France: FT's good news for EDHEC, EM Lyon and Grenoble


Duncan
Goods news for the 'next three' of French business schools today: http://find-mba.com/news/2016/12/financial-times-2016-european-business-school-rankings While HEC, ESSEC and ESCP are the leaders in most French rankings, the next three challengers have all risen in today's FT ranking. EDHEC has risen an amazing 11 places, to 14th in Europe, while ESSEC is just 18th.
Goods news for the 'next three' of French business schools today: http://find-mba.com/news/2016/12/financial-times-2016-european-business-school-rankings While HEC, ESSEC and ESCP are the leaders in most French rankings, the next three challengers have all risen in today's FT ranking. EDHEC has risen an amazing 11 places, to 14th in Europe, while ESSEC is just 18th.
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Dan85
The ranking seems a bit odd to me, though. Does the methodology penalize a school for not offering one of these five program types? The numbers suggest so - or do I miss something here?

Quote from the FT page "SSE does not have a ranked MBA and so is ranked on four courses instead of the maximum five, limiting its overall score."

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The ranking seems a bit odd to me, though. Does the methodology penalize a school for not offering one of these five program types? The numbers suggest so - or do I miss something here?

Quote from the FT page "SSE does not have a ranked MBA and so is ranked on four courses instead of the maximum five, limiting its overall score."
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Duncan
Yes, and I think that's reasonable. An MSc school without an MBA is less impactful than a school with both an MSc suite of the same strength and also an MBA.
Yes, and I think that's reasonable. An MSc school without an MBA is less impactful than a school with both an MSc suite of the same strength and also an MBA.
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Andy_B
I would rank Schools only by employer recognition and\or employability, salary. All the rest like international experience and student satisfaction should just serve an oweral goal: your recognition by the market. I guess size of the school and even simply recognized name help
people to remember the school name.

I was surprised that ESMT Berlin which is ranked hight is almost no-name in Bernlin because of its size.

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I would rank Schools only by employer recognition and\or employability, salary. All the rest like international experience and student satisfaction should just serve an oweral goal: your recognition by the market. I guess size of the school and even simply recognized name help
people to remember the school name.

I was surprised that ESMT Berlin which is ranked hight is almost no-name in Bernlin because of its size.
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Duncan
Obviously those are the major factors in the weighting of the rankings. Other data are certainly useful. If you are an international student looking to move to Germany then international mobility is more important than salary.

Why are you surprised that a new and tiny school teaching in English is not widely known in Berlin? Outside business circles, I find that lots of people assume that when i say London Business School that i must mean the LSE. These are not consumer brands, let alone schools with large numbers of domestic students.
Obviously those are the major factors in the weighting of the rankings. Other data are certainly useful. If you are an international student looking to move to Germany then international mobility is more important than salary.

Why are you surprised that a new and tiny school teaching in English is not widely known in Berlin? Outside business circles, I find that lots of people assume that when i say London Business School that i must mean the LSE. These are not consumer brands, let alone schools with large numbers of domestic students.
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Andy_B

Why are you surprised that a new and tiny school teaching in English is not widely known in Berlin? Outside business circles, I find that lots of people assume that when i say London Business School that i must mean the LSE. These are not consumer brands, let alone schools with large numbers of domestic students.

I was surprized because I was looking for some good program, so I look on the ranking and see that this school is one of the highest ranked not only in Germany but in whole Europe. I expected that good scores mean easy to find a job. Why I expected that? Well, just my personal experience, which seems to be wrong. In 3 countries I used to live\work (Scandinavia and Eastern Europe) FT rank represents employability\promition opportunity. For example, with BI, CBS or SSE degree you will always get a job on local market, no matter what.

I can tell you only about Scandinavia: both LSE and LBS have incredible ranking if you ask common citizen in a pub. They just love it, I have checked it myself :) I am not sure they know the difference between them, but they say something like: Warwick? what is that? LSE? wow, Anna went to LSE, can you imagine how smart she is?

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Why are you surprised that a new and tiny school teaching in English is not widely known in Berlin? Outside business circles, I find that lots of people assume that when i say London Business School that i must mean the LSE. These are not consumer brands, let alone schools with large numbers of domestic students.[/quote]
I was surprized because I was looking for some good program, so I look on the ranking and see that this school is one of the highest ranked not only in Germany but in whole Europe. I expected that good scores mean easy to find a job. Why I expected that? Well, just my personal experience, which seems to be wrong. In 3 countries I used to live\work (Scandinavia and Eastern Europe) FT rank represents employability\promition opportunity. For example, with BI, CBS or SSE degree you will always get a job on local market, no matter what.

I can tell you only about Scandinavia: both LSE and LBS have incredible ranking if you ask common citizen in a pub. They just love it, I have checked it myself :) I am not sure they know the difference between them, but they say something like: Warwick? what is that? LSE? wow, Anna went to LSE, can you imagine how smart she is?
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Duncan
Esmt is more successful at placing international MBAs than CBS. Its just not well known. That is not a problem unless you want a guy in the pub to hire you. And the average guy in a London pub has not heard of LBS. I am an LBS alum.
Esmt is more successful at placing international MBAs than CBS. Its just not well known. That is not a problem unless you want a guy in the pub to hire you. And the average guy in a London pub has not heard of LBS. I am an LBS alum.
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Goods news for the 'next three' of French business schools today: http://find-mba.com/news/2016/12/financial-times-2016-european-business-school-rankings While HEC, ESSEC and ESCP are the leaders in most French rankings, the next three challengers have all risen in today's FT ranking. EDHEC has risen an amazing 11 places, to 14th in Europe, while ESSEC is just 18th.

That EDHEC jump is crazy. Maybe that's the result of it finally placing in the MBA Ranking this year?
[quote]Goods news for the 'next three' of French business schools today: http://find-mba.com/news/2016/12/financial-times-2016-european-business-school-rankings While HEC, ESSEC and ESCP are the leaders in most French rankings, the next three challengers have all risen in today's FT ranking. EDHEC has risen an amazing 11 places, to 14th in Europe, while ESSEC is just 18th.[/quote]
That EDHEC jump is crazy. Maybe that's the result of it finally placing in the MBA Ranking this year?
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