MBA France - Audencia Nantes vs Grenoble Graduate School of Management vs Emlyon vs Neoma Business School


Hi Duncan,

2) Emlyon
3) Grenoble Graduate School of Management
4) Neoma Business School

Can you please suggest which one would be the best out of 4? Additionally If you could provide your feedback on Audencia Nantes especially since I have got a great amount of scholarship.

P.S. I dont have any knowledge of French but since I have 8 months time, I will start learning very soon before I start my course.

Thanks

Abul

[Edited by abul.hasan on Oct 23, 2015]

Hi Duncan,

2) Emlyon
3) Grenoble Graduate School of Management
4) Neoma Business School

Can you please suggest which one would be the best out of 4? Additionally If you could provide your feedback on Audencia Nantes especially since I have got a great amount of scholarship.

P.S. I dont have any knowledge of French but since I have 8 months time, I will start learning very soon before I start my course.

Thanks

Abul
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Duncan
What are your goals? If you are in France now, and are studying the language full-time, then you stand a good chance of starting the course with a good level of French. If not, then you probably won't be at a professional level by the time your MBA ends. read Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

The schools you mention all have advantages. Why not pick the school that has the best network at E&Y? That's where your background might be most highly valued. See How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571

Using the rankings alone, EM Lyon is the clear winner. Data in The Economist show that it's the school with the highest placement, highest salary and best careers service.

[Edited by Duncan on Oct 11, 2015]

What are your goals? If you are in France now, and are studying the language full-time, then you stand a good chance of starting the course with a good level of French. If not, then you probably won't be at a professional level by the time your MBA ends. read Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

The schools you mention all have advantages. Why not pick the school that has the best network at E&Y? That's where your background might be most highly valued. See How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571

Using the rankings alone, EM Lyon is the clear winner. Data in The Economist show that it's the school with the highest placement, highest salary and best careers service.
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Hi Duncan,

Thanks a lot for your reply.

My short term goal is to join a good consulting firm like EY, Deloitte, PWC, Accenture of Mckinsey at a senior role after completion of MBA. However my long term plan is to start my own market research consulting firm in India let's say after 5 years of working post MBA.
I am in India now and will be moving to France in September 2016. However I am planning to join a french speaking full time course in India to prepare myself for my stay in France.

Thanks for sharing the LinkedIn link. I found out of the 4 I mentioned Consulting firms like Deloitte, EY, Accenture etc have more no of employees from EMLyon than from Audencia or Grenoble. But the real question for me is there a marginal difference between Audencia and other B-schools mentioned above including EmLyon? The reason I am asking is because I will be paying double the fees in other 3 B-Schools compared to Audencia. In Audencia I will Pay 15000 Euros where as in other 3 I will pay around 31000 euros. So is there so much difference in Audencia and other schools that i can consider paying double the fees of Audencia.
Another point here is that I have offers from strathclyde business school and Lancaster Business School. But I am little hesitant to go to UK because of there no work permit rule for international students.
I also have offer from Trinity Business School, Ireland. Is it worth to give preference to Trinity over other B-Schools mentioned in this post i.e. Audencia, EmLyon, Grenoble, Lancaster etc.
Lastly I would like to understand from you which is the most reliable ranking for MBA: The Economist, FT or QS?

[Edited by abul.hasan on Oct 11, 2015]

Hi Duncan,

Thanks a lot for your reply.

My short term goal is to join a good consulting firm like EY, Deloitte, PWC, Accenture of Mckinsey at a senior role after completion of MBA. However my long term plan is to start my own market research consulting firm in India let's say after 5 years of working post MBA.
I am in India now and will be moving to France in September 2016. However I am planning to join a french speaking full time course in India to prepare myself for my stay in France.

Thanks for sharing the LinkedIn link. I found out of the 4 I mentioned Consulting firms like Deloitte, EY, Accenture etc have more no of employees from EMLyon than from Audencia or Grenoble. But the real question for me is there a marginal difference between Audencia and other B-schools mentioned above including EmLyon? The reason I am asking is because I will be paying double the fees in other 3 B-Schools compared to Audencia. In Audencia I will Pay 15000 Euros where as in other 3 I will pay around 31000 euros. So is there so much difference in Audencia and other schools that i can consider paying double the fees of Audencia.
Another point here is that I have offers from strathclyde business school and Lancaster Business School. But I am little hesitant to go to UK because of there no work permit rule for international students.
I also have offer from Trinity Business School, Ireland. Is it worth to give preference to Trinity over other B-Schools mentioned in this post i.e. Audencia, EmLyon, Grenoble, Lancaster etc.
Lastly I would like to understand from you which is the most reliable ranking for MBA: The Economist, FT or QS?

