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booksfreak

Posted Apr 18, 2023 20:35

Thanks. When you say alumni, it is ideal to consider the entire school alumni? It’s not restricted to MBA right? Because I did not find many MBA from India at ESCP in Luxury.
Also if I plan on applying eventually for consultancy roles in Luxury/Retail eg. BCG would it be possible from ESCP?
Also will the brand value/ alumni count in India because it offers exchange programs for IIM’s?


I plan to apply for Msc. Marketing in Imperial as well although I paid my deposit at ESCP incase I have better scholarship opportunities…


[Edited by booksfreak on Apr 18, 2023]

Thanks. When you say alumni, it is ideal to consider the entire school alumni? It’s not restricted to MBA right? Because I did not find many MBA from India at ESCP in Luxury.<br>Also if I plan on applying eventually for consultancy roles in Luxury/Retail eg. BCG would it be possible from ESCP?<br>Also will the brand value/ alumni count in India because it offers exchange programs for IIM’s?<br><br><br>I plan to apply for Msc. Marketing in Imperial as well although I paid my deposit at ESCP incase I have better scholarship opportunities…<br><br><br>
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overlord47

Posted Apr 19, 2023 08:20

You can also try the following course in Luxury Management:
1. MSc in Luxury Management and Marketing - Emlyon Business School

2. Masters in International Luxury Management - Neoma Business School
3. Executive Masters in Luxury Management - SDA Bocconi
4. MSc Global Luxury and Management - Skema Business School
5. MBA Design, Fashion and Luxury Goods - University of Bologna (Bologna Business School)

[Edited by overlord47 on Apr 19, 2023]

You can also try the following course in Luxury Management:<br>1. MSc in Luxury Management and Marketing - Emlyon Business School<br><br><div>2. Masters in International Luxury Management - Neoma Business School</div><br><div>3. Executive Masters in Luxury Management - SDA Bocconi</div><br><div>4. MSc Global Luxury and Management - Skema Business School</div><br>5. MBA Design, Fashion and Luxury Goods - University of Bologna (Bologna Business School)
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Duncan

Posted Apr 19, 2023 08:55

When you say alumni, it is ideal to consider the entire school alumni? It’s not restricted to MBA right? Because I did not find many MBA from India at ESCP in Luxury.


I said "The key variable here is really which programme has the best student, alumni and employer network to place them." I would focus on comparing the programmes. Indeed, few foreign people make this transition and there are few MBA level jobs in luxe for foreigners. If there are school alumni, then that helps, but the most relevant thing is the programme. 

Given your work history,  you are unlikely to end up at BCG. 

Using scholarships as a variable is not a good route.  See my post on scholarships linked from my profile page. 

PS ESCP's link to IIMs is positive but, fundamentals remain: study where you want to work, ìn the best available school for your goals. The more criteria you consider, the less likely you are to optimise the outcome. 


[Edited by Duncan on Apr 19, 2023]

[quote]When you say alumni, it is ideal to consider the entire school alumni? It’s not restricted to MBA right? Because I did not find many MBA from India at ESCP in Luxury.[/quote]<br><br>I said "The key variable here is really which programme has the best student, alumni and employer network to place them." I would focus on comparing the programmes. Indeed, few foreign people make this transition and there are few MBA level jobs in luxe for foreigners. If there are school alumni, then that helps, but the most relevant thing is the programme.&nbsp;<br><br>Given your work history,&nbsp; you are unlikely to end up at BCG.&nbsp;<br><br>Using scholarships as a variable is not a good route.&nbsp; See my post on scholarships linked from my profile page.&nbsp;<br><br>PS ESCP's link to IIMs is positive but, fundamentals remain: study where you want to work, ìn the best available school for your goals. The more criteria you consider, the less likely you are to optimise the outcome.&nbsp;<br><br><br>
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booksfreak

Posted Apr 20, 2023 04:26

@Duncan Do you know anything about ESCP’s career service? And maybe Imperial as well.
From the alumni of ESCP I hear that it has poor service not very active.

