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How good is Skema for a Master in Finance?


Posted Nov 28, 2019 07:44

Is there a possibility that i can find a job in France without speaking french? It is in the top 5 for employment after 3 months, many of the indian grads that i see who graduated from it are working in france, it is also in the top 10 for mobility. Why are the outcomes strong considering that they dont ask for the gmat or even the english exam.

Is the mobility high because there are a lot of moroccan and algerian students who speak perfect french and stay back in france after graduation?

[Edited by frasier12345 on Nov 28, 2019]

Is there a possibility that i can find a job in France without speaking french? It is in the top 5 for employment after 3 months, many of the indian grads that i see who graduated from it are working in france, it is also in the top 10 for mobility. Why are the outcomes strong considering that they dont ask for the gmat or even the english exam.

Is the mobility high because there are a lot of moroccan and algerian students who speak perfect french and stay back in france after graduation?
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Posted Nov 29, 2019 16:53

Finding a job in France without speeking french is extremly difficult. I tried it after I already had several Investment Banking Internships in Milan/Zurich and London.
I know that there are a lot of students from ex colonies who speek french and sometimes class discussion take place in french even though the course language is english..
(This is true for some French Business Schools, like e.g. Grenoble ecole, Skema,Lyon BS)
If France I would only recommend the HEC. For Continental Europe have a look at WHU, St Gallen, University of Cologne or Bocconi

I would strongly advise you to go study your masters in the UK. Business Schools like Manchester or London BS offer top programs. If you don't like England too much you should consider Scotland. Edinburgh, Strathclyde or Adam Smith offer the right programs for international careers.

Finding a job in France without speeking french is extremly difficult. I tried it after I already had several Investment Banking Internships in Milan/Zurich and London.
I know that there are a lot of students from ex colonies who speek french and sometimes class discussion take place in french even though the course language is english..
(This is true for some French Business Schools, like e.g. Grenoble ecole, Skema,Lyon BS)
If France I would only recommend the HEC. For Continental Europe have a look at WHU, St Gallen, University of Cologne or Bocconi

I would strongly advise you to go study your masters in the UK. Business Schools like Manchester or London BS offer top programs. If you don't like England too much you should consider Scotland. Edinburgh, Strathclyde or Adam Smith offer the right programs for international careers.
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Inactive User

Posted Dec 02, 2019 22:13

Yes, it's not likely.

I'll tell you about the kinds of people I've known who have done this: they've studied at HEC or Insead, targeted global consulting firms, and had specialized knowledge about the countries and industries where these firms were trying to grow.

In these cases, they'd get recruited in France but generally moved back to their home countries after a couple years.

Yes, it's not likely.

I'll tell you about the kinds of people I've known who have done this: they've studied at HEC or Insead, targeted global consulting firms, and had specialized knowledge about the countries and industries where these firms were trying to grow.

In these cases, they'd get recruited in France but generally moved back to their home countries after a couple years.
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Inactive User

Posted Dec 03, 2019 05:15

Yes, it's not likely.

I'll tell you about the kinds of people I've known who have done this: they've studied at HEC or Insead, targeted global consulting firms, and had specialized knowledge about the countries and industries where these firms were trying to grow.

In these cases, they'd get recruited in France but generally moved back to their home countries after a couple years.

I am surprised to see that quite a few of the indian students who studied finance at skema or emlyon are actually working in France, according to their LinkedIn profiles

[quote]Yes, it's not likely.

I'll tell you about the kinds of people I've known who have done this: they've studied at HEC or Insead, targeted global consulting firms, and had specialized knowledge about the countries and industries where these firms were trying to grow.

In these cases, they'd get recruited in France but generally moved back to their home countries after a couple years.[/quote]
I am surprised to see that quite a few of the indian students who studied finance at skema or emlyon are actually working in France, according to their LinkedIn profiles
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Inactive User

Posted Dec 03, 2019 05:16

Also, is skema fairly ranked by the FT master in finance rankings? Why is it in the top 10?