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Duncan
Certainly the LinkedIn analysis shows that ESSEC is far and away the best school for that career strategy. It has 123 alumni with MBAs at those firms, while EMLyon has 24 and Audencia has 23. Considering the lifetime value of the higher salary at EMLyon, the difference is fees doesn't mean anything.

Of course there is a work permit rule in the UK: if you find a job paying over the average, then you can get a work permit. While France and Germany give you more time to find work, it remains the case that the UK schools are much better for international mobility.

Take a look at Best schools for international students' placement http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143 For me, it seems totally eccentric to choose Audencia over Lancaster, whose 91% placement rate is better than Harvard's.

I find the FT rankings most reliable, partly because the data are audited by KPMG.
Certainly the LinkedIn analysis shows that ESSEC is far and away the best school for that career strategy. It has 123 alumni with MBAs at those firms, while EMLyon has 24 and Audencia has 23. Considering the lifetime value of the higher salary at EMLyon, the difference is fees doesn't mean anything.

Of course there is a work permit rule in the UK: if you find a job paying over the average, then you can get a work permit. While France and Germany give you more time to find work, it remains the case that the UK schools are much better for international mobility.

Take a look at Best schools for international students' placement http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143 For me, it seems totally eccentric to choose Audencia over Lancaster, whose 91% placement rate is better than Harvard's.

I find the FT rankings most reliable, partly because the data are audited by KPMG.
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laurie
Just curious about why you didn't apply to Insead, probably one of the top schools in the world for consulting.
Just curious about why you didn't apply to Insead, probably one of the top schools in the world for consulting.
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Hi Dunca,

Thanks for your post.

I would be considering your recommendation regarding Lancaster University. However my only concern is that if I need to come back to India which MBA would give me an edge in Indian Market. Additionally, I would be very grateful if you could provide some insight about Hult Business School, Boston campus.
Hi Dunca,

Thanks for your post.

I would be considering your recommendation regarding Lancaster University. However my only concern is that if I need to come back to India which MBA would give me an edge in Indian Market. Additionally, I would be very grateful if you could provide some insight about Hult Business School, Boston campus.
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Hi Laurie,

Thanks for your reply.

My GMAT score was not good enough to apply for INSEAD. Additionally INSEAD is out of my budget as well.
Hi Laurie,

Thanks for your reply.

My GMAT score was not good enough to apply for INSEAD. Additionally INSEAD is out of my budget as well.

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Hi Abul,

Why is EDHEC not on your list..?

@Duncan-Why is there no mention of EDHEC on this list from you either..? Am I missing something here? Is it because Abul is looking at only consulting roles post-MBA?
Hi Abul,

Why is EDHEC not on your list..?

@Duncan-Why is there no mention of EDHEC on this list from you either..? Am I missing something here? Is it because Abul is looking at only consulting roles post-MBA?
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Duncan
I don't mention the EDHEC MBA because of the LinkedIn analysis. You can see my approach at: How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571 I'm an EDHEC alum, and was just at the MBA reunion in Nice, but ESSEC is really a much better choice for this candidate.
I don't mention the EDHEC MBA because of the LinkedIn analysis. You can see my approach at: How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571 I'm an EDHEC alum, and was just at the MBA reunion in Nice, but ESSEC is really a much better choice for this candidate.
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Hi Mallika,
Thanks for your response. The reason I didn't apply is that I was told EDHEC and EmLyon are more or less equally reputed...However pls let me know if you think otherwise....so far on the basis of comments made by Duncan I m prioritizing Lancaster over others...but I m still pretty open to hear more about EDHEC n other b schools in France....
Duncan - I didn't get through ESSEC..so can you pls help me shortlist out of available options....
P.S. I am open to non consulting roles too..mainly at managerial position...

