EMBA at HEC or ESCP


HECalumni
I've done the standard HEC EMBA; and yes HEC purposefully market their TRIUM EMBA as a "Global" EMBA, all in English like INSEAD, and very selective. Their standard EMBA is more targeted to the French crowd, though the English module attracts international students. That's the reason why the standard EMBA is not ranked. But if they can do TRIUM, rest assure the standard is up there in quality.
Now you've got to realise that INSEAD and HEC strategy is based on EMBA fees: the higher the fee, the more selective and higher ranking on the management ladder the crowd. That also means the heavier the alumni network. And even though the standard EMBA is quite French due to its crowd, in this day and age, managers expatriate. 3 of my class live in North America, one in Brazil, etc.
As for the "entrepreneurial" bent of this EMBA, it boils down to the opportunity of spending 1 week at Babson, which focuses on entrepreneurship. My goal going in wasn't to become one, i didn't get tempted going through, and I'm still not one today, though it has helped me greatly changing career and getting to the next level.
My classmates were from all over: CAC 40, family business, bank, army, private equity, IT, industry. Most of them heavy hitters whether they were self-financing, or getting their EMBA paid for them.

[Edited by HECalumni on Jun 25, 2018]

I've done the standard HEC EMBA; and yes HEC purposefully market their TRIUM EMBA as a "Global" EMBA, all in English like INSEAD, and very selective. Their standard EMBA is more targeted to the French crowd, though the English module attracts international students. That's the reason why the standard EMBA is not ranked. But if they can do TRIUM, rest assure the standard is up there in quality.
Now you've got to realise that INSEAD and HEC strategy is based on EMBA fees: the higher the fee, the more selective and higher ranking on the management ladder the crowd. That also means the heavier the alumni network. And even though the standard EMBA is quite French due to its crowd, in this day and age, managers expatriate. 3 of my class live in North America, one in Brazil, etc.
As for the "entrepreneurial" bent of this EMBA, it boils down to the opportunity of spending 1 week at Babson, which focuses on entrepreneurship. My goal going in wasn't to become one, i didn't get tempted going through, and I'm still not one today, though it has helped me greatly changing career and getting to the next level.
My classmates were from all over: CAC 40, family business, bank, army, private equity, IT, industry. Most of them heavy hitters whether they were self-financing, or getting their EMBA paid for them.
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Larry

Now you've got to realise that INSEAD and HEC strategy is based on EMBA fees: the higher the fee, the more selective and higher ranking on the management ladder the crowd.


I would think it's rather the opposite: world-class business schools can charge higher fees because they provide the networking opportunities and a great education.

[Edited by Larry on Jun 27, 2018]

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Now you've got to realise that INSEAD and HEC strategy is based on EMBA fees: the higher the fee, the more selective and higher ranking on the management ladder the crowd. [/quote]

I would think it's rather the opposite: world-class business schools can charge higher fees because they provide the networking opportunities and a great education.
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Duncan
It works both ways. High price is a market signal.
It works both ways. High price is a market signal.
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Thanks all for your feedback. Just had result from HEC and I am admitted to the program.
Choice between HEC and ESCP is still tough for me, but I think I will go for the most reasonable choice of HEC.
It fits better in my calendar and obviously the brand is quite important here.
But ESCP programme really looked great, I have hesitated until last moment.
Thanks all for your feedback. Just had result from HEC and I am admitted to the program.
Choice between HEC and ESCP is still tough for me, but I think I will go for the most reasonable choice of HEC.
It fits better in my calendar and obviously the brand is quite important here.
But ESCP programme really looked great, I have hesitated until last moment.
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Duncan
Bizzare.
Bizzare.
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Why bizarre?
Why bizarre?
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Duncan
For the reasons discussed on the thread. The cohort is worse. The outcomes are worse. The curriculum is worse. If you just want the HEC alumni network, take their online micromasters.
For the reasons discussed on the thread. The cohort is worse. The outcomes are worse. The curriculum is worse. If you just want the HEC alumni network, take their online micromasters.
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Well I did not see anybody saying on this thread that HEC was worse, it is maybe your interpretation based on what you rpefer in an EMBA.

HEC and ESCP curriculum seem quite equivalent in terms of core courses (ESCP core courses are just their GMP programme too).

Where ESCP is better in my oinion is the possibility to travel around the various campuses in Europe, and there is one more business trip. HEC definitely needs to improve on this.

Otherwise HEC is still better in terms of reputation, and I feel that their leadership and career/coaching program looks better. It is also possible also to follow some modules in China or Qatar.

