European MBA/ UK/ Germany/ Norway


JJ1098

Good day,

Iam an Indian Mechanical engineer, with 10 - 11 years of core experience. 1.5 years in vendor management in India, 5 years in projects/ service in Dubai & 5 years in Sales/ area management in Dubai.

I plan to pursue an MBA & settle in Europe. I have applied to NHH Norway. I plan to apply to EBS/ Pforzheim/ Esselingen in Germany as a friend recommended those schools. I also plan to apply to Liverpool/ Brunel/ Nottingham/ Birmingham or similar schools in UK which are in my budget. Studying in UK would help me to apply for jobs with out mandatory fluent national languages for jobs.

I have scored only GMAT 600, low verbal scores, quant is ok. I plan to retake. however, I have an all band 90 in PTE academic. I plan to pursue Industrial management/ analytics/ product management after MBA. I am also open to roles in General management, Sales/ finance. The above list of priorities are based on my current experience, though iam flexible to switch careers.

Your kind comments on few ideal business schools considering my profile would be much appreciated. The number one priority would definitely be a suitable job after graduation.

Many thanks in advance,

[Edited by JJ1098 on Apr 09, 2020]

Good day,

Iam an Indian Mechanical engineer, with 10 - 11 years of core experience. 1.5 years in vendor management in India, 5 years in projects/ service in Dubai & 5 years in Sales/ area management in Dubai.

I plan to pursue an MBA & settle in Europe. I have applied to NHH Norway. I plan to apply to EBS/ Pforzheim/ Esselingen in Germany as a friend recommended those schools. I also plan to apply to Liverpool/ Brunel/ Nottingham/ Birmingham or similar schools in UK which are in my budget. Studying in UK would help me to apply for jobs with out mandatory fluent national languages for jobs.

I have scored only GMAT 600, low verbal scores, quant is ok. I plan to retake. however, I have an all band 90 in PTE academic. I plan to pursue Industrial management/ analytics/ product management after MBA. I am also open to roles in General management, Sales/ finance. The above list of priorities are based on my current experience, though iam flexible to switch careers.

Your kind comments on few ideal business schools considering my profile would be much appreciated. The number one priority would definitely be a suitable job after graduation.

Many thanks in advance,
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Duncan

I think you should focus much more on developing specific goals, and that means taking an honest inventory of where you can add the most value and fit with your own preferences and values.

PS Also see: https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-mbas-for-international-students-placement-35651

[Edited by Duncan on Apr 09, 2020]

I think you should focus much more on developing specific goals, and that means taking an honest inventory of where you can add the most value and fit with your own preferences and values.

PS Also see: https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-mbas-for-international-students-placement-35651
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JJ1098

I think you should focus much more on developing specific goals, and that means taking an honest inventory of where you can add the most value and fit with your own preferences and values.

PS Also see: https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-mbas-for-international-students-placement-35651


Thank you for the response,
I believe I would be able to add most value and my primary area of interest would be Industrial/ product or engineering management. would UK/ Germany schools be more ideal for this stream. Which schools would you suggest? I understand that there's a recession ahead, so would you suggest waiting a year to enter and meanwhile work on my GMAT score (1 trust i could work out a 650) and german language? what are your thoughts on EBS for my profile?

[quote]I think you should focus much more on developing specific goals, and that means taking an honest inventory of where you can add the most value and fit with your own preferences and values.

PS Also see: https://find-mba.com/board/general-forum/best-mbas-for-international-students-placement-35651 [/quote]

Thank you for the response,
I believe I would be able to add most value and my primary area of interest would be Industrial/ product or engineering management. would UK/ Germany schools be more ideal for this stream. Which schools would you suggest? I understand that there's a recession ahead, so would you suggest waiting a year to enter and meanwhile work on my GMAT score (1 trust i could work out a 650) and german language? what are your thoughts on EBS for my profile?
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Duncan

Because I assume that you are spending the next year working, rather than in a full-time German programme, I think roles for you are limited in Germany. I would certainly focus on improving your GMAT and getting your German skills at least up to Zertifikat Deutsch before starting the MBA, and the Zertifikat Deutsch für den Beruf around the time you graduate.

ESB might be a better choice than EBS. I am sure ESB would admit you. Bt, really, you can get into a much better school.

Because I assume that you are spending the next year working, rather than in a full-time German programme, I think roles for you are limited in Germany. I would certainly focus on improving your GMAT and getting your German skills at least up to Zertifikat Deutsch before starting the MBA, and the Zertifikat Deutsch für den Beruf around the time you graduate.

