Best criteria for choosing business school urgent


Baskad
Hello Duncan and everyone.

I would like to ask for your advice.

What is best citeria to choose between business school ranking and overall university ranking (well known of university)?

I have just read the book from consulting education company. It said that we should choose university from its reputation rather than business school ranking because ranking is rapidly changing every year and the reputation of university will be with you forever.

At first I choose Cranfield because its ranking from FT , QS,bloomberg and forbes ranking. However, the book which pulished around 5 years ago said that we should select from its well known. (At that time Cranfield ranking was a bit higher than Imperial , the book suggest that we should select Imperial.( however my case is different because I did not apply from imperial but my choice is between Cranfield and Reading,Durham andExerter.) Inaddition, some of my friend dont know about Cranfield.

On the other hand some of my freind said that people in the industry (banking) will know about its reputation. They said that they known that Cranfield is well known for MBA and Finance.

Regarding to my case , I have already paid deposit for Cranfield but I am very confuse that is right decision. In my case I got offer from Reading, Exerter, Durham. Course structure cranfield is the best and many business school ranking (QS,FT,Bloomberg,The economist and Forbes) Cranfield is impressed me.( highest from my offer from every ranking.)

I am from Thailand which the other three universities might be more well known and have more alumni, so I really worry and confuse.

Ps my course is MSC finance based on my mind I would choose cranfield but I am very confuse.

Thank you for your advice in advance.

[Edited by Baskad on May 13, 2018]

Hello Duncan and everyone.

I would like to ask for your advice.

What is best citeria to choose between business school ranking and overall university ranking (well known of university)?

I have just read the book from consulting education company. It said that we should choose university from its reputation rather than business school ranking because ranking is rapidly changing every year and the reputation of university will be with you forever.

At first I choose Cranfield because its ranking from FT , QS,bloomberg and forbes ranking. However, the book which pulished around 5 years ago said that we should select from its well known. (At that time Cranfield ranking was a bit higher than Imperial , the book suggest that we should select Imperial.( however my case is different because I did not apply from imperial but my choice is between Cranfield and Reading,Durham andExerter.) Inaddition, some of my friend dont know about Cranfield.

On the other hand some of my freind said that people in the industry (banking) will know about its reputation. They said that they known that Cranfield is well known for MBA and Finance.

Regarding to my case , I have already paid deposit for Cranfield but I am very confuse that is right decision. In my case I got offer from Reading, Exerter, Durham. Course structure cranfield is the best and many business school ranking (QS,FT,Bloomberg,The economist and Forbes) Cranfield is impressed me.( highest from my offer from every ranking.)

I am from Thailand which the other three universities might be more well known and have more alumni, so I really worry and confuse.

Ps my course is MSC finance based on my mind I would choose cranfield but I am very confuse.

Thank you for your advice in advance.
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Duncan
Well, I get their point but that's ridiculous. Durham, Loughborough and Bath are great examples. By any measure, these are among our top dozen universities (https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?). Compare them to City, which is one of our not so great universities. City's business school has been consistently better than Durham, Bath or Loughborough's for more than a generation, and it will be for decades more. Cass MIFs earn 35% more upon graduating than Durham's and probably double Bath's and Loughborough's. It would be bizzare to turn down Cranfield or Cass in order to attend an inferior MIF at a generally-better university. The same logic would have you turn down EDHEC or ESCP in order to attend Glasgow or Bath.

PS Just tweaked the examples to make them more MIF specific

[Edited by Duncan on May 16, 2018]

Well, I get their point but that's ridiculous. Durham, Loughborough and Bath are great examples. By any measure, these are among our top dozen universities (https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?). Compare them to City, which is one of our not so great universities. City's business school has been consistently better than Durham, Bath or Loughborough's for more than a generation, and it will be for decades more. Cass MIFs earn 35% more upon graduating than Durham's and probably double Bath's and Loughborough's. It would be bizzare to turn down Cranfield or Cass in order to attend an inferior MIF at a generally-better university. The same logic would have you turn down EDHEC or ESCP in order to attend Glasgow or Bath.

