London Met and LSBF


Duncan
What do people think about the ban on London Metropolitain University recruiting non-EU students? Will this affect the reputation of LSBF, which is now a partner of London Met (London Met validates the main LSBF MBA programmes)?

LSBF has such little luck, the University of Wales [its previous partner] had a similar reputational crisis around the handling of international students.
What do people think about the ban on London Metropolitain University recruiting non-EU students? Will this affect the reputation of LSBF, which is now a partner of London Met (London Met validates the main LSBF MBA programmes)?

LSBF has such little luck, the University of Wales [its previous partner] had a similar reputational crisis around the handling of international students.
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ralph
Will this affect the reputation of LSBF, which is now a partner of London Met (London Met validates the main LSBF MBA programmes)?

I'm not sure they had much of a reputation, even before this happened. Maybe it will make this harder to market - but honestly, there is no shortage of low-cost UK MBA programs aimed predominately at international students who are uncompetitive at the more reputable programs.

It could be that more unaccredited* MBA programs face these kinds of inquiries - it might be better in the long run for everybody.

*Not accredited by AACSB, AMBA, or EQUIS.
<blockquote>Will this affect the reputation of LSBF, which is now a partner of London Met (London Met validates the main LSBF MBA programmes)?</blockquote>
I'm not sure they had much of a reputation, even before this happened. Maybe it will make this harder to market - but honestly, there is no shortage of low-cost UK MBA programs aimed predominately at international students who are uncompetitive at the more reputable programs.

It could be that more unaccredited* MBA programs face these kinds of inquiries - it might be better in the long run for everybody.

*Not accredited by AACSB, AMBA, or EQUIS.
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Mamit
LMU suspension is because of their internal problems and not with their association with LSBF.As far as i know LMU was under UKBA observation since last 1-2 years and they were even penalised in past.
I think ARU could be the next one.
Regards
Mamit
LMU suspension is because of their internal problems and not with their association with LSBF.As far as i know LMU was under UKBA observation since last 1-2 years and they were even penalised in past.
I think ARU could be the next one.
Regards
Mamit
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oracle
I am getting into Global MBA on Oil, gas and energy management for April 2013 intake in LSBF. They have offered me a scholarship and the total fee is reduced, however i am afraid about this LMU issue as this global MBA is not accredited from any normal bodies , it is just from LMU. Now LMU is at crisis, please help me to evaluate??
I am getting into Global MBA on Oil, gas and energy management for April 2013 intake in LSBF. They have offered me a scholarship and the total fee is reduced, however i am afraid about this LMU issue as this global MBA is not accredited from any normal bodies , it is just from LMU. Now LMU is at crisis, please help me to evaluate??
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Duncan
Yes, you will get a much better return on investment if you attend an internationally-accredited MBA. Take a look at http://www.find-mba.com/accreditations

As a for-profit school, LSBF has to control costs. Previously its MBA was accredited by the University of Wales, which went into a reputational crisis. Now it's moved to London Met, which is in a rather similar (perhaps worse) position. When a school is buying validation from another university, it faces the reality that - with the exception of a few places like the Open University - there are few high quality universities that will validate other degrees.

So, the crisis of LMU does perhaps have a small effect. It weakens the LMU brand, but then it wasn't that strong anyhow.

You will be much better off attending an accredited business schools for an MBA (if you have a few years works experience) or MSc (if you don't have work experience).
Yes, you will get a much better return on investment if you attend an internationally-accredited MBA. Take a look at http://www.find-mba.com/accreditations

As a for-profit school, LSBF has to control costs. Previously its MBA was accredited by the University of Wales, which went into a reputational crisis. Now it's moved to London Met, which is in a rather similar (perhaps worse) position. When a school is buying validation from another university, it faces the reality that - with the exception of a few places like the Open University - there are few high quality universities that will validate other degrees.

So, the crisis of LMU does perhaps have a small effect. It weakens the LMU brand, but then it wasn't that strong anyhow.