ESB might be a better choice than EBS. I am sure ESB would admit you. Bt, really, you can get into a much better school.
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JJ1098

Because I assume that you are spending the next year working, rather than in a full-time German programme, I think roles for you are limited in Germany. I would certainly focus on improving your GMAT and getting your German skills at least up to Zertifikat Deutsch before starting the MBA, and the Zertifikat Deutsch für den Beruf around the time you graduate.

ESB might be a better choice than EBS. I am sure ESB would admit you. Bt, really, you can get into a much better school.


I understand from you and from a friend who graduated in Mannheim that language grasp is primary for a well paid job in Germany post MBA. When you say a "much better school" what school would you have in mind considering my profile and a possible GMAT score of 650-670. in UK & Germany?

[quote]Because I assume that you are spending the next year working, rather than in a full-time German programme, I think roles for you are limited in Germany. I would certainly focus on improving your GMAT and getting your German skills at least up to Zertifikat Deutsch before starting the MBA, and the Zertifikat Deutsch für den Beruf around the time you graduate.

ESB might be a better choice than EBS. I am sure ESB would admit you. Bt, really, you can get into a much better school. [/quote]

I understand from you and from a friend who graduated in Mannheim that language grasp is primary for a well paid job in Germany post MBA. When you say a "much better school" what school would you have in mind considering my profile and a possible GMAT score of 650-670. in UK & Germany?
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Duncan

I mean the schools ranked by the Financial Times, and in particular the ones on the post I linked aboveabout placement. But my main point remains that the key obstacle is your need to develop a clear and focussed career strategy, rather than a GMAT score.

I mean the schools ranked by the Financial Times, and in particular the ones on the post I linked aboveabout placement. But my main point remains that the key obstacle is your need to develop a clear and focussed career strategy, rather than a GMAT score.
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JJ1098

Good day,
Thank you for the kind feedback, it is helpful. I have read over the last month and is planning on the below strategy, To aim for a career in product development with manufacturing or product management with technology industry. I have limited my search to schools from UK & Germany. 
I read through the list of colleges with good international mobility and keeping the abovesaid in mind do you recommend any particular college.
Iam 35 and was expecting to join this year, but with the current COVID situation Iam afraid that i may end up studying in hostel for atleast a semester and I will pass out to an economy in recession. especially if i opt for a one year MBA in UK. Do you think deferring the studies by a year may be a good option at this age.
Do you know any MBA colleges that offer some insights into industry 4.0, IIOT & business analytics in their course content. I am allotted to Msc. in Industrial analytics at University of Uppsala, Sweden. Iam planning not to pursue as I think it could be for entry level professionals and an MBA would be a better fit for me. And i believe Germany & UK have better job opportunities.
Would much appreciate your thoughts on the abovesaid notes at your convenience & I find the information in these forums very much helpful. Good job.

Good day,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for the kind feedback, it is helpful. I have read over the last month and is planning on the below strategy,&nbsp;</div><div>To aim for a career in product development with manufacturing or product management with technology industry. I have limited my search to schools from UK &amp; Germany.&nbsp;<br></div><div>I read through the list of colleges with good international mobility and keeping the abovesaid in mind do you recommend any particular college.</div><div><br></div><div>Iam 35 and was expecting to join this year, but with the current COVID situation Iam afraid that i may end up studying in hostel for atleast a semester and I will pass out to an economy in recession. especially if i opt for a one year MBA in UK. Do you think deferring the studies by a year may be a good option at this age.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you know any MBA colleges that offer some insights into industry 4.0, IIOT &amp; business analytics in their course content. I am allotted to Msc. in Industrial analytics at University of Uppsala, Sweden. Iam planning not to pursue as I think it could be for entry level professionals and an MBA would be a better fit for me. And i believe Germany &amp; UK have better job opportunities.</div><div><br></div><div>Would much appreciate your thoughts on the abovesaid notes at your convenience &amp; I find the information in these forums very much helpful. Good job.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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Duncan

I am not sure if you need an MBA or a specialised masters. What qualifications do product managers have in your target firms? Maybe this sort of curriculum fits you better 

I am not sure if you need an MBA or a specialised masters. What qualifications do product managers have in your target firms? Maybe this sort of curriculum fits you better&nbsp;
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JJ1098

Good day & thank you for the response,
I have a friend with a similar pathway, He studied in HHL Leipzig 2017, went on to become a product development manager in a canadian aerospace multinational in Germany. He stressed the necessity for impeccable german language and its necessity for promotions. He found german language quite tough but work was really wonderful. His previous experience is more or less similar to mine in project management.
Could you guide me to similar FT 1st or 2nd tier ranked schools in UK that are not very expensive (around 27k GBP) as this would help me to overcome the language barrier. Do you think it would be a good idea to defer studies by a year due to ongoing COVID situation. A 2 year stay back in UK is quite attractive. 
I have always wanted to do an MBA rather than a MS/ MSc. Iam willing to take a break for 12 - 18 months and Iam now 35.