PS Just tweaked the examples to make them more MIF specific
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Baskad
Ok I see thank you so much again. Just confused between my choice.
Ok I see thank you so much again. Just confused between my choice.
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Cranfield and Durham have the best-ranked MiM programs, according to the FT. What are your goals?
Cranfield and Durham have the best-ranked MiM programs, according to the FT. What are your goals?
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Baskad
Cranfield and Durham have the best-ranked MiM programs, according to the FT. What are your goals?


Thank you .My course is MIF not MIM. My goal is working in asset management company or investment bank.
[quote]Cranfield and Durham have the best-ranked MiM programs, according to the FT. What are your goals?[/quote]

Thank you .My course is MIF not MIM. My goal is working in asset management company or investment bank.
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Duncan
I think the choice is even easier for the MiF. Use the salary and % increase to calculate what the students were earning before: the Cranfield cohort is more highly skilled on the way in, and gets much better results (and 100% employment).
I think the choice is even easier for the MiF. Use the salary and % increase to calculate what the students were earning before: the Cranfield cohort is more highly skilled on the way in, and gets much better results (and 100% employment).
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Baskad
I think the choice is even easier for the MiF. Use the salary and % increase to calculate what the students were earning before: the Cranfield cohort is more highly skilled on the way in, and gets much better results (and 100% employment).



Thank you so much. I would choose Cranfield.

Do you know which areas Cranfield specialize ? For example , M&A, asset management, risk management, PE.

I heart that Imperial is known for quantitative finance. Reading is known for investment management. I try to search for information but I cannot find it.
[quote]I think the choice is even easier for the MiF. Use the salary and % increase to calculate what the students were earning before: the Cranfield cohort is more highly skilled on the way in, and gets much better results (and 100% employment). [/quote]


Thank you so much. I would choose Cranfield.

Do you know which areas Cranfield specialize ? For example , M&A, asset management, risk management, PE.

I heart that Imperial is known for quantitative finance. Reading is known for investment management. I try to search for information but I cannot find it.
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Duncan
I think large, highly-ranked schools like these are very good at most things, and even things are not well known for. Cranfield has quant finance gurus like Sunil Poshakwale and risk management experts like Yacine Belghitar. You can search the alumni base to see if the alumni base is especially thick in some areas, but as schools I really think they are all good enough.
I think large, highly-ranked schools like these are very good at most things, and even things are not well known for. Cranfield has quant finance gurus like Sunil Poshakwale and risk management experts like Yacine Belghitar. You can search the alumni base to see if the alumni base is especially thick in some areas, but as schools I really think they are all good enough.
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Baskad
I think large, highly-ranked schools like these are very good at most things, and even things are not well known for. Cranfield has quant finance gurus like Sunil Poshakwale and risk management experts like Yacine Belghitar. You can search the alumni base to see if the alumni base is especially thick in some areas, but as schools I really think they are all good enough.



Thank you so much. After I search their alumni globally who did MIF at Cranfield. There are many people who work as investment bank or M&A at consulting company which I impressed but not many work in asset management company or risk management.

In my country, there are only a few alumni who did Mif at Cranfield which around twelve persons.

Have you ever directly experience work or study at Cranfield?

I wonder why they accept student with 2.2 grade eventhough they have high ranking. As a result of hightly ranked school , they should have higher deman from students. So,they should have more choice to select student with higher profile.

[Edited by Baskad on May 17, 2018]

[quote]I think large, highly-ranked schools like these are very good at most things, and even things are not well known for. Cranfield has quant finance gurus like Sunil Poshakwale and risk management experts like Yacine Belghitar. You can search the alumni base to see if the alumni base is especially thick in some areas, but as schools I really think they are all good enough. [/quote]


Thank you so much. After I search their alumni globally who did MIF at Cranfield. There are many people who work as investment bank or M&A at consulting company which I impressed but not many work in asset management company or risk management.

