EBS Germany 2015 intake


Read the article and make up your own mind with taking a chance to be attacked and highest unemployment! Pforzheim is a small place But I visited Stutgart its a nice and rich city with many industries. I'm kinda having second thoughts why I have not chosen Pforzheim but anyway it's too late. I'm done within a month..


Read the article and it looks scary to be honest. I thought those days are gone where we had few problems in that region. Onur , I really owe you a lot :)Thanks for your help.

[quote]Read the article and make up your own mind with taking a chance to be attacked and highest unemployment! Pforzheim is a small place But I visited Stutgart its a nice and rich city with many industries. I'm kinda having second thoughts why I have not chosen Pforzheim but anyway it's too late. I'm done within a month..[/quote]

Read the article and it looks scary to be honest. I thought those days are gone where we had few problems in that region. Onur , I really owe you a lot :)Thanks for your help.
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Duncan

I think it's a good idea to consider Onur's experience in the general context of Germany as a German-speaking country (See - Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713 ) rather than in the middle of the refugee crisis. The experience that he, and other international students who don't speak German at a professional level, struggle to find work is not new. I don't understand why he is surprised that there are so few opportunities for people don't speak German.

So, to get back to the choice between HHL and Pforzheim, then I think a third choice has to be be an intenstive year or a semester in a university's DSH programme and then a masters taught in German (Probably in a STEM course http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/for-qualified-professionals/working/demanded-professions ). This would be cheaper and more effective if you wanted to move to Germany in order to find work. The Germany language is needed more in managerial roles than in STEM expert roles, since there's less involvement with customers).

I think it's a good idea to consider Onur's experience in the general context of Germany as a German-speaking country (See - Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713 ) rather than in the middle of the refugee crisis. The experience that he, and other international students who don't speak German at a professional level, struggle to find work is not new. I don't understand why he is surprised that there are so few opportunities for people don't speak German.

So, to get back to the choice between HHL and Pforzheim, then I think a third choice has to be be an intenstive year or a semester in a university's DSH programme and then a masters taught in German (Probably in a STEM course http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/for-qualified-professionals/working/demanded-professions ). This would be cheaper and more effective if you wanted to move to Germany in order to find work. The Germany language is needed more in managerial roles than in STEM expert roles, since there's less involvement with customers).
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Duncan

Assuming that you did speak German and did not want a STEM role then the choice between HHL and Pforzheim is really a trade-off between risk and reward. HHL would give you access to MBA-type roles with much higher salary, but you'd need to spend a lot a time networking and you'd certainly want to take the longer track. At Pforzheim you would be competing more for MSc level roles and I guess this big discount on salary helps clear Pforzheim MBAs out of the market but (as you can see on LinkedIn) many of them end up in STEM roles rather than in management. For classic MBA roles in general management, consulting or finance then HHL is a much better choice (and better schools would be even better).

There are violent racists and nationalists almost everywhere in the world, but MBA students rarely feel the force of that violence. It's the fear that is the bigger danger, since it prevents international students from leaving campus, from improving their knowledge of the language and from thus becoming really movivated to develop the active networking needed to find work in Europe.

Assuming that you did speak German and did not want a STEM role then the choice between HHL and Pforzheim is really a trade-off between risk and reward. HHL would give you access to MBA-type roles with much higher salary, but you'd need to spend a lot a time networking and you'd certainly want to take the longer track. At Pforzheim you would be competing more for MSc level roles and I guess this big discount on salary helps clear Pforzheim MBAs out of the market but (as you can see on LinkedIn) many of them end up in STEM roles rather than in management. For classic MBA roles in general management, consulting or finance then HHL is a much better choice (and better schools would be even better).

There are violent racists and nationalists almost everywhere in the world, but MBA students rarely feel the force of that violence. It's the fear that is the bigger danger, since it prevents international students from leaving campus, from improving their knowledge of the language and from thus becoming really movivated to develop the active networking needed to find work in Europe.
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I think it's a good idea to consider Onur's experience in the general context of Germany as a German-speaking country (See - Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713 ) rather than in the middle of the refugee crisis. The experience that he, and other international students who don't speak German at a professional level, struggle to find work is not new. I don't understand why he is surprised that there are so few opportunities for people don't speak German.

So, to get back to the choice between HHL and Pforzheim, then I think a third choice has to be be an intenstive year or a semester in a university's DSH programme and then a masters taught in German (Probably in a STEM course http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/for-qualified-professionals/working/demanded-professions ). This would be cheaper and more effective if you wanted to move to Germany in order to find work. The Germany language is needed more in managerial roles than in STEM expert roles, since there's less involvement with customers).