Also, is skema fairly ranked by the FT master in finance rankings? Why is it in the top 10?
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Duncan

Posted Dec 03, 2019 09:30

French education is relatively quantitative, and the top French grandes ecoles do well. The five top schools are French: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-finance-pre-experience-2018. Within that group, Skema punches above its weight. Low salary should hold it back, but it does well many many other criteria: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/skema/masters-in-finance-pre-experience-2018#masters-in-finance-pre-experience-2018 Skema is a great option for international mobility. If I was French, I would focus on the average salary and % employed rather than the other metrics.

However, which ever way you look at it, HEC, EDHEC, ESCP and ESSEC will be better choices for most people. Skema is certainly above Grenoble, Kedge and the various IAE for finance.

French education is relatively quantitative, and the top French grandes ecoles do well. The five top schools are French: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-finance-pre-experience-2018. Within that group, Skema punches above its weight. Low salary should hold it back, but it does well many many other criteria: http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/skema/masters-in-finance-pre-experience-2018#masters-in-finance-pre-experience-2018 Skema is a great option for international mobility. If I was French, I would focus on the average salary and % employed rather than the other metrics.

However, which ever way you look at it, HEC, EDHEC, ESCP and ESSEC will be better choices for most people. Skema is certainly above Grenoble, Kedge and the various IAE for finance.
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Duncan

Posted Dec 03, 2019 09:33

Obviously the better schools for international mobility are shown by the FT ranking. Skema and ESCP have top ten for mobility and have 100% employment.

Obviously the better schools for international mobility are shown by the FT ranking. Skema and ESCP have top ten for mobility and have 100% employment.
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Inactive User

Posted Dec 03, 2019 14:13

Obviously the better schools for international mobility are shown by the FT ranking. Skema and ESCP have top ten for mobility and have 100% employment.

Can this data be trusted? Is skema a viable option for an Indian student who doesn't speak French?

[quote]Obviously the better schools for international mobility are shown by the FT ranking. Skema and ESCP have top ten for mobility and have 100% employment.[/quote]
Can this data be trusted? Is skema a viable option for an Indian student who doesn't speak French?
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Duncan

Posted Dec 03, 2019 14:54

The data are reliable and the trend seems solid from year to year. And around 3 in four students there are international, so that is impressive. But past performance is not always a predictor. Why not approach and ask
& to speak to a recent Indian graduate?
- What % of the students speak French professionally?

The data are reliable and the trend seems solid from year to year. And around 3 in four students there are international, so that is impressive. But past performance is not always a predictor. Why not approach and ask
& to speak to a recent Indian graduate?
- What % of the students speak French professionally?
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Inactive User

Posted Dec 03, 2019 15:43

The data are reliable and the trend seems solid from year to year. And around 3 in four students there are international, so that is impressive. But past performance is not always a predictor. Why not approach and ask
& to speak to a recent Indian graduate?
- What % of the students speak French professionally?

I talked to some of the current students. They said that many of their seniors found a job in France without having to learn French. Idk how that is possible but that is what they said. From my understanding, skema doesn't place well in investment banking but it does place well in smaller firms, startups and the big 4. I might be wrong. However, they don't require the GMAT for their masters programs unlike other programs in the top 10. Places like UCD, etc also seem to do pretty well on the rankings and they don't require the GMAT too

[quote]The data are reliable and the trend seems solid from year to year. And around 3 in four students there are international, so that is impressive. But past performance is not always a predictor. Why not approach and ask
& to speak to a recent Indian graduate?
- What % of the students speak French professionally? [/quote]
I talked to some of the current students. They said that many of their seniors found a job in France without having to learn French. Idk how that is possible but that is what they said. From my understanding, skema doesn't place well in investment banking but it does place well in smaller firms, startups and the big 4. I might be wrong. However, they don't require the GMAT for their masters programs unlike other programs in the top 10. Places like UCD, etc also seem to do pretty well on the rankings and they don't require the GMAT too
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Duncan

Posted Dec 03, 2019 18:50

You can use LinkedIn to get more insight. See the article linked from my profile page for a guide.