In my country, there are only a few alumni who did Mif at Cranfield which around twelve persons.

Have you ever directly experience work or study at Cranfield?

I wonder why they accept student with 2.2 grade eventhough they have high ranking. As a result of hightly ranked school , they should have higher deman from students. So,they should have more choice to select student with higher profile.
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Duncan
I interviewed there when considering PhD options and took an exec ed course these a long time ago, but you can see that they are looking at a wide range of criteria and not only the degree.
I interviewed there when considering PhD options and took an exec ed course these a long time ago, but you can see that they are looking at a wide range of criteria and not only the degree.
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Baskad
I interviewed there when considering PhD options and took an exec ed course these a long time ago, but you can see that they are looking at a wide range of criteria and not only the degree.



Thank you so much for your advice.
[quote]I interviewed there when considering PhD options and took an exec ed course these a long time ago, but you can see that they are looking at a wide range of criteria and not only the degree. [/quote]


Thank you so much for your advice.
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Duncan
Speaking personally, I got a below average mark in my BA, but that did not stop me from entering the MSc at City, the MBA at LBS or the PhD at Edinburgh. Employers in Europe need people with soft skills, the right attitude and not just good grades.
Speaking personally, I got a below average mark in my BA, but that did not stop me from entering the MSc at City, the MBA at LBS or the PhD at Edinburgh. Employers in Europe need people with soft skills, the right attitude and not just good grades.
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Baskad
Speaking personally, I got a below average mark in my BA, but that did not stop me from entering the MSc at City, the MBA at LBS or the PhD at Edinburgh. Employers in Europe need people with soft skills, the right attitude and not just good grades.



Thank you so much again Duncan. Now I am happy to study MIF at Cranfield school of management. :)

[Edited by Baskad on May 17, 2018]

[quote]Speaking personally, I got a below average mark in my BA, but that did not stop me from entering the MSc at City, the MBA at LBS or the PhD at Edinburgh. Employers in Europe need people with soft skills, the right attitude and not just good grades. [/quote]


Thank you so much again Duncan. Now I am happy to study MIF at Cranfield school of management. :)
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Duncan
One more observation: Cranfield obviously has a smaller alumni base than many other schools because it is the UK's graduate-only university. and its MSc in Finance and Management is newer than some of the other MiF degrees. It also has a strength that is also a weakness: it is a MSc in Finance **and Management**. Because of Cranfield's more extensive four-term structure, the students have a more extensive curriculum. Like the well-ranked ranked schools (Cambridge, ESCP, Imperial, LBS, Oxford, Warwick) where students often have some prior work experience in finance, Cranfield has better international mobility, employment and salary, than Lancaster and Cass (even though those two schools are higher ranked). Henley and Durham are weaker on all three.

PS Having lived in Reading, I would certainly consider Henley as an alternative to Cranfield if there was some crucial elective that was only offered there.Unlike Cass or Lancaster, Henley's employment level is okay.

[Edited by Duncan on May 18, 2018]

One more observation: Cranfield obviously has a smaller alumni base than many other schools because it is the UK's graduate-only university. and its MSc in Finance and Management is newer than some of the other MiF degrees. It also has a strength that is also a weakness: it is a MSc in Finance **and Management**. Because of Cranfield's more extensive four-term structure, the students have a more extensive curriculum. Like the well-ranked ranked schools (Cambridge, ESCP, Imperial, LBS, Oxford, Warwick) where students often have some prior work experience in finance, Cranfield has better international mobility, employment and salary, than Lancaster and Cass (even though those two schools are higher ranked). Henley and Durham are weaker on all three.

PS Having lived in Reading, I would certainly consider Henley as an alternative to Cranfield if there was some crucial elective that was only offered there.Unlike Cass or Lancaster, Henley's employment level is okay.
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