Good day &amp; thank you for the response,<div><br></div><div>I have a friend with a similar pathway, He studied in HHL Leipzig 2017, went on to become a product development manager in a canadian aerospace multinational in Germany. He stressed the necessity for impeccable german language and its necessity for promotions. He found german language quite tough but work was really wonderful. His previous experience is more or less similar to mine in project management.</div><div><br></div><div>Could you guide me to similar FT 1st or 2nd tier ranked schools in UK that are not very expensive (around 27k GBP) as this would help me to overcome the language barrier. Do you think it would be a good idea to defer studies by a year due to ongoing COVID situation. A 2 year stay back in UK is quite attractive.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I have always wanted to do an MBA rather than a MS/ MSc. Iam willing to take a break for 12 - 18 months and Iam now 35.</div>
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Duncan

I'm not sure I can give you a recommendation on the basis of what I know. With your goals I dont see how an MBA fits better than a specialised masters.

[Edited by Duncan on May 05, 2020]

I'm not sure I can give you a recommendation on the basis of what I know. With your goals I dont see how an MBA fits better than a specialised masters.
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Duncan

I can't get a link to post but for example I wonder if this sort of curriculum suits you better: the MSc at the Ecole Politecnique in management and IoT. 

[Edited by Duncan on May 05, 2020]

I can't get a link to post but for example I wonder if this sort of curriculum suits you better: the MSc at the Ecole Politecnique in management and IoT.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div><br></div>
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JJ1098

Thanks, a final query, I noticed that some technology firms such as Amazon & Microsoft also hire MBAs, in UK. Any particular schools I should be aiming at to achieve this outcome? At 35, do you think a full time MBA or executive MBA would be a better fit for me, especially as I use MBA as a vehicle for international mobility.  

Thanks, a final query, I noticed that some technology firms such as Amazon &amp; Microsoft also hire MBAs, in UK. Any particular schools I should be aiming at to achieve this outcome?&nbsp;<div>At 35, do you think a full time MBA or executive MBA would be a better fit for me, especially as I use MBA as a vehicle for international mobility.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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Duncan

Take a look at
Best MBAs for international students' placement http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143
How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571

<div>Take a look at</div><div><br></div><div>Best MBAs for international students' placement http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143</div><div><br></div><div>How to use LinkedIn to find the best school www.find-mba.com/board/33571</div>
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Duncan

I don't think you can get a visa with an EMBA so focus on full time degrees. I still don't see why an MBA is better for your goal than an MSc. 

I don't think you can get a visa with an EMBA so focus on full time degrees. I still don't see why an MBA is better for your goal than an MSc.&nbsp;
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JJ1098

Thanks, I read your replies. I opted for an MBA as I am aiming to get into a middle management role & I have wanted to do one since college. Also, I have grown out of pure technical roles and is into a commercial role for the last few years, I thought an MBA would suit better. 
I do not intend to gain exposure to analytics or industry 4.0 to get into a very technical role, rather to gain knowledge as i think these may be helpful for career over the next few years. I could even gain the required knowledge of these through online short courses i guess. And honestly, I have never considered doing a M.Sc. M Sc. typically pays less and candidates often end up in junior levels right? 

Thanks, I read your replies. I opted for an MBA as I am aiming to get into a middle management role &amp; I have wanted to do one since college. Also, I have grown out of pure technical roles and is into a commercial role for the last few years, I thought an MBA would suit better.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I do not intend to gain exposure to analytics or industry 4.0 to get into a very technical role, rather to gain knowledge as i think these may be helpful for career over the next few years. I could even gain the required knowledge of these through online short courses i guess. And honestly, I have never considered doing a M.Sc.&nbsp;</div><div>M Sc. typically pays less and candidates often end up in junior levels right?&nbsp;</div>
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Duncan

Yes. 

Yes.&nbsp;
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Thanks, a final query, I noticed that some technology firms such as Amazon & Microsoft also hire MBAs, in UK. 
Amazon is a key recruiter of students at LBS, Cambridge and Manchester. These big technology firms are an increasingly popular destination for MBAs, and Amazon, Microsoft, etc. need a lot of them, but they tend to have well-trodden funnels through the better schools. 

[quote]Thanks, a final query, I noticed that some technology firms such as Amazon &amp; Microsoft also hire MBAs, in UK.&nbsp; [/quote]<div>Amazon is a key recruiter of students at LBS, Cambridge and Manchester. These big technology firms are an increasingly popular destination for MBAs, and Amazon, Microsoft, etc. need a lot of them, but they tend to have well-trodden funnels through the better schools.&nbsp;</div>
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