You can use LinkedIn to get more insight. See the article linked from my profile page for a guide.
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Posted Dec 04, 2019 07:35

You can use LinkedIn to get more insight. See the article linked from my profile page for a guide.


hello Duncan, what is a better school for a master in management? Skema, UCD, HEC Lausanne, UC3M, Victoria university wellington?
i am leaning towards UCD but Skema also seems to be an excellent option. Most of the indian students i have talked to said that they found jobs in France, germany and elsewhere and didnt have to go back to india post graduation. I also liked new zealand as the victoria uni masters was in business analytics and also had modules of computer science. My aim is to work in strategic consultancy. What should i do?

[quote]You can use LinkedIn to get more insight. See the article linked from my profile page for a guide. [/quote]

hello Duncan, what is a better school for a master in management? Skema, UCD, HEC Lausanne, UC3M, Victoria university wellington?
i am leaning towards UCD but Skema also seems to be an excellent option. Most of the indian students i have talked to said that they found jobs in France, germany and elsewhere and didnt have to go back to india post graduation. I also liked new zealand as the victoria uni masters was in business analytics and also had modules of computer science. My aim is to work in strategic consultancy. What should i do?
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Duncan

Posted Dec 04, 2019 08:48

The FT ranking has great data: also see Which MSc's are better than pre-experience 'Freshers' MBAs? www.find-mba.com/board/22783

The FT ranking has great data: also see Which MSc's are better than pre-experience 'Freshers' MBAs? www.find-mba.com/board/22783
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Duncan

Posted Dec 04, 2019 08:49

Also see https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-msc-mim-degrees-for-international-students-placement-52915

Also see https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-msc-mim-degrees-for-international-students-placement-52915
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maury

Posted Dec 05, 2019 15:41

That's a very wide variety of business schools you're applying to!

UCD probably has the edge in terms of ranking, and especially if you don't speak any other European languages at the professional level. It's also number one in terms of international mobility (via the FT), and since it seems your goal is to transition elsewhere this is something to consider.

Victoria University Wellington could also be an option but since there's no data available in terms of post-degree jobs or international mobility, you might want to ask them about the likelihood of someone in your position making the shift that you want to make.

That's a very wide variety of business schools you're applying to!

UCD probably has the edge in terms of ranking, and especially if you don't speak any other European languages at the professional level. It's also number one in terms of international mobility (via the FT), and since it seems your goal is to transition elsewhere this is something to consider.

Victoria University Wellington could also be an option but since there's no data available in terms of post-degree jobs or international mobility, you might want to ask them about the likelihood of someone in your position making the shift that you want to make.

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Inactive User

Posted Dec 06, 2019 16:46

That's a very wide variety of business schools you're applying to!

UCD probably has the edge in terms of ranking, and especially if you don't speak any other European languages at the professional level. It's also number one in terms of international mobility (via the FT), and since it seems your goal is to transition elsewhere this is something to consider.

Victoria University Wellington could also be an option but since there's no data available in terms of post-degree jobs or international mobility, you might want to ask them about the likelihood of someone in your position making the shift that you want to make.


I got an admit from university of Melbourne and university of Otago too. What should I do? I thought skema was the best option out of all of them. I also want to pursue finance and would choose a finance degree over a management one at UCD. What is the best option?

[quote]That's a very wide variety of business schools you're applying to!

UCD probably has the edge in terms of ranking, and especially if you don't speak any other European languages at the professional level. It's also number one in terms of international mobility (via the FT), and since it seems your goal is to transition elsewhere this is something to consider.

Victoria University Wellington could also be an option but since there's no data available in terms of post-degree jobs or international mobility, you might want to ask them about the likelihood of someone in your position making the shift that you want to make.

