MBS v/s Oxbridge


Hello friends, new to the forum.

I am contemplating to apply for full time MBA programs. With 8 years of good exp ( 4 yrs intl exp) in sales, operations and business development and 710 GMAT I am interested in 1 year programs. So US is out of question. Post MBA I want to work in Corporate Strategy kind of roles. From Europe I have shortlisted IE, Oxford, Cambridge, IMD, Cranefield and MBS from Aus. I am not interested living/working in Canada or HK.


MBS program is recently restructured to 1 year and what I learn from other forums is international students find difficult to get a job in Aus without a PR. Can someone please let me know if its true for MBS - MBA grads also, considering the MBS is top rated program in APAC. Can someone throw light on how strong is MBS alumni network in London, Singapore and Middle East.

I know its bit vague but wanted to know how strong is pedagogy at MBS v/s Oxbridge ! MBS is an old school as compared to Oxbridge but is not appearing in top 30 schools in almost any MBA rankings, whereas Oxbridge have made it to almost all the rankings. So I guess it must mean something. What others have to say ! Please share your views.

Regards
DJ

Hello friends, new to the forum.

I am contemplating to apply for full time MBA programs. With 8 years of good exp ( 4 yrs intl exp) in sales, operations and business development and 710 GMAT I am interested in 1 year programs. So US is out of question. Post MBA I want to work in Corporate Strategy kind of roles. From Europe I have shortlisted IE, Oxford, Cambridge, IMD, Cranefield and MBS from Aus. I am not interested living/working in Canada or HK.


MBS program is recently restructured to 1 year and what I learn from other forums is international students find difficult to get a job in Aus without a PR. Can someone please let me know if its true for MBS - MBA grads also, considering the MBS is top rated program in APAC. Can someone throw light on how strong is MBS alumni network in London, Singapore and Middle East.

I know its bit vague but wanted to know how strong is pedagogy at MBS v/s Oxbridge ! MBS is an old school as compared to Oxbridge but is not appearing in top 30 schools in almost any MBA rankings, whereas Oxbridge have made it to almost all the rankings. So I guess it must mean something. What others have to say ! Please share your views.

Regards
DJ
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Duncan

Since this is the first year of the Melbourne MBA without an internship it will be hard to predict the outcomes. Placement has been very strong there. Oxbridge is a different proposition with a more global reach.

Since this is the first year of the Melbourne MBA without an internship it will be hard to predict the outcomes. Placement has been very strong there. Oxbridge is a different proposition with a more global reach.
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Hi Duncan, Appreciate your reply. I think your are right here. Due to strong and large university alumni, Oxbridge MBAs will be able to connect with people and companies from almost all parts of the world.

However I wanted to understand the quality of pedagogy, industry connections and alumni network purely for B school, considering the fact that all three are now 1 year programs. I am sure MBS must have done considerable research and must have taken industry and alumni feedback, before shifting to 1 year format from its 45 years old 2 year MBA format.

Hi Duncan, Appreciate your reply. I think your are right here. Due to strong and large university alumni, Oxbridge MBAs will be able to connect with people and companies from almost all parts of the world.

However I wanted to understand the quality of pedagogy, industry connections and alumni network purely for B school, considering the fact that all three are now 1 year programs. I am sure MBS must have done considerable research and must have taken industry and alumni feedback, before shifting to 1 year format from its 45 years old 2 year MBA format.
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Duncan

The Melbourne MBA network is very Australian, with some base in the US, UK, Singapore and India. The Said network isn't much smaller, and probably the alumni bases outside their domestic markets are not different in size. Said is probably stronger in the UK, Indian, US and Canada than MBS. Judge is similar, but with more of a network in mainland Europe and Singapore than Said.

Outcomes are good at all these schools, so the pedagogy is a personal choice.

The Melbourne MBA network is very Australian, with some base in the US, UK, Singapore and India. The Said network isn't much smaller, and probably the alumni bases outside their domestic markets are not different in size. Said is probably stronger in the UK, Indian, US and Canada than MBS. Judge is similar, but with more of a network in mainland Europe and Singapore than Said.

Outcomes are good at all these schools, so the pedagogy is a personal choice.
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ralph

I am sure MBS must have done considerable research and must have taken industry and alumni feedback, before shifting to 1 year format from its 45 years old 2 year MBA format.

The new course is designed based on executive education-style short courses, so you'll find that it relies less on lectures and more on small group experiences and projects. The UK programs put a heavy focus on their project components, where you'll have real-world experience.

Beyond that, the bottom line is that Oxford and Cambridge grads have higher salaries than those of MBS grads. That may or may not make a difference to you, depending on where you'd like to end up after graduation. If you're not a UK or an EU national, it's a bit more difficult to get a visa in the UK post-study; but it won't be a problem in Australia.