@Duncan Do you know anything about ESCP’s career service? And maybe Imperial as well.<br>From the alumni of ESCP I hear that it has poor service not very active.<br><br>
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Duncan

Posted Apr 20, 2023 09:13

You will have to be a bit more specific. Broadly speaking, ESCP is rated higher than Imperials for career services in the FT ranking (but neither are above average) and places much more quickly.  You can see that using the FT ranking data. ESCP is more likely to place into luxe, and isn't that your goal? 

[Edited by Duncan on Apr 20, 2023]

You will have to be a bit more specific. Broadly speaking, ESCP is rated higher than Imperials for career services in the FT ranking (but neither are above average) and places much more quickly.&nbsp; You can see that using the FT ranking data. ESCP is more likely to place into luxe, and isn't that your goal?&nbsp;<br>
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booksfreak

Posted Apr 20, 2023 12:01

Given that I am a career switcher and relocating, I am not narrowing it too much on a field or company. But yes, I am interested in luxury, but I am broadly interested in retail and consumer goods so I can have better options ( eg P&G or any retail eccomerce Farfetch, Zolando even Amazon retail).
I feel the advantage of faster employment at ESCP is because of multi-campus study where students (atleast majority of the Indians) shift to tech in Germany (they get student visa). But it is not the case for me.
Which MBA’s are good for career service in UK with retail ?

[Edited by booksfreak on Apr 20, 2023]

Given that I am a career switcher and relocating, I am not narrowing it too much on a field or company. But yes, I am interested in luxury, but I am broadly interested in retail and consumer goods so I can have better options ( eg P&amp;G or any retail eccomerce Farfetch, Zolando even Amazon retail).<br>I feel the advantage of faster employment at ESCP is because of multi-campus study where students (atleast majority of the Indians) shift to tech in Germany (they get student visa).&nbsp;But it is not the case for me.<br>Which MBA’s are good for career service in UK with retail ?
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booksfreak

Posted Apr 20, 2023 12:12

@overlord47

Thanks but I will need the stay back option which Italy doesn’t offer (atleast not 2 yrs). I know that SDA is a fabulous school.
Since I want to keep my options open to working in retail / consumer goods in France and UK I did not choose a Msc luxury program in France. On the contrary I am open to Msc. Marketing courses.

[Edited by booksfreak on Apr 20, 2023]

@overlord47<br><br>Thanks but I will need the stay back option which Italy doesn’t offer (atleast not 2 yrs). I know that SDA is a fabulous school.<br>Since I want to keep my options open to working in retail / consumer goods in France and UK I did not choose a Msc luxury program in France. On the contrary I am open to Msc. Marketing courses.<br><br>
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Duncan

Posted Apr 21, 2023 10:52

I am not narrowing it too much on a field or company.

The less specific your career goals, the more generic guidance can be. The schools with the most UK alumni with MBAs in retail are Cambridge, Henley, LBS, the OUBS, and Warwick. Unsurprisingly, Cambridge, LBS and Warwick are the ones with the best career services. 

[Edited by Duncan on Apr 21, 2023]

[quote]I am not narrowing it too much on a field or company.[/quote]<br>The less specific your career goals, the more generic guidance can be. The schools with the most UK alumni with MBAs in retail are Cambridge, Henley, LBS, the OUBS, and Warwick. Unsurprisingly, Cambridge, LBS and Warwick are the ones with the best career services.&nbsp;
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Andy776

Posted Apr 24, 2023 00:23

My opinion, don't accept ESCP. Clearly unknown in Europe for its MBA. For its MiM ok but MBA don't :)

My opinion, don't accept ESCP. Clearly unknown in Europe for its MBA. For its MiM ok but MBA don't :)
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Duncan

Posted Apr 24, 2023 00:51

Would you happen to have a better suggestion for this person to meet their goals? The idea that the oldest business school, ranked as one of the three top European business schools, is "unknown" is just super weird when it has the #13 full-time MBA and #3 executive MBA in Europe. 

Would you happen to have a better suggestion for this person to meet their goals? The idea that the oldest business school, ranked as one of the three top European business schools, is "unknown" is just super weird when it has the #13 full-time MBA and #3 executive MBA in Europe.&nbsp;
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overlord47

Posted Apr 25, 2023 09:51

Would you happen to have a better suggestion for this person to meet their goals? The idea that the oldest business school, ranked as one of the three top European business schools, is "unknown" is just super weird when it has the #13 full-time MBA and #3 executive MBA in Europe. 