One last thing: Howz Trinity college compared to Lancaster? Is it possible to get more job opp in Ireland since they offer 1 yr work visa for students whereeas UK doesn't....
Thanks all for your inputs so far
Hi Mallika,
Thanks for your response. The reason I didn't apply is that I was told EDHEC and EmLyon are more or less equally reputed...However pls let me know if you think otherwise....so far on the basis of comments made by Duncan I m prioritizing Lancaster over others...but I m still pretty open to hear more about EDHEC n other b schools in France....
Duncan - I didn't get through ESSEC..so can you pls help me shortlist out of available options....
P.S. I am open to non consulting roles too..mainly at managerial position...

One last thing: Howz Trinity college compared to Lancaster? Is it possible to get more job opp in Ireland since they offer 1 yr work visa for students whereeas UK doesn't....
Thanks all for your inputs so far
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Duncan
I think you need to either refine your career goals or take an 18-month MBA which would allow you to test out different firections. Saying that you are open to any role means that you need to really think about career strategy more. Try the CareerLeader test.
I think you need to either refine your career goals or take an 18-month MBA which would allow you to test out different firections. Saying that you are open to any role means that you need to really think about career strategy more. Try the CareerLeader test.
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Hi Mallika,
Thanks for your response. The reason I didn't apply is that I was told EDHEC and EmLyon are more or less equally reputed...However pls let me know if you think otherwise....so far on the basis of comments made by Duncan I m prioritizing Lancaster over others...but I m still pretty open to hear more about EDHEC n other b schools in France....
Duncan - I didn't get through ESSEC..so can you pls help me shortlist out of available options....
P.S. I am open to non consulting roles too..mainly at managerial position...

One last thing: Howz Trinity college compared to Lancaster? Is it possible to get more job opp in Ireland since they offer 1 yr work visa for students whereeas UK doesn't....
Thanks all for your inputs so far


Hi Abul,

From what I understand, EmLyon's MBA is more focused on Entrepreneurship. Not that I wouldn't want to be one, but that is not my immediate goal.
Also, as per The Economist, EDHEC ranks higher than EmLyon on most parameters.
One strange thing though is that though EDHEC ranks better on most parameters, EmLyon's Career Services seems to have a better rating.
Maybe Duncan can shed some light on why/how :|
I am focused on Program Management post-MBA and would like to use the degree to make a shift from a Specialist stream to that of a Generalist.
That said, I am not averse to selecting the Finance track[in EDHEC] provided I can foresee some roles that would suit my Engg+MBA background in IT-Banking & Financial Services. I am not looking to jump into core Investment Banking or Finance Consulting roles.
Also, since EDHEC is situated near a Tech park of which I forget the name :|, I think it's a better bet.

@Duncan: I tried the LinkedIn approach to see where alumni end up and as per that it would be a disaster to go to any school but HEC or Insead[in France], but that isn't actually the case is it..?
I see that EDHEC alumni especially of Indian origin are back in India, with not very great roles or not much of a change in their roles post-MBA-I find this disappointing.
If EmLyon's career services has a better rating, why should I choose EDHEC, assuming that EmLyon's Entrepreneurship focus doesn't take away from a Generalist degree..?


Many thanks,
Mallika Hunsur
[quote]Hi Mallika,
Thanks for your response. The reason I didn't apply is that I was told EDHEC and EmLyon are more or less equally reputed...However pls let me know if you think otherwise....so far on the basis of comments made by Duncan I m prioritizing Lancaster over others...but I m still pretty open to hear more about EDHEC n other b schools in France....
Duncan - I didn't get through ESSEC..so can you pls help me shortlist out of available options....
P.S. I am open to non consulting roles too..mainly at managerial position...