You will be much better off attending an accredited business schools for an MBA (if you have a few years works experience) or MSc (if you don't have work experience).
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oracle
Hi Duncan, thanks for replying back...Yes I agree that LSBF will be worse as i have asked few of my friends in London, they to suggest the same...can you please suggest me some good school for oil and gas or energy management in MBA for full time , one year please as I have 7 years experience in IT/ITES field and I am an engineering graduate in IT field...done GMAT a year back and got only 450:( please suggest as I am ready to take IELTS or TOEFL and enter in september 2013 intake too...
Hi Duncan, thanks for replying back...Yes I agree that LSBF will be worse as i have asked few of my friends in London, they to suggest the same...can you please suggest me some good school for oil and gas or energy management in MBA for full time , one year please as I have 7 years experience in IT/ITES field and I am an engineering graduate in IT field...done GMAT a year back and got only 450:( please suggest as I am ready to take IELTS or TOEFL and enter in september 2013 intake too...
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Duncan
There's a program search feature in the top left. Take a look at Dundee, RGU and Warwick.
There's a program search feature in the top left. Take a look at Dundee, RGU and Warwick.
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Calling LSBF online and foreign students that are ubhappy about LSBF to please email me at [email protected] and tell me your story, or post your story on talkaboutlsbf.wordpress.com. The more students tell their story the better. I am getting journalists to investigate lsbf?s practices related to online studies and handling foreign students. I am also hoping to get cost effective legal representation for foreign students who are having problems with not being able to get refunds. LSBF does not deliver on their marketing promises. Beware prospective students!
Calling LSBF online and foreign students that are ubhappy about LSBF to please email me at [email protected] and tell me your story, or post your story on talkaboutlsbf.wordpress.com. The more students tell their story the better. I am getting journalists to investigate lsbf?s practices related to online studies and handling foreign students. I am also hoping to get cost effective legal representation for foreign students who are having problems with not being able to get refunds. LSBF does not deliver on their marketing promises. Beware prospective students!
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sharneel
Wow! This is an amazing forum and proved so very useful. I just had a chat with the LSBF Online MBA advisor today who was very prompt and helpful and immediately offered me a position with a max. scholarship of £3,000. which I was quite delighted about as it knocked the fees down to £8500. Then as I started drilling down with accreditation details and reputation plus the whole association with LMet, I am reluctant now.

Can anyone advise me on a good DL MBA with minimal fees as I am not working now due to family obligations. But I have a solid experience of 11 years working for top global organisations both in UK and abroad. Warwick seems expensive and Bradford with £13500 fees are not offering scholarship. Thanks in advance guys...
Wow! This is an amazing forum and proved so very useful. I just had a chat with the LSBF Online MBA advisor today who was very prompt and helpful and immediately offered me a position with a max. scholarship of £3,000. which I was quite delighted about as it knocked the fees down to £8500. Then as I started drilling down with accreditation details and reputation plus the whole association with LMet, I am reluctant now.

Can anyone advise me on a good DL MBA with minimal fees as I am not working now due to family obligations. But I have a solid experience of 11 years working for top global organisations both in UK and abroad. Warwick seems expensive and Bradford with £13500 fees are not offering scholarship. Thanks in advance guys...
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donho199
Dont focus on fees alone. If you do that it will be the biggest mistake you will make. Think about opportunity cost, 2 or 3 years doing something not helpful.

Warwick, Bradford and Durham are a bargain. Else search for online accredited MBA in USA. We discussed them here before. University of South/North Dakota is cheaper, with AACSB accreditation and adds a whole new dimension to your experience
Dont focus on fees alone. If you do that it will be the biggest mistake you will make. Think about opportunity cost, 2 or 3 years doing something not helpful.

Warwick, Bradford and Durham are a bargain. Else search for online accredited MBA in USA. We discussed them here before. University of South/North Dakota is cheaper, with AACSB accreditation and adds a whole new dimension to your experience
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Mamit
Wow! This is an amazing forum and proved so very useful. I just had a chat with the LSBF Online MBA advisor today who was very prompt and helpful and immediately offered me a position with a max. scholarship of £3,000. which I was quite delighted about as it knocked the fees down to £8500. Then as I started drilling down with accreditation details and reputation plus the whole association with LMet, I am reluctant now.

Can anyone advise me on a good DL MBA with minimal fees as I am not working now due to family obligations. But I have a solid experience of 11 years working for top global organisations both in UK and abroad. Warwick seems expensive and Bradford with £13500 fees are not offering scholarship. Thanks in advance guys...

Being an Alumni I can try speaking to Bradford and see if i can get you some scholarships. Do you already have offer from Bradford or you have to make you application ?
<blockquote>Wow! This is an amazing forum and proved so very useful. I just had a chat with the LSBF Online MBA advisor today who was very prompt and helpful and immediately offered me a position with a max. scholarship of £3,000. which I was quite delighted about as it knocked the fees down to £8500. Then as I started drilling down with accreditation details and reputation plus the whole association with LMet, I am reluctant now.

Can anyone advise me on a good DL MBA with minimal fees as I am not working now due to family obligations. But I have a solid experience of 11 years working for top global organisations both in UK and abroad. Warwick seems expensive and Bradford with £13500 fees are not offering scholarship. Thanks in advance guys...</blockquote>
Being an Alumni I can try speaking to Bradford and see if i can get you some scholarships. Do you already have offer from Bradford or you have to make you application ?
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sharneel
Wow! This is an amazing forum and proved so very useful. I just had a chat with the LSBF Online MBA advisor today who was very prompt and helpful and immediately offered me a position with a max. scholarship of £3,000. which I was quite delighted about as it knocked the fees down to £8500. Then as I started drilling down with accreditation details and reputation plus the whole association with LMet, I am reluctant now.

