European University Barcelona/Munich


I meant that some "may" consider AACSB as Gold Standard as compared with ACBSP & IACBE in the USA setting. I would rather we stick to facts rather than subjective opinions, hence my attempt to provide some information that is verifiable. Besides, AACSB is American, AMBA is British, while EQUIS is European. I would be loathe to label one country's accreditation body as better than the other as that would seem rather presumptuous. Naturally, you are entitled to your opinion and I welcome and respect that. Coming back to the European University, they may not be such a great university, but they are accredited and serve as an option for candidates.
I meant that some "may" consider AACSB as Gold Standard as compared with ACBSP & IACBE in the USA setting. I would rather we stick to facts rather than subjective opinions, hence my attempt to provide some information that is verifiable. Besides, AACSB is American, AMBA is British, while EQUIS is European. I would be loathe to label one country's accreditation body as better than the other as that would seem rather presumptuous. Naturally, you are entitled to your opinion and I welcome and respect that. Coming back to the European University, they may not be such a great university, but they are accredited and serve as an option for candidates.
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Duncan
Oh Matt, this is hilarious. Seriously: is there anyone who considers the ACBSP or IACBE the gold standard? Do you see any schools who have one of the top three accreditations every putting the ACBSP or IACBE logos on their websites instead? C'mon! This is hardly my opinion: it's observable fact that they are the top three accreditations .

None of these accreditation schemes are especially national
Oh Matt, this is hilarious. Seriously: is there anyone who considers the ACBSP or IACBE the gold standard? Do you see any schools who have one of the top three accreditations every putting the ACBSP or IACBE logos on their websites instead? C'mon! This is hardly my opinion: it's observable fact that they are the top three accreditations .

None of these accreditation schemes are especially national
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As I said, you are entitled to your view point.
As I said, you are entitled to your view point.
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Avid
I agree with Matt. This EU is not so bad. Has Accreditation has graduates getting jobs. Peoples do not look only at British Standard. Sorry Duncan but I agree with Matt.

Also Saif Gaddafi got PhD from London School of Economics! After moving from European University.
I agree with Matt. This EU is not so bad. Has Accreditation has graduates getting jobs. Peoples do not look only at British Standard. Sorry Duncan but I agree with Matt.

Also Saif Gaddafi got PhD from London School of Economics! After moving from European University.
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Duncan
Hi Avid. What's your relationship with the European University?
Of course I am not saying that British standards are higher; I am saying that meaningful international and national accreditation are the safest quality signs for MBA applicants. The EU, of course, has neither.

I think it's a bad thing that the EU prepared Saif Gaddafi for academic corruption. How about you?
Hi Avid. What's your relationship with the European University?
Of course I am not saying that British standards are higher; I am saying that meaningful international and national accreditation are the safest quality signs for MBA applicants. The EU, of course, has neither.

I think it's a bad thing that the EU prepared Saif Gaddafi for academic corruption. How about you?
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I´m thinking of studying the banking mba at EU.

I understand it's not Harvard, but I can't afford that either.

I Don´t think it´s that bad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_University#cite_note-47

I think it's a bad thing that the EU prepared Saif Gaddafi for academic corruption. How about you?


Well, if Saif Gaddafi also studied at LSE (and even more, a PhD), they should get some credit for that too.

And talking about credits, I guess the 72 ECTS would be enough to go for a PhD in any big european university after completion.
I´m thinking of studying the banking mba at EU.

I understand it's not Harvard, but I can't afford that either.

I Don´t think it´s that bad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_University#cite_note-47

[quote]I think it's a bad thing that the EU prepared Saif Gaddafi for academic corruption. How about you?
[/quote]

Well, if Saif Gaddafi also studied at LSE (and even more, a PhD), they should get some credit for that too.

And talking about credits, I guess the 72 ECTS would be enough to go for a PhD in any big european university after completion.
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Duncan
I think that would be an excellent question to put to a PhD programme at a top European university. If you find any that are enthusiastic about MBA graduates from the EU, I would be amazed -- unless your family was able to make as big a donation as Saif Gaddafi's.
I think that would be an excellent question to put to a PhD programme at a top European university. If you find any that are enthusiastic about MBA graduates from the EU, I would be amazed -- unless your family was able to make as big a donation as Saif Gaddafi's.
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I think that would be an excellent question to put to a PhD programme at a top European university. If you find any that are enthusiastic about MBA graduates from the EU, I would be amazed -- unless your family was able to make as big a donation as Saif Gaddafi's.