Hi Duncan being old doesn't mean that it has to be the best MBA programme, if that's the case than Birmingham University's MBA programme is very old too but is it a very good MBA programme a definitely not it's more or less decent. Look at ESCPs performance throughout the FT rankings. Since 1999 till 2006 the MBA programme was very poorly ranked. It was ranked in the bottom of the top 100s. Then from 2007 till 2022 for more than a decade the MBA programme went unranked and now in 2022 it was ranked 51 and in 2023 it did relatively good and to be honest the 2023 FT rankings beats me and I won't rely on just one year ranking to say that the MBA programme is good. So my point is the sample size and data that we have regarding ESCP MBA programme's performance is very vague and insignificant to actually say that it's a good programme. 

[Edited by overlord47 on Apr 25, 2023]

[quote]Would you happen to have a better suggestion for this person to meet their goals? The idea that the oldest business school, ranked as one of the three top European business schools, is "unknown" is just super weird when it has the #13 full-time MBA and #3 executive MBA in Europe.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>Hi Duncan being old doesn't mean that it has to be the best MBA programme, if that's the case than Birmingham University's MBA programme is very old too but is it a very good MBA programme a definitely not it's more or less decent. Look at ESCPs performance throughout the FT rankings. Since 1999 till 2006 the MBA programme was very poorly ranked. It was ranked in the bottom of the top 100s. Then from 2007 till 2022 for more than a decade the MBA programme went unranked and now in 2022 it was ranked 51 and in 2023 it did relatively good and to be honest the 2023 FT rankings beats me and I won't rely on just one year ranking to say that the MBA programme is good. So my point is the sample size and data that we have regarding ESCP MBA programme's performance is very vague and insignificant to actually say that it's a good programme.&nbsp;
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Duncan

Posted Apr 25, 2023 10:36

I'm not saying it's the best. 

First, I am saying it's mistaken to say it's unknown. Thanks for raising Birmingham as an example. Birmingham is also not unknown. 

Second, whether or not it is the best choice is an individual choice. It depends on their goals and the available options. The FT rankings can't and don't aim to, show that. Luxe is a tiny recruiter in the MBA market. Some of the best options are not well ranked by the FT: Bologna, Monaco, Skema, Sup de Lux...

Given this person's goals, I think it's mistaken to rule out ESCP especially considering its long links with firms like Cartier and L'Oréal.  

[Edited by Duncan on Apr 25, 2023]

I'm not saying it's the best.&nbsp;<br><br>First, I am saying it's mistaken to say it's unknown. Thanks for raising Birmingham as an example. Birmingham is also not unknown.&nbsp;<br><br>Second, whether or not it is the best choice is an individual choice. It depends on their goals and the available options. The FT rankings can't and don't aim to, show that. Luxe is a tiny recruiter in the MBA market. Some of the best options are not well ranked by the FT: Bologna, Monaco, Skema, Sup de Lux...<br><br>Given this person's goals, I think it's mistaken to rule out ESCP especially considering its long links with firms like Cartier and L'Oréal.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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overlord47

Posted Apr 25, 2023 10:48

Well Duncan I agree with you point saying that ESCP shouldn't be ruled out completely but I think the candidate should also consider other viable options like you have mentioned here: Bologna, SKEMA, Bocconi, etc. And also I think a specialization in the Luxury department is very narrow and won't open much opportunities for a candidate. If a candidate has experience in the Luxury domain prior to the PG degree, then a General MBA will get the candidate a job in the same field based on his or her previous experience.