[/quote]
I got an admit from university of Melbourne and university of Otago too. What should I do? I thought skema was the best option out of all of them. I also want to pursue finance and would choose a finance degree over a management one at UCD. What is the best option?
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Posted Dec 07, 2019 06:49

Also see https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-msc-mim-degrees-for-international-students-placement-52915

Dear Ducan and Maury. I will be mainly using this degree to transition to a different country, hence international mobility is one of the most important criteria for my decision. I have an undergraduate degree in finance and have worked in luxury brand management and accounting. I am aware that Ireland has a lot of IT and back office finance jobs and a lot of international students have managed to gain employment in the country.

Interestingly enough, i noticed that most of the attendant of the QS grad fair in my city gravitated towards University college dublin. I would consider myself lucky as i had very low grades and still got accepted to all the schools that i applied to even though UCD and TCD were skeptical about handing out an offer to me. A lot of the people i talked to got rejected by them as there is a surge in the applications to these schools from places like India.

i have researched the roles that Indian students got after these programs. I would add that UCD probably had the best placements with people getting jobs in analytics at Big 4. The students who graduated from Skema got jobs in french firms which i have never heard of before. I messaged Victoria University Wellington asking for their placements of indian students who had successfully transitioned into the kiwi job market. They dont seem to have a lot of indian students as most of the people from here go to the cheapest unis. They did, however send me 5 linkedin profiles of indian students who were working in NZ and all of them had jobs related to business analytics and data science in Auckland or Wellington. The sample size is smaller than other schools though.

[quote]Also see https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-msc-mim-degrees-for-international-students-placement-52915 [/quote]
Dear Ducan and Maury. I will be mainly using this degree to transition to a different country, hence international mobility is one of the most important criteria for my decision. I have an undergraduate degree in finance and have worked in luxury brand management and accounting. I am aware that Ireland has a lot of IT and back office finance jobs and a lot of international students have managed to gain employment in the country.

Interestingly enough, i noticed that most of the attendant of the QS grad fair in my city gravitated towards University college dublin. I would consider myself lucky as i had very low grades and still got accepted to all the schools that i applied to even though UCD and TCD were skeptical about handing out an offer to me. A lot of the people i talked to got rejected by them as there is a surge in the applications to these schools from places like India.

i have researched the roles that Indian students got after these programs. I would add that UCD probably had the best placements with people getting jobs in analytics at Big 4. The students who graduated from Skema got jobs in french firms which i have never heard of before. I messaged Victoria University Wellington asking for their placements of indian students who had successfully transitioned into the kiwi job market. They dont seem to have a lot of indian students as most of the people from here go to the cheapest unis. They did, however send me 5 linkedin profiles of indian students who were working in NZ and all of them had jobs related to business analytics and data science in Auckland or Wellington. The sample size is smaller than other schools though.
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Duncan

Posted Dec 07, 2019 14:32

Skema does look like a strong option but, if it and UCD both looks good to you, then UCD has also all the cultural and linguistic advantages that someone from one former British colony will find in the other, as well as more relevant soft skills and greater progression.

Skema does look like a strong option but, if it and UCD both looks good to you, then UCD has also all the cultural and linguistic advantages that someone from one former British colony will find in the other, as well as more relevant soft skills and greater progression.
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Inactive User

Posted Dec 08, 2019 18:32

Skema does look like a strong option but, if it and UCD both looks good to you, then UCD has also all the cultural and linguistic advantages that someone from one former British colony will find in the other, as well as more relevant soft skills and greater progression.

Do you think NZ is a bad option in comparison to the rest?

[quote]Skema does look like a strong option but, if it and UCD both looks good to you, then UCD has also all the cultural and linguistic advantages that someone from one former British colony will find in the other, as well as more relevant soft skills and greater progression. [/quote]
Do you think NZ is a bad option in comparison to the rest?
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Duncan

Posted Dec 08, 2019 19:07

There's not enough data for me to be confident about NZ.

There's not enough data for me to be confident about NZ.
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