Are you saying PhDs at LSE are a matter of family donations? :)

The truth is I´ve read a bit on this EU and I´m less convinced of studying anything there.

Could you please recommend me any banking-finance MBA or post grad to do while working in French-speaking Switzerland?

I don´t think I could go for IMD. Do you have an opinion on any of these:

www.ubis-geneva.ch

www.universiteifm.com

part-time at public universities?
on-line?

Thank you very much.
[quote]I think that would be an excellent question to put to a PhD programme at a top European university. If you find any that are enthusiastic about MBA graduates from the EU, I would be amazed -- unless your family was able to make as big a donation as Saif Gaddafi's.[/quote]

Are you saying PhDs at LSE are a matter of family donations? :)

The truth is I´ve read a bit on this EU and I´m less convinced of studying anything there.

Could you please recommend me any banking-finance MBA or post grad to do while working in French-speaking Switzerland?

I don´t think I could go for IMD. Do you have an opinion on any of these:

www.ubis-geneva.ch

www.universiteifm.com

part-time at public universities?
on-line?

Thank you very much.
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badux

Could you please recommend me any banking-finance MBA or post grad to do while working in French-speaking Switzerland?

Are you only considering part-time options? There are a few of accredited business schools in both Lausanne and Geneva that offer part-time MBA and EMBA programs. Check out HEC Lausanne and HEC Geneva to start with. I believe that HEC Lausanne offers a concentration in corporate finance, as part of its EMBA program.

Unfortunately I don't think that there's anything else banking- or finance-specific MBA that meets all of your other needs. And ultimately, it will really depend on your goals. IMD is a great school, but not really known for its finance placements, nor does the part-time EMBA offer much finance as part of the curriculum.

If you were looking at Switzerland more broadly I wouldn't hesitate to recommend St. Gallen, which has excellent placements in finance and offers some great banking and finance electives as part of the school's part-time MBA curriculum.
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Could you please recommend me any banking-finance MBA or post grad to do while working in French-speaking Switzerland?[/quote]
Are you only considering part-time options? There are a few of accredited business schools in both Lausanne and Geneva that offer part-time MBA and EMBA programs. Check out HEC Lausanne and HEC Geneva to start with. I believe that HEC Lausanne offers a concentration in corporate finance, as part of its EMBA program.

Unfortunately I don't think that there's anything else banking- or finance-specific MBA that meets all of your other needs. And ultimately, it will really depend on your goals. IMD is a great school, but not really known for its finance placements, nor does the part-time EMBA offer much finance as part of the curriculum.

If you were looking at Switzerland more broadly I wouldn't hesitate to recommend St. Gallen, which has excellent placements in finance and offers some great banking and finance electives as part of the school's part-time MBA curriculum.
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Jonas1995
Agreed..stay away from EU Business school

[Edited by Jonas1995 on Aug 10, 2018]

Agreed..stay away from EU Business school
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Duncan
Link? Whether or not accreditation is used for marketing that does not contradict the reality that it is a quality sign. And EU still does not have the legal status as a university.
Link? Whether or not accreditation is used for marketing that does not contradict the reality that it is a quality sign. And EU still does not have the legal status as a university.
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Alain
It's strange. If you search for "European University" as an accredited institution, still nothing shows up: http://www.chea.org/search/search.asp

Possibly, it's just that one program that is accredited by ACBSP (not CHEA)?

Strange that Duncan said that the European University is not accredited by CHEA.. while it actually is !!! Listed under European University Barcelona - Accredited Program - Business.

Is Duncan paid to support some universities and not others? So misleading.. and why did he attack that ne guy who said he liked it..Avid so strongly with .."what is your connection with the European University". I thougth this site was impartial and fair for us to find information.

See for yourself.
http://www.chea.org/search/actionProg.asp?seq=112066

[Edited by Alain on Feb 14, 2016]

It's strange. If you search for "European University" as an accredited institution, still nothing shows up: http://www.chea.org/search/search.asp

Possibly, it's just that one program that is accredited by ACBSP (not CHEA)?

