Language Skill to Pick up for RSM Netherlands


Hi Friends,

This is Kaushik from India. will be attending RSM from Jan 17. I am an Electrical Engineer with MS as the highest degree. I have work exp of 5 Years 1 Month in two different industry (Chemical Process Control : LINDE AG , India and RF Network Optimization (3G/4G) MoblieNet Services INC, USA ) in two different geographies US and India.

I am at this moment working on my own startup in security solutions in India.
I am interested to continue in operations. And LINDE AG , Germany will be my target company as I see an alumni there in senior role. I also don't mind working in Netherlands. I am interested in operations strategy role or something with supply chain management focus.


So my question - Which language should I go for German or Dutch ? Which one is generally considered relatively harder than the other.

PS: In my city its easier to go for German from Goethe Institut. I didnt find anything good for Dutch.

[Edited by kaushik.guha85 on Feb 26, 2016]

Hi Friends,

This is Kaushik from India. will be attending RSM from Jan 17. I am an Electrical Engineer with MS as the highest degree. I have work exp of 5 Years 1 Month in two different industry (Chemical Process Control : LINDE AG , India and RF Network Optimization (3G/4G) MoblieNet Services INC, USA ) in two different geographies US and India.

I am at this moment working on my own startup in security solutions in India.
I am interested to continue in operations. And LINDE AG , Germany will be my target company as I see an alumni there in senior role. I also don't mind working in Netherlands. I am interested in operations strategy role or something with supply chain management focus.


So my question - Which language should I go for German or Dutch ? Which one is generally considered relatively harder than the other.

PS: In my city its easier to go for German from Goethe Institut. I didnt find anything good for Dutch.
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davidra

You can learn on youtube/online courses and get Dutch certification when you enter Netherlands.
Why did you choose RSM? Any reason?

You can learn on youtube/online courses and get Dutch certification when you enter Netherlands.
Why did you choose RSM? Any reason?
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Duncan

Since you already speak English, Dutch is easier. It is a cousin of English and German with many more common words with English. However, isn't German and a German MBA safer for Linde?

Since you already speak English, Dutch is easier. It is a cousin of English and German with many more common words with English. However, isn't German and a German MBA safer for Linde?
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You can learn on youtube/online courses and get Dutch certification when you enter Netherlands.
Why did you choose RSM? Any reason?


As I said I have worked extensively in operations including supply chain and commercial operations , thus RSM with a strong supply chain and operations research competency fits in well.Plus I have a very international profile and RSM has a stong international mobility rank in FT. And recently it climbed up to 42 overall from 45 last year( I believe it can do much better and enter in top 25, maybe the salary thing holding back )

[quote]You can learn on youtube/online courses and get Dutch certification when you enter Netherlands.
Why did you choose RSM? Any reason? [/quote]

As I said I have worked extensively in operations including supply chain and commercial operations , thus RSM with a strong supply chain and operations research competency fits in well.Plus I have a very international profile and RSM has a stong international mobility rank in FT. And recently it climbed up to 42 overall from 45 last year( I believe it can do much better and enter in top 25, maybe the salary thing holding back )
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Since you already speak English, Dutch is easier. It is a cousin of English and German with many more common words with English. However, isn't German and a German MBA safer for Linde?


Since you already speak English, Dutch is easier. It is a cousin of English and German with many more common words with English. However, isn't German and a German MBA safer for Linde?


Right, but as you said in some posts RSM is better in every terms than ESMT or Manheim (?) and I might end up in Germany simply because RSM alumni network strength.Case in point I might have a strong leverage with top leadership in Linde using both personal contacts through India leadership reference and also RSM alumni network in Germany and in Linde AG.. (I know one)...


So for now I am leaning German...I will think of Dutch if I get good schools here in my city.

[Edited by kaushik.guha85 on Feb 26, 2016]

[quote]Since you already speak English, Dutch is easier. It is a cousin of English and German with many more common words with English. However, isn't German and a German MBA safer for Linde?[/quote]

[quote]Since you already speak English, Dutch is easier. It is a cousin of English and German with many more common words with English. However, isn't German and a German MBA safer for Linde?[/quote]

Right, but as you said in some posts RSM is better in every terms than ESMT or Manheim (?) and I might end up in Germany simply because RSM alumni network strength.Case in point I might have a strong leverage with top leadership in Linde using both personal contacts through India leadership reference and also RSM alumni network in Germany and in Linde AG.. (I know one)...