Can anyone advise me on a good DL MBA with minimal fees as I am not working now due to family obligations. But I have a solid experience of 11 years working for top global organisations both in UK and abroad. Warwick seems expensive and Bradford with £13500 fees are not offering scholarship. Thanks in advance guys...

Being an Alumni I can try speaking to Bradford and see if i can get you some scholarships. Do you already have offer from Bradford or you have to make you application ?


Really!! Can you do that??? That would be excellent. No I have not yet appoached them. Will speak to them today and see how it pans out. Will keep in touch and thank you :)
<blockquote><blockquote>Wow! This is an amazing forum and proved so very useful. I just had a chat with the LSBF Online MBA advisor today who was very prompt and helpful and immediately offered me a position with a max. scholarship of £3,000. which I was quite delighted about as it knocked the fees down to £8500. Then as I started drilling down with accreditation details and reputation plus the whole association with LMet, I am reluctant now.

Can anyone advise me on a good DL MBA with minimal fees as I am not working now due to family obligations. But I have a solid experience of 11 years working for top global organisations both in UK and abroad. Warwick seems expensive and Bradford with £13500 fees are not offering scholarship. Thanks in advance guys...</blockquote>
Being an Alumni I can try speaking to Bradford and see if i can get you some scholarships. Do you already have offer from Bradford or you have to make you application ?</blockquote>

Really!! Can you do that??? That would be excellent. No I have not yet appoached them. Will speak to them today and see how it pans out. Will keep in touch and thank you :)
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sharneel
This is for all those who are considering LSBF as I was even until yesterday before I changed my mind. Some of the questions I asked are as below with the responses from my personal advisor for DL MBA:

1. Does LSBF MBA have any international recognition or Accreditation like AMBA?

Ans: Our Online MBA doesn?t have the AMBA Accreditation, but we are accredited by the BAC (British Accreditation Council).

2. The MBA is awarded by LSBF itself? Or is there any partner university that awards the certificate?

Ans: The programme is offered by LSBF through InterActive but will be awarded by the London Metropolitan University, as it has to go through the validation process before gaining all its value as a Master?s in the job market.

3. How is London Metropolitan University connected with LSBF? Read an article about LMU on how the Govt withdrew some of the student visas due to the university not recording the students' attendance properly. How does this affect the LSBF?

Ans: This doesn?t affect LSBF at all and we still have our HTS status for campus programmes. This in no way affects the Online MBA either as the programme remains of NQF level 7, which the UK standard master?s degree.

4. With an online course, will I still be able to access facilities like the library or campus visits like all FULL TIME students (with the exception of attending lectures of course)?

Ans: You will be able to use the resources on the LMET campus like the Library and Gym. You will get a student card for same.

5. Kindly can you tell me a bit about GGSB? Can that be done online?

The GGSB MBA is a triple accredited programme which can be done on campus only. Some semesters will be run on our London Campus and the remaining has to be completed on the GGSB campus in Grenoble, Belgium. The cost of the programme is around £15k excluding living expenses in Grenoble.


Hope this helps all the potential candidates for LSBF. As for myself, although a significant reduction on fees due to scholarship they are awarding, I am still in two minds and venturing my options with Durham/Warwick/Bradford
This is for all those who are considering LSBF as I was even until yesterday before I changed my mind. Some of the questions I asked are as below with the responses from my personal advisor for DL MBA:

1. Does LSBF MBA have any international recognition or Accreditation like AMBA?

Ans: Our Online MBA doesn?t have the AMBA Accreditation, but we are accredited by the BAC (British Accreditation Council).

2. The MBA is awarded by LSBF itself? Or is there any partner university that awards the certificate?

Ans: The programme is offered by LSBF through InterActive but will be awarded by the London Metropolitan University, as it has to go through the validation process before gaining all its value as a Master?s in the job market.

3. How is London Metropolitan University connected with LSBF? Read an article about LMU on how the Govt withdrew some of the student visas due to the university not recording the students' attendance properly. How does this affect the LSBF?

Ans: This doesn?t affect LSBF at all and we still have our HTS status for campus programmes. This in no way affects the Online MBA either as the programme remains of NQF level 7, which the UK standard master?s degree.

4. With an online course, will I still be able to access facilities like the library or campus visits like all FULL TIME students (with the exception of attending lectures of course)?

Ans: You will be able to use the resources on the LMET campus like the Library and Gym. You will get a student card for same.