One last thing: Howz Trinity college compared to Lancaster? Is it possible to get more job opp in Ireland since they offer 1 yr work visa for students whereeas UK doesn't....
Thanks all for your inputs so far[/quote]

Hi Abul,

From what I understand, EmLyon's MBA is more focused on Entrepreneurship. Not that I wouldn't want to be one, but that is not my immediate goal.
Also, as per The Economist, EDHEC ranks higher than EmLyon on most parameters.
One strange thing though is that though EDHEC ranks better on most parameters, EmLyon's Career Services seems to have a better rating.
Maybe Duncan can shed some light on why/how :|
I am focused on Program Management post-MBA and would like to use the degree to make a shift from a Specialist stream to that of a Generalist.
That said, I am not averse to selecting the Finance track[in EDHEC] provided I can foresee some roles that would suit my Engg+MBA background in IT-Banking & Financial Services. I am not looking to jump into core Investment Banking or Finance Consulting roles.
Also, since EDHEC is situated near a Tech park of which I forget the name :|, I think it's a better bet.

@Duncan: I tried the LinkedIn approach to see where alumni end up and as per that it would be a disaster to go to any school but HEC or Insead[in France], but that isn't actually the case is it..?
I see that EDHEC alumni especially of Indian origin are back in India, with not very great roles or not much of a change in their roles post-MBA-I find this disappointing.
If EmLyon's career services has a better rating, why should I choose EDHEC, assuming that EmLyon's Entrepreneurship focus doesn't take away from a Generalist degree..?


Many thanks,
Mallika Hunsur
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Duncan
You seem to be confusing me for someone who wants you to do to EDHEC. My recommendation is for ESSEC in this specific situation.
You seem to be confusing me for someone who wants you to do to EDHEC. My recommendation is for ESSEC in this specific situation.
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You seem to be confusing me for someone who wants you to do to EDHEC. My recommendation is for ESSEC in this specific situation.


"Someone who wants you to go to EDHEC" you mean..? By this you are recommending EDHEC to me, correct.?
And ESSEC is for Abul, yes..?
[quote]You seem to be confusing me for someone who wants you to do to EDHEC. My recommendation is for ESSEC in this specific situation. [/quote]

"Someone who wants you to go to EDHEC" you mean..? By this you are recommending EDHEC to me, correct.?
And ESSEC is for Abul, yes..?
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Duncan
I don't think I have recommended EDHEC to you, have I? It's better than some schools and worse than others (as I said to you here http://find-mba.com/board/europe/grenoble-mba-paris-41260 )

For Abul my final recommendation is "either refine your career goals or take an 18-month MBA which would allow you to test out different directions" but, out of the one year programmes discussed for him as a consulting path, ESSEC is my recommendation.

[Edited by Duncan on Oct 28, 2015]

I don't think I have recommended EDHEC to you, have I? It's better than some schools and worse than others (as I said to you here http://find-mba.com/board/europe/grenoble-mba-paris-41260 )

For Abul my final recommendation is "either refine your career goals or take an 18-month MBA which would allow you to test out different directions" but, out of the one year programmes discussed for him as a consulting path, ESSEC is my recommendation.
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I don't think I have recommended EDHEC to you, have I? It's better than some schools and worse than others (as I said to you here http://find-mba.com/board/europe/grenoble-mba-paris-41260 )

For Abul my final recommendation is "either refine your career goals or take an 18-month MBA which would allow you to test out different directions" but, out of the one year programmes discussed for him as a consulting path, ESSEC is my recommendation.


Duncan, can you please elucidate what this statement of yours meanS- "You seem to be confusing me for someone who wants you to do to EDHEC."
And now coming to B-schools in Europe plus the fact managing IT programs in a Banking and Financial Product/Services set-up is my immediate goal, could you recommend which schools would be a good bet?
I have 7+ years of solid experience in the Industry I plan to change functions in coupled with decent acads+great extra curriculars+A1-French+GMAT of 680[Q49,V34].
I am focused on Program Management post-MBA and would like to use the degree to make a shift from a Specialist stream to that of a Generalist.
[quote]I don't think I have recommended EDHEC to you, have I? It's better than some schools and worse than others (as I said to you here http://find-mba.com/board/europe/grenoble-mba-paris-41260 )

For Abul my final recommendation is "either refine your career goals or take an 18-month MBA which would allow you to test out different directions" but, out of the one year programmes discussed for him as a consulting path, ESSEC is my recommendation. [/quote]

