2 year masters in HR -- Europe


suvoram

Please if you could suggest some 2 year HR management courses in Europe. I have come to know about the Grenoble MSc in Human Resource Management which is a 2 year course with a 12 months project. How good is the course(have heard that the Grande Ecoles have superior quality education) and what are some other courses that fit the bill?
I am planning to go back to India and join the company I am currently working for and they are harping on having a 2 year course which makes the degree comparable with the Indian MBA in HR where some In company project experience or Internship experience adds to your HR expertise without which, they say, the degree becomes very academic. So am looking for 2 year degrees preferably with some projects or/and internship opportunities.
Please advise.

Please if you could suggest some 2 year HR management courses in Europe. I have come to know about the Grenoble MSc in Human Resource Management which is a 2 year course with a 12 months project. How good is the course(have heard that the Grande Ecoles have superior quality education) and what are some other courses that fit the bill?
I am planning to go back to India and join the company I am currently working for and they are harping on having a 2 year course which makes the degree comparable with the Indian MBA in HR where some In company project experience or Internship experience adds to your HR expertise without which, they say, the degree becomes very academic. So am looking for 2 year degrees preferably with some projects or/and internship opportunities.
Please advise.
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Duncan

That's not really a two-year course though, is it? You are taught between mid-September and the start of May, so that is eight months by the end of the exams, and then you have 16 months to hand in your dissertation. Okay.... it pleases the visa people but it is not two years of being taught, but two semesters.

It is very rare to find a HR MSc over two taught years in Europe. Many are actually aimed at working people (Dublin City University, RISEBA etc) but they will take full-time students and should be taken seriously. Only the University of Pécs and the University of Milan really offer taught two year taught degrees designed for full-time students. The excellent New Bulgarian University had a two-year M.Sc. in Human Resources Management and Development but I am not sure it still runs. I would pick Milan.

That's not really a two-year course though, is it? You are taught between mid-September and the start of May, so that is eight months by the end of the exams, and then you have 16 months to hand in your dissertation. Okay.... it pleases the visa people but it is not two years of being taught, but two semesters.

It is very rare to find a HR MSc over two taught years in Europe. Many are actually aimed at working people (Dublin City University, RISEBA etc) but they will take full-time students and should be taken seriously. Only the University of Pécs and the University of Milan really offer taught two year taught degrees designed for full-time students. The excellent New Bulgarian University had a two-year M.Sc. in Human Resources Management and Development but I am not sure it still runs. I would pick Milan.
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suvoram

But out of these universities like RISEBA, DCU, NBU, University of Pecs and University of Milan and Grenoble, I see that Grenoble is the only one having the Triple Crown accreditation and also a Grande Ecole School, so that is a big plus I guess. I hope that I would be allowed to stay in Grenoble and complete the 2 years or will there be any VISA problems as the course is not taught over the complete period of 2 years? Please suggest if NBU or University of Milan would be a better choice than Grenoble as far as international acclaim, return on investment and quality of curriculum or learning opportunity is concerned.

But out of these universities like RISEBA, DCU, NBU, University of Pecs and University of Milan and Grenoble, I see that Grenoble is the only one having the Triple Crown accreditation and also a Grande Ecole School, so that is a big plus I guess. I hope that I would be allowed to stay in Grenoble and complete the 2 years or will there be any VISA problems as the course is not taught over the complete period of 2 years? Please suggest if NBU or University of Milan would be a better choice than Grenoble as far as international acclaim, return on investment and quality of curriculum or learning opportunity is concerned.
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Duncan

Obviously the learning, curriculum and RoI are better at Milan: You get two years of education rather than eight months. Indeed, no school outside France can be a Grande Ecole but, honestly, unless you want to work in France specifically does that matter?

Have you spoken to other students from your country who took that programme? What did they do when writing their dissertation? Grenoble can not find paid placements for them, surely...?

Obviously the learning, curriculum and RoI are better at Milan: You get two years of education rather than eight months. Indeed, no school outside France can be a Grande Ecole but, honestly, unless you want to work in France specifically does that matter?

