Masters from Europe(IE vs ESADE vs WHU vs Bocconi)


I'm A1 in both languages and i still have 1 year till the program starts. I don't believe language is going to be an issue in the end since ESADE Msc Finance + CEMS is completed in 2 years (sufficient time to become proficient in the language,also CEMS emphasises on language learning), IE msc finance, though is for 10 months, provides strong placements in finance sector but spanish economy is weak. WHU's MIM is a flagship degree and German market is very strong, 2 year program so sufficient time to learn the language. Lastly Bocconi, well reputed school, known for it's msc Finance, 2 years, heard it places in top IBs. I'm flexible when it comes to the country where i would work.
2 years of work ex (as business development executive and financial advisor in a wealth management company)
670 gmat
Bachelor in Commerece (undergraduate)
National level sportsperson(cricket)
Aiming for job in IBs or Consultancies, which would be the best school? (HHL mim is also an option)

[Edited by Govind Kohli on Sep 04, 2016]

I'm A1 in both languages and i still have 1 year till the program starts. I don't believe language is going to be an issue in the end since ESADE Msc Finance + CEMS is completed in 2 years (sufficient time to become proficient in the language,also CEMS emphasises on language learning), IE msc finance, though is for 10 months, provides strong placements in finance sector but spanish economy is weak. WHU's MIM is a flagship degree and German market is very strong, 2 year program so sufficient time to learn the language. Lastly Bocconi, well reputed school, known for it's msc Finance, 2 years, heard it places in top IBs. I'm flexible when it comes to the country where i would work.
2 years of work ex (as business development executive and financial advisor in a wealth management company)
670 gmat
Bachelor in Commerece (undergraduate)
National level sportsperson(cricket)
Aiming for job in IBs or Consultancies, which would be the best school? (HHL mim is also an option)
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eduaudax
Hi Govind,
which languages do you mean with "both languagues"? For IE and ESADE it would be Spanish, for WHU German, and for Bocconi Italian.
Furthermore: Do you have admissions from these schools, or is your question about where to apply?

You seem very confident to learn the language (to a proficient level) within two years (maybe three years counting your year before the program). I have seen enough ambitious students trying to learn a language along theri studies to warn you regarding this. Yes, 2-3 years is sufficient to learn a language - if (IF) you do it full-time. However, pared with studying for a degree in parallel, typcially the language learning part loses. The more successful cases are where people have already a quite good level of the language at the beginning of the program. With this they can build on top of their already existing skill level. Also keep in mind, that the effort required for reaching the different level grows not linearly, but exponentially. In your place, I would definately aim to reach A2-B1 of the respective language at the beginning of the program (of course the more the better).

A further word of caution regarding the choice of consulting as a profession: While language skills are for this important, too, it's not only about language, but also about culture, communication, knowing consumers, and business landscape (etc.).

From the market (labour supply & demand), Germany is preferable to Spain (I cannot judge the situation in Italy).

HHL is from the general profile similar to WHU. Nevertheless, WHU is overall considered a better/more well-known brand. For consulting the difference won't be much, however, for banking and finance there is quite a difference between both schools.
Hi Govind,
which languages do you mean with "both languagues"? For IE and ESADE it would be Spanish, for WHU German, and for Bocconi Italian.
Furthermore: Do you have admissions from these schools, or is your question about where to apply?

You seem very confident to learn the language (to a proficient level) within two years (maybe three years counting your year before the program). I have seen enough ambitious students trying to learn a language along theri studies to warn you regarding this. Yes, 2-3 years is sufficient to learn a language - if (IF) you do it full-time. However, pared with studying for a degree in parallel, typcially the language learning part loses. The more successful cases are where people have already a quite good level of the language at the beginning of the program. With this they can build on top of their already existing skill level. Also keep in mind, that the effort required for reaching the different level grows not linearly, but exponentially. In your place, I would definately aim to reach A2-B1 of the respective language at the beginning of the program (of course the more the better).

A further word of caution regarding the choice of consulting as a profession: While language skills are for this important, too, it's not only about language, but also about culture, communication, knowing consumers, and business landscape (etc.).

From the market (labour supply & demand), Germany is preferable to Spain (I cannot judge the situation in Italy).

HHL is from the general profile similar to WHU. Nevertheless, WHU is overall considered a better/more well-known brand. For consulting the difference won't be much, however, for banking and finance there is quite a difference between both schools.