Thanks for your suggestion Duncan. I am only looking for something outside technology to be honest. I don't mind learning a language to better my prospects of getting a managerial job. I have embraced this requirement and I am working towards it. I am at A2 level now and planning to finish till B1 by the time I land in Germany.

Since Pforzheim has a good language course sandwiched with the MBA, I think it will help as well. We have to give 3 years at least to master any language. If you happen to visit Germany post September please do inform. It would be great to pick up your brain. :)

Cheers,
S

[quote]I think it's a good idea to consider Onur's experience in the general context of Germany as a German-speaking country (See - Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713 ) rather than in the middle of the refugee crisis. The experience that he, and other international students who don't speak German at a professional level, struggle to find work is not new. I don't understand why he is surprised that there are so few opportunities for people don't speak German.

So, to get back to the choice between HHL and Pforzheim, then I think a third choice has to be be an intenstive year or a semester in a university's DSH programme and then a masters taught in German (Probably in a STEM course http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/for-qualified-professionals/working/demanded-professions ). This would be cheaper and more effective if you wanted to move to Germany in order to find work. The Germany language is needed more in managerial roles than in STEM expert roles, since there's less involvement with customers). [/quote]

Thanks for your suggestion Duncan. I am only looking for something outside technology to be honest. I don't mind learning a language to better my prospects of getting a managerial job. I have embraced this requirement and I am working towards it. I am at A2 level now and planning to finish till B1 by the time I land in Germany.

Since Pforzheim has a good language course sandwiched with the MBA, I think it will help as well. We have to give 3 years at least to master any language. If you happen to visit Germany post September please do inform. It would be great to pick up your brain. :)

Cheers,
S
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Onur76

Thesouthpaw , you are welcome! Yes i knew i needed to speak German but we were ill informed about the severity of German language needs here +99%! I thought it would be still 5-10% in English at least. Honestly most of my class is in deep shock not even be able to get an internship...

Thesouthpaw , you are welcome! Yes i knew i needed to speak German but we were ill informed about the severity of German language needs here +99%! I thought it would be still 5-10% in English at least. Honestly most of my class is in deep shock not even be able to get an internship...
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Duncan

Even unpaid internships? Maybe it's a good opportunity to try to work on some start-up ideas or pitch internationalisation projects to local businesses? EBS has a supposedly very tight alumni network: can it help?

[Edited by Duncan on Apr 03, 2016]

Even unpaid internships? Maybe it's a good opportunity to try to work on some start-up ideas or pitch internationalisation projects to local businesses? EBS has a supposedly very tight alumni network: can it help?
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Duncan

I could imagine that the 1% of jobs that don't require German could be the most interesting and so the German-speaking students are also applying for them and -- even for a job that does not obviously require German -- it cannot hurt to hire someone who speaks it so you can promote the person into another role more easily.

I could imagine that the 1% of jobs that don't require German could be the most interesting and so the German-speaking students are also applying for them and -- even for a job that does not obviously require German -- it cannot hurt to hire someone who speaks it so you can promote the person into another role more easily.
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Duncan

Southpaw, I'm in Germany quite often but mostly in Munich (I also studied at the LMU) or Berlin. I have not been back to the HHL for 15 years! But let me know where you end up and I will try to visit.

[Edited by Duncan on Apr 03, 2016]

Southpaw, I'm in Germany quite often but mostly in Munich (I also studied at the LMU) or Berlin. I have not been back to the HHL for 15 years! But let me know where you end up and I will try to visit.
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Onur76

yes. it would come to that if I exhaust my other efforts.Thanks.

yes. it would come to that if I exhaust my other efforts.Thanks.
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I think ESMT , Mannheim and also WHU. But you should talk to Alumnis.


Hi Onur,

I desperately need your help. I got the admit from WHU. Earlier I was considering only Pforzheim but after talking to few of the WHU alumni,I am really giving WHU a serious thought.
I am at A2 level of German and I expect to come to Germany at B1 level. I have talked to few of the Non EU guys and they vouch for its career services. In fact one guy with 0 level of German got a job after 6 months from the Start of the program. This is someting I haven't heard till now.
Could you please let me know your views.