Have you spoken to other students from your country who took that programme? What did they do when writing their dissertation? Grenoble can not find paid placements for them, surely...?
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Duncan

Of course the visa people will be happy but the risk is that you will just spend 16 months sitting in a library and stacking shelves.

Of course the visa people will be happy but the risk is that you will just spend 16 months sitting in a library and stacking shelves.
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Duncan

Why not look for a two year Grande ecole programme where you get two degrees over two years, M1 and M2, with the second in HR. EDHEC and other schools will do that. Or a two year MSc in management with a HR concentration?

Why not look for a two year Grande ecole programme where you get two degrees over two years, M1 and M2, with the second in HR. EDHEC and other schools will do that. Or a two year MSc in management with a HR concentration?
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suvoram

Thanks Duncan . Which programmes do you suggest in that regard? An MSc in HR alongwith an MSc in management/ MBA(1 year)? But that would push the investment amount northwards and if I go back to India only then the return on investment would be poor. But if you could suggest some very reasonable priced MSc or MBA which won't bring the overall ROI down, would be of great help. Also, have not come across any 2 year management course with HR concentration, please advise a few options.

[Edited by suvoram on Sep 18, 2015]

Thanks Duncan . Which programmes do you suggest in that regard? An MSc in HR alongwith an MSc in management/ MBA(1 year)? But that would push the investment amount northwards and if I go back to India only then the return on investment would be poor. But if you could suggest some very reasonable priced MSc or MBA which won't bring the overall ROI down, would be of great help. Also, have not come across any 2 year management course with HR concentration, please advise a few options.
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Duncan

Obviously I would suggest Milian if you are concerned about your investment. If you wanted a two year grand ecole programme, then most of them will be able to provice a second year on HR issues, although that might be under the title of organisations studies or through a double degree with a partner school. A good example is http://master-management.edhec.com/strengths/master-in-management-grande-ecole--203949.kjsp?RH=mim but they almost all have the same structure.

Obviously I would suggest Milian if you are concerned about your investment. If you wanted a two year grand ecole programme, then most of them will be able to provice a second year on HR issues, although that might be under the title of organisations studies or through a double degree with a partner school. A good example is http://master-management.edhec.com/strengths/master-in-management-grande-ecole--203949.kjsp?RH=mim but they almost all have the same structure.
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suvoram

The University of Milan looks a good option with a great curriculum and course structure but the eligibility criteria poses a hindrance to the engineering students like me:

"Eligible candidates must meet the following requirements:
They must have earned at least 9 ECTS credits or equivalent in sociology and/ or political sciences; at least 9 ECTS in economics and/ or mathematics/ statistics; and at least 9 ECTS in law."

So in that case I am left with only these 3 options:
Grenoble-MSc in HRM(2 years) or
going for a MIM degree with HR specialisation (Audencia Nantes) or
2 different courses M1 and M2(MSc in HR).
What is your take on this? Which would possibly be the best option?

[Edited by suvoram on Sep 18, 2015]

The University of Milan looks a good option with a great curriculum and course structure but the eligibility criteria poses a hindrance to the engineering students like me:

"Eligible candidates must meet the following requirements:
They must have earned at least 9 ECTS credits or equivalent in sociology and/ or political sciences; at least 9 ECTS in economics and/ or mathematics/ statistics; and at least 9 ECTS in law."

So in that case I am left with only these 3 options:
Grenoble-MSc in HRM(2 years) or
going for a MIM degree with HR specialisation (Audencia Nantes) or
2 different courses M1 and M2(MSc in HR).
What is your take on this? Which would possibly be the best option?
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Duncan

Honestly, I would suggest you review your career goals and assumptions. If you have only two choices then perhaps your criteria are too narrow.Why France? Take a look at mastersportal.eu perhaps.