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First of all, can't thank you enough for such a quick and invaluable reply. I've been deprived of that lately and at such crucial juncture of application period. And yes i meant German and Spanish language, and yes i'm aiming to reach B2 level before the program starts. Are you suggesting me German school only because the other options (Spanish schools and Italian school) have terrible economic conditions? or other reasons?(ESADE Bocconi are big brand names). Can you also please shed a little light on which companies recruit from WHU? tier 1 consultancies and IBs? and i'm non-european

[Edited by Govind Kohli on Sep 04, 2016]

First of all, can't thank you enough for such a quick and invaluable reply. I've been deprived of that lately and at such crucial juncture of application period. And yes i meant German and Spanish language, and yes i'm aiming to reach B2 level before the program starts. Are you suggesting me German school only because the other options (Spanish schools and Italian school) have terrible economic conditions? or other reasons?(ESADE Bocconi are big brand names). Can you also please shed a little light on which companies recruit from WHU? tier 1 consultancies and IBs? and i'm non-european
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eduaudax
Well, I didn't recommend you the specific school here. Solely looking at the national economic situation (like a ceteris paribus consideration), I would prefer Germany to Italy and Spain due to the economic conditions. However, if you want to move somewhere else (e.g. London or other countries) I would think that the brand names of the southern European business schools you mentioned could get you further (ceteris paribus assumed). Nevertheless, WHU places also in London IBs.

Tier 1 consulting firms and IBs recruit from WHU:
https://www.whu.edu/en/programs/studying-at-whu/career-center/career-events/
https://www.whu.edu/en/about-whu/whu-foundation/founders-and-benefactors/founders/
https://www.whu.edu/en/about-whu/whu-foundation/founders-and-benefactors/sponsors/
Well, I didn't recommend you the specific school here. Solely looking at the national economic situation (like a ceteris paribus consideration), I would prefer Germany to Italy and Spain due to the economic conditions. However, if you want to move somewhere else (e.g. London or other countries) I would think that the brand names of the southern European business schools you mentioned could get you further (ceteris paribus assumed). Nevertheless, WHU places also in London IBs.

Tier 1 consulting firms and IBs recruit from WHU:
https://www.whu.edu/en/programs/studying-at-whu/career-center/career-events/
https://www.whu.edu/en/about-whu/whu-foundation/founders-and-benefactors/founders/
https://www.whu.edu/en/about-whu/whu-foundation/founders-and-benefactors/sponsors/
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Ayon
@Govind,

Try not to do the "Hanumana approach" by targeting spanish, german etc. Instead do the "Arjuna approach" target 1 and give it your 100% attention.

Macro-economically, Germany presents better case than Spain and Italy. However, I doubt that language alone will do the trick for you. Don't get me wrong, it will go and long way and help you.
However consider two examples
1) I speak English and so do most people in US. Yet, during my MBA our professor said "punt at 3rd down" now unless you know American Football it's hard to relate. We were speaking English, but the cultural differences were too far off.
2) In France, there is a considerable population of Algerians / Moroccans who speak French, yet they are not included in the French society. It's about culture (as told above by eduaudax)

Europe is more divided over culture, language is a subset of it. After all Europe is divided into countries based on language.

Notwithstanding, I personally liked the CEMS program when I looked at it back in 2011. I knew then that one could get admitted into schools like NHH Bergen (Norway) and pay 0 in tuition. I also liked the look of WHU's MBA program back in 2012.

I'd focus on learning one language & culture (i'd say German) and then stick with it.

P.S - be ready to face anti immigration sentiment in the wake of Syrian refuge crisis.
@Govind,

Try not to do the "Hanumana approach" by targeting spanish, german etc. Instead do the "Arjuna approach" target 1 and give it your 100% attention.

Macro-economically, Germany presents better case than Spain and Italy. However, I doubt that language alone will do the trick for you. Don't get me wrong, it will go and long way and help you.
However consider two examples
1) I speak English and so do most people in US. Yet, during my MBA our professor said "punt at 3rd down" now unless you know American Football it's hard to relate. We were speaking English, but the cultural differences were too far off.
2) In France, there is a considerable population of Algerians / Moroccans who speak French, yet they are not included in the French society. It's about culture (as told above by eduaudax)

Europe is more divided over culture, language is a subset of it. After all Europe is divided into countries based on language.

Notwithstanding, I personally liked the CEMS program when I looked at it back in 2011. I knew then that one could get admitted into schools like NHH Bergen (Norway) and pay 0 in tuition. I also liked the look of WHU's MBA program back in 2012.

I'd focus on learning one language & culture (i'd say German) and then stick with it.

P.S - be ready to face anti immigration sentiment in the wake of Syrian refuge crisis.
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