-mccallum-01106
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laith

out of your experience, which one is more accurate, the statistics on the university website or on forums such as us-news or poets & Quants ?

out of your experience, which one is more accurate, the statistics on the university website or on forums such as us-news or poets & Quants ?
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Duncan

Well, that depends a little on the university. I would look for as much data as possible. I like findthebest.com because it can be corrected by readers.

Well, that depends a little on the university. I would look for as much data as possible. I like findthebest.com because it can be corrected by readers.
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mba hipste...

It's not great ($75,616, 68.2% employed at graduation) but better than Thunderbird for the reasons you can read about if you search this discussion board.

Thunderbird's most recent career stats but their graduates' average salary at around $83k; but the percentage of grads who have jobs by three months after graduation is still less than 70%

My sense of Bentley is that it's more of a regional school, while Thunderbird has a much wider reach. Whether that translates into a job for you specifically is another question.

If you're looking at Bentley, why not consider another, better, school in this area? There's Boston University, Boston College, Suffolk Sawyer, UMass Boston...

<blockquote>It's not great ($75,616, 68.2% employed at graduation) but better than Thunderbird for the reasons you can read about if you search this discussion board.</blockquote>
Thunderbird's most recent career stats but their graduates' average salary at around $83k; but the percentage of grads who have jobs by three months after graduation is still less than 70%

My sense of Bentley is that it's more of a regional school, while Thunderbird has a much wider reach. Whether that translates into a job for you specifically is another question.

If you're looking at Bentley, why not consider another, better, school in this area? There's Boston University, Boston College, Suffolk Sawyer, UMass Boston...
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laith

well i have applied to another schools, and i didn't get a reply yet Bentley and Thunderbird have accepted me now. so i would like to figure out which will be better for me.

well for the schools that you mentioned i believe they require higher GMAT score than bentley.

So far i feel both of them are almost the same in terms of ranking while bentley tuition is less, however taking this decision should not be based on expenses as i consider it as a life time investment.

being on the other side of the world make it hard to take such decision as i didn't visit both campuses :S

well i have applied to another schools, and i didn't get a reply yet Bentley and Thunderbird have accepted me now. so i would like to figure out which will be better for me.

well for the schools that you mentioned i believe they require higher GMAT score than bentley.

So far i feel both of them are almost the same in terms of ranking while bentley tuition is less, however taking this decision should not be based on expenses as i consider it as a life time investment.

being on the other side of the world make it hard to take such decision as i didn't visit both campuses :S
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Duncan

Are you a consultant in the US now? How realistic is that with a MBA from either of these schools, which are rather similar in standing in the 80-something rank at US News, will get you where you want to be?

Are you a consultant in the US now? How realistic is that with a MBA from either of these schools, which are rather similar in standing in the 80-something rank at US News, will get you where you want to be?
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laith

no i am not. well i was looking for an answer of your question ! does any of these schools will put me where i want to be ?

no i am not. well i was looking for an answer of your question ! does any of these schools will put me where i want to be ?
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Duncan

I think there are three dimensions of change: country, industry and role. The more change you want, the more demanding the programme has to be. If you're not in the US already, then you need a two year programme to maximise the possibilities for internships and project experience (I imagine that Bentley encourage you to take their one year MBA). Real management consulting firms (i.e. firms that consult on how to manage, rather than on functional specialisations) are few in number and are highly selective. The strategic consulting firms hire overwhelmingly from the top ten MBAs.

So, if you want to work in IT, then really your best bet is to get a job with an IT firm in your own country and then move with them to the US, Focus on perfecting your English, and perhaps study IT rather than an MBA.

I think there are three dimensions of change: country, industry and role. The more change you want, the more demanding the programme has to be. If you're not in the US already, then you need a two year programme to maximise the possibilities for internships and project experience (I imagine that Bentley encourage you to take their one year MBA). Real management consulting firms (i.e. firms that consult on how to manage, rather than on functional specialisations) are few in number and are highly selective. The strategic consulting firms hire overwhelmingly from the top ten MBAs.

So, if you want to work in IT, then really your best bet is to get a job with an IT firm in your own country and then move with them to the US, Focus on perfecting your English, and perhaps study IT rather than an MBA.
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Duncan

I think the suggestion to consider Suffolk and UMass are excellent. But there's more economic growth in the South: NC, Texas, California and New Orleans are all worth looking at.