<blockquote>I am sure MBS must have done considerable research and must have taken industry and alumni feedback, before shifting to 1 year format from its 45 years old 2 year MBA format.</blockquote>
The new course is designed based on executive education-style short courses, so you'll find that it relies less on lectures and more on small group experiences and projects. The UK programs put a heavy focus on their project components, where you'll have real-world experience.

Beyond that, the bottom line is that Oxford and Cambridge grads have higher salaries than those of MBS grads. That may or may not make a difference to you, depending on where you'd like to end up after graduation. If you're not a UK or an EU national, it's a bit more difficult to get a visa in the UK post-study; but it won't be a problem in Australia.
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thanks Ralph. As per the Employment statistics on either of these 3 schools, I cant find much difference in the salaries. Oxford recruitment is bit more focused on technology/ media/ real estate where as MBS places more in core industries.

As stated earlier, I am interested in Corp Development roles in core industries post MBA. However based on my Internet and Social Media research, I cant find much MBS alumni or recruitment outsides of Australia, whereas I am interested to explore career avenues across all major business/ finance centers in Europe and Asia.

Faculty at MBS too seems to be mainly from Australia, with very few coming from Ivy colleges of US or Europe.

I feel geography comes into play here because of which MBS does not have strong ties in Asia, ME or Europe somehow and so for all these reasons has never appeared in top15-20 in any major rankings of International B Schools outside US.

Perhaps the only major advantage MBS has is comparatively easy visa norms in Australia, which actually has nothing to do with MBS !

thanks Ralph. As per the Employment statistics on either of these 3 schools, I cant find much difference in the salaries. Oxford recruitment is bit more focused on technology/ media/ real estate where as MBS places more in core industries.

As stated earlier, I am interested in Corp Development roles in core industries post MBA. However based on my Internet and Social Media research, I cant find much MBS alumni or recruitment outsides of Australia, whereas I am interested to explore career avenues across all major business/ finance centers in Europe and Asia.

Faculty at MBS too seems to be mainly from Australia, with very few coming from Ivy colleges of US or Europe.

I feel geography comes into play here because of which MBS does not have strong ties in Asia, ME or Europe somehow and so for all these reasons has never appeared in top15-20 in any major rankings of International B Schools outside US.

Perhaps the only major advantage MBS has is comparatively easy visa norms in Australia, which actually has nothing to do with MBS !
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ralph

I feel geography comes into play here because of which MBS does not have strong ties in Asia, ME or Europe somehow

Naturally - and I think this is fine, because if you want to work and settle down in a specific location, then you should really do your MBA in that place. Going to school in Australia with the goal of working in Asia or Europe doesn't sound like a logical decision to me.

Perhaps the only major advantage MBS has is comparatively easy visa norms in Australia, which actually has nothing to do with MBS !

Well, there's that - but the school does have strong ties with industry in the country - so if you wanted to work there, this would be a good choice.

<blockquote>I feel geography comes into play here because of which MBS does not have strong ties in Asia, ME or Europe somehow</blockquote>
Naturally - and I think this is fine, because if you want to work and settle down in a specific location, then you should really do your MBA in that place. Going to school in Australia with the goal of working in Asia or Europe doesn't sound like a logical decision to me.

<blockquote>Perhaps the only major advantage MBS has is comparatively easy visa norms in Australia, which actually has nothing to do with MBS !</blockquote>
Well, there's that - but the school does have strong ties with industry in the country - so if you wanted to work there, this would be a good choice.
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Sparks

I agree with Ralph. If you're considering working in Europe, I believe there is no decision to make. Oxford counts way more than MBS.

I don't know MBS, but I have studied at Oxford. It's an amazing place to be a student. The pedagogy is superb. The "Oxford experience" feels like the privilege it is. If you're not going to work in Australia, the only upside I can see to MBS is the weather!

I agree with Ralph. If you're considering working in Europe, I believe there is no decision to make. Oxford counts way more than MBS.

I don't know MBS, but I have studied at Oxford. It's an amazing place to be a student. The pedagogy is superb. The "Oxford experience" feels like the privilege it is. If you're not going to work in Australia, the only upside I can see to MBS is the weather!
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ralph

If you're not going to work in Australia, the only upside I can see to MBS is the weather!

And even that's debatable - last week it got up to 36 degrees C in Melbourne - which is pretty warm for my blood!

<blockquote> If you're not going to work in Australia, the only upside I can see to MBS is the weather!</blockquote>
And even that's debatable - last week it got up to 36 degrees C in Melbourne - which is pretty warm for my blood!
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