5. Kindly can you tell me a bit about GGSB? Can that be done online?

The GGSB MBA is a triple accredited programme which can be done on campus only. Some semesters will be run on our London Campus and the remaining has to be completed on the GGSB campus in Grenoble, Belgium. The cost of the programme is around £15k excluding living expenses in Grenoble.


Hope this helps all the potential candidates for LSBF. As for myself, although a significant reduction on fees due to scholarship they are awarding, I am still in two minds and venturing my options with Durham/Warwick/Bradford

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donho199
Grenoble is not in Belgium, it is in France.

Before you make a decision, i suggest you contact Duncan for his consultancy.
Grenoble is not in Belgium, it is in France.

Before you make a decision, i suggest you contact Duncan for his consultancy.
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maubia
Have you really paid a consultant for such questions?
Have you really paid a consultant for such questions?
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donho199
We all pay for things we wont be able to do ourselves?
We all pay for things we wont be able to do ourselves?
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Duncan
The BAC is not a meaningful accreditation body. It is the traditional accreditation body for non-degree, private sector distance learning in the UK. Maybe 1% of its members are universities, and those are totally marginal.

The grenoble MBA is two years, so the cost is £23,750 for overseas students at LSBF, compared to 21,682 at Grenoble (where the quality of students, teachers and everything else will be better).

Mamit is giving this candidate great advice.
The BAC is not a meaningful accreditation body. It is the traditional accreditation body for non-degree, private sector distance learning in the UK. Maybe 1% of its members are universities, and those are totally marginal.

The grenoble MBA is two years, so the cost is £23,750 for overseas students at LSBF, compared to 21,682 at Grenoble (where the quality of students, teachers and everything else will be better).

Mamit is giving this candidate great advice.
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sharneel
Have you really paid a consultant for such questions?


Lol.. why would I pay anyone for an admission to MBA?? And what?? They actually have a "consultant" for this.. Lol. No dear.. this is the response from an advisor from LSBF, she has been assigned to handle my admission and enquiries for MBA in LSBF. I kinda knew all the answers but sometimes its good to hear the counter arguments for the negative aspects from the party itself rather than relying on 3rd party observations. I have posted these here as I noticed many were considering LSBF and it may guide them as well.
<blockquote>Have you really paid a consultant for such questions?</blockquote>

Lol.. why would I pay anyone for an admission to MBA?? And what?? They actually have a "consultant" for this.. Lol. No dear.. this is the response from an advisor from LSBF, she has been assigned to handle my admission and enquiries for MBA in LSBF. I kinda knew all the answers but sometimes its good to hear the counter arguments for the negative aspects from the party itself rather than relying on 3rd party observations. I have posted these here as I noticed many were considering LSBF and it may guide them as well.
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sharneel
Grenoble is not in Belgium, it is in France.

Before you make a decision, i suggest you contact Duncan for his consultancy.

Thanks dear.. Duncan has been very helpful so far and i can see he still hasn't given up yet :)
<blockquote>Grenoble is not in Belgium, it is in France.

Before you make a decision, i suggest you contact Duncan for his consultancy.
</blockquote>
Thanks dear.. Duncan has been very helpful so far and i can see he still hasn't given up yet :)
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sharneel
The BAC is not a meaningful accreditation body. It is the traditional accreditation body for non-degree, private sector distance learning in the UK. Maybe 1% of its members are universities, and those are totally marginal.

The grenoble MBA is two years, so the cost is £23,750 for overseas students at LSBF, compared to 21,682 at Grenoble (where the quality of students, teachers and everything else will be better).

Mamit is giving this candidate great advice.


Great!! Thats the exact response I wanted Duncan. I went to BAC website and didn't fully understand their accreditation on MBA!! Your answer has hit the nail on its head! Basically it doesn't mean too much for an MBA.

Shame she said Grenoble is in Belgium.. I think everyone knows its in France! Then again that showed me her competence in dealing with an admission enquiry.

Thanx Duncan for your contribution in this thread. Yes Mamit is helping me.
<blockquote>The BAC is not a meaningful accreditation body. It is the traditional accreditation body for non-degree, private sector distance learning in the UK. Maybe 1% of its members are universities, and those are totally marginal.

The grenoble MBA is two years, so the cost is £23,750 for overseas students at LSBF, compared to 21,682 at Grenoble (where the quality of students, teachers and everything else will be better).

Mamit is giving this candidate great advice.</blockquote>

Great!! Thats the exact response I wanted Duncan. I went to BAC website and didn't fully understand their accreditation on MBA!! Your answer has hit the nail on its head! Basically it doesn't mean too much for an MBA.

Shame she said Grenoble is in Belgium.. I think everyone knows its in France! Then again that showed me her competence in dealing with an admission enquiry.

Thanx Duncan for your contribution in this thread. Yes Mamit is helping me.
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