So for now I am leaning German...I will think of Dutch if I get good schools here in my city.

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Duncan

Take a look at these posts:-
How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571
Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

If you are specifically targeting Linde, then RSN isn't the best option. In the Netherlands they hire more from Nyenrode's MBA (The RSM alum at Linde didn't take the MBA). However, there are a lot of Munich Business School and Insead MBAs at Linde in Germany, so those schools might be options.

On Dutch, I don't quite ger davidra's point. I was admitted to RSM, have the CNVT qualification in Dutch and work for a Dutch company. I don't see how you will learn Dutch to anything like a professional level during the MBA. My experience at RSM was few of the international students were even able to buy coffee in Dutch. It's a explosively intense course (especially in the first two terms and remember, it has been compressed from 15 months into 12 months, while the number of courses has actually increased by one, rather than reduced so it's even more intensive). Even so, I'd recommend putting the effort into German if you have started. Some Dutch universities offer intensive Dutch language courses aimed at people who know German, because that language is so close.

Take a look at these posts:-
How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571
Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

If you are specifically targeting Linde, then RSN isn't the best option. In the Netherlands they hire more from Nyenrode's MBA (The RSM alum at Linde didn't take the MBA). However, there are a lot of Munich Business School and Insead MBAs at Linde in Germany, so those schools might be options.

On Dutch, I don't quite ger davidra's point. I was admitted to RSM, have the CNVT qualification in Dutch and work for a Dutch company. I don't see how you will learn Dutch to anything like a professional level during the MBA. My experience at RSM was few of the international students were even able to buy coffee in Dutch. It's a explosively intense course (especially in the first two terms and remember, it has been compressed from 15 months into 12 months, while the number of courses has actually increased by one, rather than reduced so it's even more intensive). Even so, I'd recommend putting the effort into German if you have started. Some Dutch universities offer intensive Dutch language courses aimed at people who know German, because that language is so close.
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Take a look at these posts:-
How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571
Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

If you are specifically targeting Linde, then RSN isn't the best option. In the Netherlands they hire more from Nyenrode's MBA (The RSM alum at Linde didn't take the MBA). However, there are a lot of Munich Business School and Insead MBAs at Linde in Germany, so those schools might be options.


-------- Linde is a start. I might go for n number of operations options there : Heineken, Shell , Cargill etc...

Nyenrode while might be good but no match for RSM. I am sure with my profile and background it will not be an issue.

I get a sense that RSM will provide a overall better education than any german b school at present . B school in germany is not quite a traditional entry point for leadership or managerial profiles in tech companies. Most of them enter through strong Master / Phd program in technology .---------


On Dutch, I don't quite ger davidra's point. I was admitted to RSM, have the CNVT qualification in Dutch and work for a Dutch company. I don't see how you will learn Dutch to anything like a professional level during the MBA. My experience at RSM was few of the international students were even able to buy coffee in Dutch. It's a explosively intense course (especially in the first two terms and remember, it has been compressed from 15 months into 12 months, while the number of courses has actually increased by one, rather than reduced so it's even more intensive). Even so, I'd recommend putting the effort into German if you have started. Some Dutch universities offer intensive Dutch language courses aimed at people who know German, because that language is so close.

--------------Correct not possible to learn dutch or any FL during the program.I better would like to land in EU with at least one FL competency. I agree and will go for German and will see later if I can pick on Dutch.------------------


[quote]Take a look at these posts:-
How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571
Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

If you are specifically targeting Linde, then RSN isn't the best option. In the Netherlands they hire more from Nyenrode's MBA (The RSM alum at Linde didn't take the MBA). However, there are a lot of Munich Business School and Insead MBAs at Linde in Germany, so those schools might be options.


-------- Linde is a start. I might go for n number of operations options there : Heineken, Shell , Cargill etc...

Nyenrode while might be good but no match for RSM. I am sure with my profile and background it will not be an issue.