[quote]I think ESMT , Mannheim and also WHU. But you should talk to Alumnis. [/quote]

Hi Onur,

I desperately need your help. I got the admit from WHU. Earlier I was considering only Pforzheim but after talking to few of the WHU alumni,I am really giving WHU a serious thought.
I am at A2 level of German and I expect to come to Germany at B1 level. I have talked to few of the Non EU guys and they vouch for its career services. In fact one guy with 0 level of German got a job after 6 months from the Start of the program. This is someting I haven't heard till now.
Could you please let me know your views.
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Onur76

I heard good things about WHU and they take you only if you are B1 level. In Germany it comes to your German and your connections in the end and of course better education always help too. Btw I accidentally report you as a spam. Please let administrator know or open another post. Sorry about that.

I heard good things about WHU and they take you only if you are B1 level. In Germany it comes to your German and your connections in the end and of course better education always help too. Btw I accidentally report you as a spam. Please let administrator know or open another post. Sorry about that.
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Thanks Onur. I really appreciate your willingness to help MBA aspirants.


I heard good things about WHU and they take you only if you are B1 level. In Germany it comes to your German and your connections in the end and of course better education always help too. Btw I accidentally report you as a spam. Please let administrator know or open another post. Sorry about that.

Thanks Onur. I really appreciate your willingness to help MBA aspirants.


[quote]I heard good things about WHU and they take you only if you are B1 level. In Germany it comes to your German and your connections in the end and of course better education always help too. Btw I accidentally report you as a spam. Please let administrator know or open another post. Sorry about that. [/quote]
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Onur76

You are welcome always.

You are welcome always.
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It is average. Ok if you get 50% scholarship. To be honest I don't recommend either. East of Germany is full of Nazis. You should either aim high or go to cheapest reasonable option.


Please can you elaborate more on the EBS job prospects. I am an international student and have admits from UCD Smurfit and EBS for MS Finance. Which one should i go for and why? I got somewhat positive reviews from both the schools students though in germany language was an issue. I will be learning german a2 level before finally leaving (if i go) to EBS. Please give your insights. Thank you.

[quote]It is average. Ok if you get 50% scholarship. To be honest I don't recommend either. East of Germany is full of Nazis. You should either aim high or go to cheapest reasonable option. [/quote]

Please can you elaborate more on the EBS job prospects. I am an international student and have admits from UCD Smurfit and EBS for MS Finance. Which one should i go for and why? I got somewhat positive reviews from both the schools students though in germany language was an issue. I will be learning german a2 level before finally leaving (if i go) to EBS. Please give your insights. Thank you.
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Onur76

I don't know about the other school. No German here no jobs doesn't matter where you come from or what your experience is. The reason is that Germans are not confident in English. 99% job adds in German. Only people find jobs in English is through internship but this is only 5% in any class. if you are young you definitely need internship as well which is very hard too.

I don't know about the other school. No German here no jobs doesn't matter where you come from or what your experience is. The reason is that Germans are not confident in English. 99% job adds in German. Only people find jobs in English is through internship but this is only 5% in any class. if you are young you definitely need internship as well which is very hard too.
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mba hipste...

With a language level of A2 you'll probably struggle, in terms of finding German-language jobs, since by the end of the program there's virtually no chance you'd be able to get to business fluency. If you took another year of intensive language study before starting, that would make a huge difference.

With a language level of A2 you'll probably struggle, in terms of finding German-language jobs, since by the end of the program there's virtually no chance you'd be able to get to business fluency. If you took another year of intensive language study before starting, that would make a huge difference.
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Respirau

Hello everybody,

I am from Iran, living and working about 4 years now in Berlin. Although there are many white Iranians, I have dark skin and hair. Even so, I have not had a single problem with Germans in eat Germany even after this refugee crisis. I have heard about incidents migrants come across here and there, but I am pretty sure those would even happen in one's own country, and those incidents doesn't make east Germany a dangerous place to live and enjoy life.

Also as Duncan and others said, please do not understimate the importance of being fluent in German. If one comes here even with an MBA from Stanford not knowing the German language fluently, that degree means nothing to German employers.

Good Luck,

Best -- Respiau

Hello everybody,

I am from Iran, living and working about 4 years now in Berlin. Although there are many white Iranians, I have dark skin and hair. Even so, I have not had a single problem with Germans in eat Germany even after this refugee crisis. I have heard about incidents migrants come across here and there, but I am pretty sure those would even happen in one's own country, and those incidents doesn't make east Germany a dangerous place to live and enjoy life.

Also as Duncan and others said, please do not understimate the importance of being fluent in German. If one comes here even with an MBA from Stanford not knowing the German language fluently, that degree means nothing to German employers.

Good Luck,

Best -- Respiau
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