Honestly, I would suggest you review your career goals and assumptions. If you have only two choices then perhaps your criteria are too narrow.Why France? Take a look at mastersportal.eu perhaps.
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Duncan

Some options there, for example:-
- MBA Global Human Resource Management, National Sun Yat Sen University | Kaohsiung City, Taiwan
- M.Sc. Strategic Human Resource Management and Labour Relations, University of Gothenburg | Gothenburg, Sweden

Some options there, for example:-
- MBA Global Human Resource Management, National Sun Yat Sen University | Kaohsiung City, Taiwan
- M.Sc. Strategic Human Resource Management and Labour Relations, University of Gothenburg | Gothenburg, Sweden
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suvoram

@Duncan: Just wanted to ask one thing, from the options researched, I find that Grenoble has a good international mobility standing(7) in FT which makes it a good bet compared to other universities/courses that we have discussed. How far am I correct or is there any marketing gimmick which I am missing out on? Are the French Grande Ecole programmes really very good or is it a kind of bubble yet not pricked?
Please advise. Also mention if you think that I need to change my line of thoughts and rather focus on other Universities that might fit the bill better.

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@Duncan: Just wanted to ask one thing, from the options researched, I find that Grenoble has a good international mobility standing(7) in FT which makes it a good bet compared to other universities/courses that we have discussed. How far am I correct or is there any marketing gimmick which I am missing out on? Are the French Grande Ecole programmes really very good or is it a kind of bubble yet not pricked?
Please advise. Also mention if you think that I need to change my line of thoughts and rather focus on other Universities that might fit the bill better.
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Duncan

Obviously Grenoble MSc in IB has a curious position because of its international campuses. But the ranking will be for that, not the HRM course.

But if you want a degree that is credible in India, why does international mobility matter?

Obviously Grenoble MSc in IB has a curious position because of its international campuses. But the ranking will be for that, not the HRM course.

But if you want a degree that is credible in India, why does international mobility matter?
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suvoram

Actually I want to make sure that the degree is credible in India, now after taking care of that part, I plan to look forward to greener pastures, and that is where the international mobility comes in.
Is this a wrong planning by any chance? Do you suggest any other universities?

Actually I want to make sure that the degree is credible in India, now after taking care of that part, I plan to look forward to greener pastures, and that is where the international mobility comes in.
Is this a wrong planning by any chance? Do you suggest any other universities?
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Duncan

I guess you would have mentioned if you can speak French to a professional level. Read my post on "do you need to speak the language" linked from my profile page.

I guess you would have mentioned if you can speak French to a professional level. Read my post on "do you need to speak the language" linked from my profile page.
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suvoram

I am planning to dedicate at least 6-8 months starting this December in learning French before I set sail for the French soil, hope that would improve my chances in France.
Actually, I am desperately looking for some more options other than Grenoble and University of Milan for a 2 year HR course, but unfortunately am bit out of good(internationally acclaimed and good quality) options. Wish you could suggest a few options.

I am planning to dedicate at least 6-8 months starting this December in learning French before I set sail for the French soil, hope that would improve my chances in France.
Actually, I am desperately looking for some more options other than Grenoble and University of Milan for a 2 year HR course, but unfortunately am bit out of good(internationally acclaimed and good quality) options. Wish you could suggest a few options.
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Duncan

Well, 8 months is a good period of time, assuming you are in a full-time French school. I studied at ICLF, in Lyon, and I can recommend that.

If you can get your French up to B2, then perhaps a course where the second year is party in French could be an option? French there are addirtional choices, like ESC Rennes. http://www.campusfrance.org/fria/lm/lmsearch.html?lang=en&type=m&[email protected]@&siteroot=http://www.campusfrance.org/en

Well, 8 months is a good period of time, assuming you are in a full-time French school. I studied at ICLF, in Lyon, and I can recommend that.

If you can get your French up to B2, then perhaps a course where the second year is party in French could be an option? French there are addirtional choices, like ESC Rennes. http://www.campusfrance.org/fria/lm/lmsearch.html?lang=en&type=m&[email protected]@&siteroot=http://www.campusfrance.org/en
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Duncan

Skema.... http://www.skema.edu/programs/masters-of-science/msc-strategic-human-resources-management

Skema.... http://www.skema.edu/programs/masters-of-science/msc-strategic-human-resources-management
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