[quote]Strange that Duncan said that the European University is not accredited by CHEA.. while it actually is !!! Listed under European University Barcelona - Accredited Program - Business.

Is Duncan paid to support some universities and not others? So misleading.. and why did he attack that ne guy who said he liked it..Avid so strongly with .."what is your connection with the European University". I thougth this site was impartial and fair for us to find information.

See for yourself.
http://www.chea.org/search/actionProg.asp?seq=112066
[/quote]
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Duncan
Yes, I think the situation is still that only the business programme at Barcelona has ACBSP accreditation, not the other programmes or campuses. Even so, five years later, the triple crown accreditations (AACSB, EQUIS and AMBA) remain the ones held by the best business schools. And also, five years later, the EU doesn't seem to have the right the grant degrees in any of the countries where it operates campuses.

Just a comment on Donovan McFarlane's paper above. He teaches at Nova Southeastern University, which is accredited by IACBE (founded by the same entrepreneurial scholar who founded ACBSP). While McFarlane is a scholar who has produced some interesting research, this paper is rather weak since it draws on no data to support its assertions. It would not get published in a noted journal. For example the "Journal of Business Administration and Education", an online-only website which published it, is not indexed by Copernicus (http://jml2012.indexcopernicus.com/Journal+of+Business+Administration+and+Education,p1829,3.html) and does not feature in the SJR (http://www.scimagojr.com/journalsearch.php). His claim, essentially that there's no advantage in AACSB accreditation, is disproven by slary data that shows that employers pay a premium for better accreditation: Why international accreditation matters http://www.find-mba.com/board/41224
Yes, I think the situation is still that only the business programme at Barcelona has ACBSP accreditation, not the other programmes or campuses. Even so, five years later, the triple crown accreditations (AACSB, EQUIS and AMBA) remain the ones held by the best business schools. And also, five years later, the EU doesn't seem to have the right the grant degrees in any of the countries where it operates campuses.

Just a comment on Donovan McFarlane's paper above. He teaches at Nova Southeastern University, which is accredited by IACBE (founded by the same entrepreneurial scholar who founded ACBSP). While McFarlane is a scholar who has produced some interesting research, this paper is rather weak since it draws on no data to support its assertions. It would not get published in a noted journal. For example the "Journal of Business Administration and Education", an online-only website which published it, is not indexed by Copernicus (http://jml2012.indexcopernicus.com/Journal+of+Business+Administration+and+Education,p1829,3.html) and does not feature in the SJR (http://www.scimagojr.com/journalsearch.php). His claim, essentially that there's no advantage in AACSB accreditation, is disproven by slary data that shows that employers pay a premium for better accreditation: Why international accreditation matters http://www.find-mba.com/board/41224


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mba hipste...
Wow, that research paper is so shoddy, and surprisingly biased:

Graduates from IACBE and ACBSP, as well as other non-AACSB accredited schools are equally knowledgeable, and in many cases, even more equipped in interpersonal
skills since they do not have the propaganda accreditation stamp to speak for them
and to demonstrate their skills.

Duncan, you're absolutely right that there's no data to back any of these claims up. That's absolutely shocking. I agree with some of his points—that AACSB aggressively markets its services, and that these services are expensive and are perhaps making MBA programs more expensive, but if the long-run salary payoffs are there this should not matter.

McFarlane seems to think that people are being misled by the agency, but this claim has no basis in hard data, just a strong sense of injustice.
Wow, that research paper is so shoddy, and surprisingly biased:

[quote]Graduates from IACBE and ACBSP, as well as other non-AACSB accredited schools are equally knowledgeable, and in many cases, even more equipped in interpersonal
skills since they do not have the propaganda accreditation stamp to speak for them
and to demonstrate their skills. [/quote]
Duncan, you're absolutely right that there's no data to back any of these claims up. That's absolutely shocking. I agree with some of his points—that AACSB aggressively markets its services, and that these services are expensive and are perhaps making MBA programs more expensive, but if the long-run salary payoffs are there this should not matter.

McFarlane seems to think that people are being misled by the agency, but this claim has no basis in hard data, just a strong sense of injustice.
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