About the cohort, maybe at HEC there is more non classical profiles, but I don't see this as a weakness, as long as it is still mixed with more classical ones. After discussing with some recent alumnis, it seems to be the case. And even on this thread it has been confirmed there is high diversity of profile, company or self funding candidates (I will be self funding). The cohort is also more senior at HEC, with people having or having had more high level positions. This is a strength in my opinion.

After having visited both campus, and attended masterclasses, I felt the atmosphere was nice in both schools. I was quite sceptical about HEC, which I thought would be quite cold and elitist, and finally not, teachers and the staff were pretty nice.

Major difference is the ranking, but honestly companies in France look at the business school reputation, not the ranking, and here HEC is the winner (and ESCP could fall back in the ranking in coming years).

HEC also has some avantages related to my specific case, with the different funding plans in France it could be 15 k€ cheaper than ESCP, and courses will end Dec 2019, which is better for me (as a side note, the courses end in December, but the official graduation is in July, with all other intakes).

As I said it has been a tough choice for me, and maybe somebody will make different choice acording their feeling and wishes (honestly I think most people in my case will choose HEC, especially to work in France). But I don't think we can say HEC is worse.

Thanks anyway for the discussion and your comments, it is hard to find such forum about these programs, and it helped me in making my choice ;-)
Well I did not see anybody saying on this thread that HEC was worse, it is maybe your interpretation based on what you rpefer in an EMBA.

HEC and ESCP curriculum seem quite equivalent in terms of core courses (ESCP core courses are just their GMP programme too).

Where ESCP is better in my oinion is the possibility to travel around the various campuses in Europe, and there is one more business trip. HEC definitely needs to improve on this.

Otherwise HEC is still better in terms of reputation, and I feel that their leadership and career/coaching program looks better. It is also possible also to follow some modules in China or Qatar.

About the cohort, maybe at HEC there is more non classical profiles, but I don't see this as a weakness, as long as it is still mixed with more classical ones. After discussing with some recent alumnis, it seems to be the case. And even on this thread it has been confirmed there is high diversity of profile, company or self funding candidates (I will be self funding). The cohort is also more senior at HEC, with people having or having had more high level positions. This is a strength in my opinion.

After having visited both campus, and attended masterclasses, I felt the atmosphere was nice in both schools. I was quite sceptical about HEC, which I thought would be quite cold and elitist, and finally not, teachers and the staff were pretty nice.

Major difference is the ranking, but honestly companies in France look at the business school reputation, not the ranking, and here HEC is the winner (and ESCP could fall back in the ranking in coming years).

HEC also has some avantages related to my specific case, with the different funding plans in France it could be 15 k€ cheaper than ESCP, and courses will end Dec 2019, which is better for me (as a side note, the courses end in December, but the official graduation is in July, with all other intakes).

As I said it has been a tough choice for me, and maybe somebody will make different choice acording their feeling and wishes (honestly I think most people in my case will choose HEC, especially to work in France). But I don't think we can say HEC is worse.

Thanks anyway for the discussion and your comments, it is hard to find such forum about these programs, and it helped me in making my choice ;-)
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Dear all
Admitted to both EMBA ESCP and ESSEC-MANNHEIM what is the best option if I expect to work in the energy industry or to start my own business?
[quote]Dear all
Admitted to both EMBA ESCP and ESSEC-MANNHEIM what is the best option if I expect to work in the energy industry or to start my own business?[/quote]
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@Ducan:
I've been admitted to ESCP and ESSEC & Mannheim and I really don't know which one to chose...

When you did your ranking you said there is a "Big Gap" between ESCP and Essec in term of salary. My question is: do you said that because if the FT 2017 Ranking (ESCP 10 while ESSEC 47) or do you have other supporting evidences to share?
Than you for you help I need to decide by Monday 23rd of July
kindly
Cleope
@Ducan:
I've been admitted to ESCP and ESSEC & Mannheim and I really don't know which one to chose...

When you did your ranking you said there is a "Big Gap" between ESCP and Essec in term of salary. My question is: do you said that because if the FT 2017 Ranking (ESCP 10 while ESSEC 47) or do you have other supporting evidences to share?
Than you for you help I need to decide by Monday 23rd of July
kindly
Cleope
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Duncan
Someone asked the same question last month: https://find-mba.com/about/Michmich
Someone asked the same question last month: https://find-mba.com/about/Michmich
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@Ducan: I know but my question was regarding the "BIG GAP"?
also it has been told me that ESCP is more classical in term of profile while Essec there are more marketing and communication profiles. Do you think this is true?
@Ducan: I know but my question was regarding the "BIG GAP"?
also it has been told me that ESCP is more classical in term of profile while Essec there are more marketing and communication profiles. Do you think this is true?
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Duncan
Try comparing the students and alumni on LinkedIn. I think you'll see the difference.
Try comparing the students and alumni on LinkedIn. I think you'll see the difference.
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Larry
@Ducan: I know but my question was regarding the "BIG GAP"?