Duncan, can you please elucidate what this statement of yours meanS- "You seem to be confusing me for someone who wants you to do to EDHEC."
And now coming to B-schools in Europe plus the fact managing IT programs in a Banking and Financial Product/Services set-up is my immediate goal, could you recommend which schools would be a good bet?
I have 7+ years of solid experience in the Industry I plan to change functions in coupled with decent acads+great extra curriculars+A1-French+GMAT of 680[Q49,V34].
I am focused on Program Management post-MBA and would like to use the degree to make a shift from a Specialist stream to that of a Generalist.
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Duncan
In the section prefaced @Duncan, you asked "why should I choose EDHEC?". It seemed to me that you were addressing that question to be because I had advocated your attending EDHEC, or it was somehow my role of advocate EDHEC. Because either belief would be mistaken, I wondered if you had mistaken me for someone who did that those standpoints.

For your own goals, isn't IT management in the financial services sector a specialist role rather than a general management role? Either way, it seem to be that schools in and around London should be your focus.
In the section prefaced @Duncan, you asked "why should I choose EDHEC?". It seemed to me that you were addressing that question to be because I had advocated your attending EDHEC, or it was somehow my role of advocate EDHEC. Because either belief would be mistaken, I wondered if you had mistaken me for someone who did that those standpoints.

For your own goals, isn't IT management in the financial services sector a specialist role rather than a general management role? Either way, it seem to be that schools in and around London should be your focus.
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In the section prefaced @Duncan, you asked "why should I choose EDHEC?". It seemed to me that you were addressing that question to be because I had advocated your attending EDHEC, or it was somehow my role of advocate EDHEC. Because either belief would be mistaken, I wondered if you had mistaken me for someone who did that those standpoints.

For your own goals, isn't IT management in the financial services sector a specialist role rather than a general management role? Either way, it seem to be that schools in and around London should be your focus.


Thanks Duncan! Those questions were indeed for you! I meant to ask why I should chose EDHEC over Emlyon since Emlyon's career services has a better rating on The Economist.

About IT Management in BFS, I will say Generalist as I'd like roles that have a topological view of a program. I currently am a Business Engineer and still actually handle modules plus do a fair bit of co-ordination. However, to move to a completely management role[GM type], I need an MBA.
Now, in and around London seems like a bad bet staring me in the face, purely because of the stringent visa restrictions.Am I right, or do you still think England is better than France..?
[quote]In the section prefaced @Duncan, you asked "why should I choose EDHEC?". It seemed to me that you were addressing that question to be because I had advocated your attending EDHEC, or it was somehow my role of advocate EDHEC. Because either belief would be mistaken, I wondered if you had mistaken me for someone who did that those standpoints.

For your own goals, isn't IT management in the financial services sector a specialist role rather than a general management role? Either way, it seem to be that schools in and around London should be your focus. [/quote]

Thanks Duncan! Those questions were indeed for you! I meant to ask why I should chose EDHEC over Emlyon since Emlyon's career services has a better rating on The Economist.

About IT Management in BFS, I will say Generalist as I'd like roles that have a topological view of a program. I currently am a Business Engineer and still actually handle modules plus do a fair bit of co-ordination. However, to move to a completely management role[GM type], I need an MBA.
Now, in and around London seems like a bad bet staring me in the face, purely because of the stringent visa restrictions.Am I right, or do you still think England is better than France..?
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Duncan
Given that you don't seem to be planning to be planning to master French before your MBA, I think that the UK or Ireland would indeed be more favourable for you.

I don't subscribe to the notion that you can really say this country is better than this, or that school is better than another. It only makes sense in the context of the candidate's skills and preferences. The UK is full of French professionals, particularly those in financial technology. The 'stringent' visa restrictions rhetoric is just mistaken. I'll write more about this.
Given that you don't seem to be planning to be planning to master French before your MBA, I think that the UK or Ireland would indeed be more favourable for you.

I don't subscribe to the notion that you can really say this country is better than this, or that school is better than another. It only makes sense in the context of the candidate's skills and preferences. The UK is full of French professionals, particularly those in financial technology. The 'stringent' visa restrictions rhetoric is just mistaken. I'll write more about this.
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Hi Duncan,

Please can you throw some light on visa restrictions misconception?

Thanks

[Edited by dareee_2_b_different on Oct 31, 2015]

Hi Duncan,

Please can you throw some light on visa restrictions misconception?

Thanks
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