[Edited by overlord47 on Apr 25, 2023]

Well Duncan I agree with you point saying that ESCP shouldn't be ruled out completely but I think the candidate should also consider other viable options like you have mentioned here: Bologna, SKEMA, Bocconi, etc. And also I think a specialization in the Luxury department is very narrow and won't open much opportunities for a candidate. If a candidate has experience in the Luxury domain prior to the PG degree, then a General MBA will get the candidate a job in the same field based on his or her previous experience.
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booksfreak

Posted Apr 28, 2023 05:35

I don’t have experience in the luxury industry. I did work at Amazon retail e-commerce for 3 years followed by my business (fmcg). 
Since I don’t have experience in luxury I have been worried about entering the market as well in France/UK. That’s why I was thinking if an MBA (with retail) will be a better option.
I contacted Imperial Msc Marketing they told me for candidates with above 3 yrs of experience they will consider case by case for admissions.
Sadly I have a low GRE score of 302, I am not sure if I can even try CJBS.

I don’t have experience in the luxury industry. I did work at Amazon retail e-commerce for 3 years followed by my business (fmcg).&nbsp;<br>Since I don’t have experience in luxury I have been worried about entering the market as well in France/UK. That’s why I was thinking if an MBA (with retail) will be a better option.<br>I contacted Imperial Msc Marketing they told me for candidates with above 3 yrs of experience they will consider case by case for admissions.<br>Sadly I have a low GRE score of 302, I am not sure if I can even try CJBS.
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Duncan

Posted Apr 28, 2023 10:12

I don't see the pathway from Imperial into luxe. It's a very well-designed MSc and the career services there are great, perhaps the best for an MSc in marketing in the UK. However, you'll will have seen the sort of industries it places into. 

I don't see the pathway from Imperial into luxe. It's a very well-designed MSc and the career services there are great, perhaps the best for an MSc in marketing in the UK. However, you'll will have seen the sort of industries it places into.&nbsp;
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Imnobatman

Posted May 17, 2023 11:56

I'm in the same situation, the current feedback of the program isn't that great. Irrespective of the brand marketing in FT.. 

I'm in the same situation, the current feedback of the program isn't that great. Irrespective of the brand marketing in FT..&nbsp;
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booksfreak

Posted Jun 03, 2023 18:03

Hi @Duncan, I have an offer from Judge MBA as well. ESCP or CJBS? The goal is to work in the EU or UK in retail luxury/consumer goods. I am convinced of ESCP's long-term relations in the luxury industry which is ideal for my goal and I love their two-country study option. But CJBS seems to be more global & diverse and is linked to a university. I like their 4 projects in a year with a list of electives + concentrations to choose from. Can you shed some light, please...
Ps. I have some scholarship in ESCP but no scholarship in CJBS


Hi @Duncan, I have an offer from Judge MBA as well. ESCP or CJBS? The goal is to work in the EU or UK in retail luxury/consumer goods. I am convinced of ESCP's long-term relations in the luxury industry which is ideal for my goal and I love their two-country study option. But CJBS seems to be more global &amp; diverse and is linked to a university. I like their 4 projects in a year with a list of electives + concentrations to choose from. Can you shed some light, please...<br>Ps. I have some scholarship in ESCP but no scholarship in CJBS<br><br><br>
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Duncan

Posted Jun 04, 2023 01:04

I don't see how Cambridge places someone with no retail experience into UK luxe (Oopps! But this person does have ecommerce experience. However, is Judge getting MBAs into luxe roles?). 

[Edited by Duncan on Jun 04, 2023]

I don't see how Cambridge places someone with no retail experience into UK luxe (Oopps! But this person does have ecommerce experience. However, is Judge getting MBAs into luxe roles?).&nbsp;
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booksfreak

Posted Jun 04, 2023 11:38

@Duncan I worked at Amazon for 3 yrs. 
Why CJBS interested me because I saw students/alumni consult on projects for Chanel, L'oreal and a few work on luxury e-commerce stores. 

@obinna your feedback?

@Duncan I worked at Amazon for 3 yrs.&nbsp;
<div>Why CJBS interested me because I saw students/alumni consult on projects for Chanel, L'oreal and a few work on luxury e-commerce stores.&nbsp;</div><br><br><div>@obinna your feedback?</div>
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Duncan

Posted Jun 04, 2023 12:25

Sorry: I should have paid more attention. I suggest using LinkedIn to see whether Judge places well or often into your target roles. 

[Edited by Duncan on Jun 04, 2023]

Sorry: I should have paid more attention. I suggest using LinkedIn to see whether Judge places well or often into your target roles.&nbsp;
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