I think the suggestion to consider Suffolk and UMass are excellent. But there's more economic growth in the South: NC, Texas, California and New Orleans are all worth looking at.
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Thunderbird offers a great program with a diverse group of students. Over the time I have spent here, I got to interact with people from different countries and have learnt to communicate and work with them. We do have a global outreach and if you are looking at working in a multinational company I believe that you should find a good fit at Thunderbird. The recent batch of students have a minimum experience of 5-6years

In comparison to other schools, the placement numbers would look low given that we have a large population of international students looking for job in the United States and we have local U.S. students looking for jobs in countries where they require work authorization. As an international student I am keen in working in the U.S. but I need to make sure I find a company that provides work authorization. We also have some students who pack their bags after graduation and then visit countries for couple of months before starting to work( they want to visit and experience countries they would want to work in)

Some companies offer programs which place students in multiple locations over their period of service. Not to forget our alumni network is spread out and they are always there to provide assistance in any way possible. It?s about finding the right fit for your future goals and working towards it

-Shushank

Thunderbird offers a great program with a diverse group of students. Over the time I have spent here, I got to interact with people from different countries and have learnt to communicate and work with them. We do have a global outreach and if you are looking at working in a multinational company I believe that you should find a good fit at Thunderbird. The recent batch of students have a minimum experience of 5-6years

In comparison to other schools, the placement numbers would look low given that we have a large population of international students looking for job in the United States and we have local U.S. students looking for jobs in countries where they require work authorization. As an international student I am keen in working in the U.S. but I need to make sure I find a company that provides work authorization. We also have some students who pack their bags after graduation and then visit countries for couple of months before starting to work( they want to visit and experience countries they would want to work in)

Some companies offer programs which place students in multiple locations over their period of service. Not to forget our alumni network is spread out and they are always there to provide assistance in any way possible. It?s about finding the right fit for your future goals and working towards it&#61514;

-Shushank
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Duncan

Welcome to the forum Shushank, and thanks for such a detailed first post. Are there any other schools you'd recommend this person looks at?

There's a great article here http://poetsandquants.com/2013/04/06/b-schools-that-graduate-jobless-mbas/ about Thunderbird, which is one of the two worst schools for placement. Other schools have lots of international students (67% at Purdue, which places 83%; The same at Olin, which places 88%; Rady has 62% and places 71%; Rochester has 53% and places 92%). At Thunderbird the percentage is almost reversed: 76.1% of the graduating class *without* jobs at graduation

Thunderbird's alumni network is in revolt right now; perhaps placement would be better if they were more included to be helpful?

Welcome to the forum Shushank, and thanks for such a detailed first post. Are there any other schools you'd recommend this person looks at?

There's a great article here http://poetsandquants.com/2013/04/06/b-schools-that-graduate-jobless-mbas/ about Thunderbird, which is one of the two worst schools for placement. Other schools have lots of international students (67% at Purdue, which places 83%; The same at Olin, which places 88%; Rady has 62% and places 71%; Rochester has 53% and places 92%). At Thunderbird the percentage is almost reversed: 76.1% of the graduating class *without* jobs at graduation

Thunderbird's alumni network is in revolt right now; perhaps placement would be better if they were more included to be helpful?
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laith

Honestly this is a concern for me about Thunderbird Employment statistics, however i felt its reputation is more than Bentley !

Honestly this is a concern for me about Thunderbird Employment statistics, however i felt its reputation is more than Bentley !

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Duncan

Thunderbird was a great school http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-15/thunderbird-a-case-study-for-b-school-managers

Thunderbird was a great school http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-15/thunderbird-a-case-study-for-b-school-managers
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Thank you for the warm welcome Duncan.

Based on stats I would recommend Purdue. However, I would recommend Thunderbird for the value of International Business offered. I would also suggest Laith to research on the diversity of nationalities amongst international students. It will also be good to compare the program offerings and see if it fits his field of interest.

Recent news and forums speak about the alumni network revolt but is it the entire alumni network or is it just few out of the 40,000+! With change comes resistance and we are facing it too. Perhaps Laith can visit the nearest alumni meet which happens every first Tuesday of the month. I am sure they will give him good information as well as show their support for student body.

Thank you for the warm welcome Duncan.

Based on stats I would recommend Purdue. However, I would recommend Thunderbird for the value of International Business offered. I would also suggest Laith to research on the diversity of nationalities amongst international students. It will also be good to compare the program offerings and see if it fits his field of interest.

Recent news and forums speak about the alumni network revolt but is it the entire alumni network or is it just few out of the 40,000+! With change comes resistance and we are facing it too. Perhaps Laith can visit the nearest alumni meet which happens every first Tuesday of the month. I am sure they will give him good information as well as show their support for student body.
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Duncan

Of course alumni on both sides, and none, of the meltdown at Thunderbird support the student body. The school has failed despite that, and the school's international body is clearly not the reason why just one in four students has a job on graduating.

Of course alumni on both sides, and none, of the meltdown at Thunderbird support the student body. The school has failed despite that, and the school's international body is clearly not the reason why just one in four students has a job on graduating.
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laith

what i felt from this discussion that bentley is better choice for me as it will open more opportunities after graduation!!

what i felt from this discussion that bentley is better choice for me as it will open more opportunities after graduation!!
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Duncan

I also think that Shushank's suggestion that you should look at Purdue is a great one.

I also think that Shushank's suggestion that you should look at Purdue is a great one.
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