There's a big gap between the schools in the EMBA Ranking, not only in terms of the ranking number but post-EMBA salary and salary growth.
[quote]@Ducan: I know but my question was regarding the "BIG GAP"?[/quote]
There's a big gap between the schools in the EMBA Ranking, not only in terms of the ranking number but post-EMBA salary and salary growth.
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ABFrance
Hi there. Late first post from me.

Just sharing here a personal thought. I've been accurately scanning the programs, teacher, networks etc...

I've took the decision to join the EDHEC EMBA and not the ESCP or ESSEC. For one simple reason : all the teachers at EDHEC have had a long professional life.

I've been admitted to the ESSEC-Mannheim but clearly, dynamic is not the same. In my opinion, rankings are not everything.

Regarding HEC one comment : it was by far the best business school in France during many years. They have clearly lost the lead and sell more today a brand than real skills.

One last point regarding my choice : this is a 12 months program. Not an 18 months one. And it made also the difference at the end.
Hi there. Late first post from me.

Just sharing here a personal thought. I've been accurately scanning the programs, teacher, networks etc...

I've took the decision to join the EDHEC EMBA and not the ESCP or ESSEC. For one simple reason : all the teachers at EDHEC have had a long professional life.

I've been admitted to the ESSEC-Mannheim but clearly, dynamic is not the same. In my opinion, rankings are not everything.

Regarding HEC one comment : it was by far the best business school in France during many years. They have clearly lost the lead and sell more today a brand than real skills.

One last point regarding my choice : this is a 12 months program. Not an 18 months one. And it made also the difference at the end.
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mcgr
Interesting discussion, if I had known about the non-Trium HEC EMBA I think I would have strongly considered it. I'm learning a fair amount in my global EMBA, but there is definitely an assumption that you have worked in very large organizations, and much of the curriculum is around issues that crop up there. And there is definitely more emphasis on older business models, more goods, less services, less online, less startup, etc. That's fine, and much of those lessons are universal and can easily be transferable to newer business models...but having worked mostly at small companies I do feel a bit out of place at times.
Interesting discussion, if I had known about the non-Trium HEC EMBA I think I would have strongly considered it. I'm learning a fair amount in my global EMBA, but there is definitely an assumption that you have worked in very large organizations, and much of the curriculum is around issues that crop up there. And there is definitely more emphasis on older business models, more goods, less services, less online, less startup, etc. That's fine, and much of those lessons are universal and can easily be transferable to newer business models...but having worked mostly at small companies I do feel a bit out of place at times.
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Hi there!
So just started my EMBA at HEC. Ant the first week was already a great start, focusing on leadership.
Regarding the cohort, I feel it is very diverse both in terms of background than in terms of nationalities. We are around 45% french students, not that bad (the program is taught fully in English). Some are working in big companies (the majority), some like me in smaller ones, and some are in transition or creating their own company. Already had great chats with my peers, and some alumni.
FYI this EMBA program will be ranked in the next FT ranking. Although they do not expect to be in the best ones at the beginning, it will be interesting to see where they are compared to ESCP based on FT criteria.
Hi there!
So just started my EMBA at HEC. Ant the first week was already a great start, focusing on leadership.
Regarding the cohort, I feel it is very diverse both in terms of background than in terms of nationalities. We are around 45% french students, not that bad (the program is taught fully in English). Some are working in big companies (the majority), some like me in smaller ones, and some are in transition or creating their own company. Already had great chats with my peers, and some alumni.
FYI this EMBA program will be ranked in the next FT ranking. Although they do not expect to be in the best ones at the beginning, it will be interesting to see where they are compared to ESCP based on FT criteria.
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Razors Edg...
The FT EMBA ranking should be out any day, so we will see soon!
The FT EMBA ranking should be out any day, so we will see soon!
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Michmich
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/executive-mba-ranking-2018
Let's have à look!
Impressed by the outstanding ranking of HEC.
Does it mean than they improve the level of their cohort ?
Pretty sure that ESSEC&MANNHEIM will come back in top 20 within 2 or 3 years.

[Edited by Michmich on Oct 15, 2018]

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/executive-mba-ranking-2018
Let's have à look!
Impressed by the outstanding ranking of HEC.
Does it mean than they improve the level of their cohort ?
Pretty sure that ESSEC&MANNHEIM will come back in top 20 within 2 or 3 years.
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