I get a sense that RSM will provide a overall better education than any german b school at present . B school in germany is not quite a traditional entry point for leadership or managerial profiles in tech companies. Most of them enter through strong Master / Phd program in technology .---------


On Dutch, I don't quite ger davidra's point. I was admitted to RSM, have the CNVT qualification in Dutch and work for a Dutch company. I don't see how you will learn Dutch to anything like a professional level during the MBA. My experience at RSM was few of the international students were even able to buy coffee in Dutch. It's a explosively intense course (especially in the first two terms and remember, it has been compressed from 15 months into 12 months, while the number of courses has actually increased by one, rather than reduced so it's even more intensive). Even so, I'd recommend putting the effort into German if you have started. Some Dutch universities offer intensive Dutch language courses aimed at people who know German, because that language is so close.

--------------Correct not possible to learn dutch or any FL during the program.I better would like to land in EU with at least one FL competency. I agree and will go for German and will see later if I can pick on Dutch.------------------




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I have enrolled myself for the A1 level German with Goethe Institut and they are saying with the time constraint I have I might just be able to move up to B1 level.

I wish I had C1 at least before landing in Europe.

I have enrolled myself for the A1 level German with Goethe Institut and they are saying with the time constraint I have I might just be able to move up to B1 level.

I wish I had C1 at least before landing in Europe.
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Duncan

I can recommend this... http://www.italki.com/?ref=1329104

I can recommend this... http://www.italki.com/?ref=1329104
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Awesome!!! just what I needed

Awesome!!! just what I needed
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Just one clarification.

Since I am now going for German, will it be an issue if I don't learn Dutch. Consider that I will be studying in RSM Netherlands. I am in general more interested in German Companies but I will also look for similar opportunities in the same industry in Netherlands.

Thanks
Kaushik

Just one clarification.

Since I am now going for German, will it be an issue if I don't learn Dutch. Consider that I will be studying in RSM Netherlands. I am in general more interested in German Companies but I will also look for similar opportunities in the same industry in Netherlands.

Thanks
Kaushik
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Duncan

I think you have to pick just one of those.

I think you have to pick just one of those.
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thanks for the feedback. yes its quite a task to master both at the same time

thanks for the feedback. yes its quite a task to master both at the same time
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John36

thanks for the feedback. yes its quite a task to master both at the same time


I agree with Duncan. I understand that you are trying to position yourself for both Dutch and German markets, but unless you can pick up two languages before you arrive to RSM, it will be quite difficult to learn either language during the program.

The program is quite intensive the first 2 terms in addition to all of the networking/career events that are held.

Something I was unaware of before I arrived at RSM is that it does have strong connections within the supply chain/operations industry. Amazon recruited many of the previous MBA batch for operation positions.

[quote]thanks for the feedback. yes its quite a task to master both at the same time[/quote]

I agree with Duncan. I understand that you are trying to position yourself for both Dutch and German markets, but unless you can pick up two languages before you arrive to RSM, it will be quite difficult to learn either language during the program.

The program is quite intensive the first 2 terms in addition to all of the networking/career events that are held.

Something I was unaware of before I arrived at RSM is that it does have strong connections within the supply chain/operations industry. Amazon recruited many of the previous MBA batch for operation positions.
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thanks for the feedback. yes its quite a task to master both at the same time


I agree with Duncan. I understand that you are trying to position yourself for both Dutch and German markets, but unless you can pick up two languages before you arrive to RSM, it will be quite difficult to learn either language during the program.

The program is quite intensive the first 2 terms in addition to all of the networking/career events that are held.

Something I was unaware of before I arrived at RSM is that it does have strong connections within the supply chain/operations industry. Amazon recruited many of the previous MBA batch for operation positions.


Hi John,

This is Kaushik here. So you are currently studying in RSM ?

[quote][quote]thanks for the feedback. yes its quite a task to master both at the same time[/quote]

I agree with Duncan. I understand that you are trying to position yourself for both Dutch and German markets, but unless you can pick up two languages before you arrive to RSM, it will be quite difficult to learn either language during the program.

The program is quite intensive the first 2 terms in addition to all of the networking/career events that are held.

Something I was unaware of before I arrived at RSM is that it does have strong connections within the supply chain/operations industry. Amazon recruited many of the previous MBA batch for operation positions. [/quote]

Hi John,

This is Kaushik here. So you are currently studying in RSM ?
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Hi All,

I recently passed my A1 German with 80%. Though it could have been better but I am bit weak in hearing :)

Kaushik

[Edited by kaushik.guha85 on Jun 02, 2016]

Hi All,

I recently passed my A1 German with 80%. Though it could have been better but I am bit weak in hearing :)

Kaushik
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