low gmat score


sally

where did you see their "preferred score" published? Typically they won't say what their "preferred score" score is, rather they just publish the average scores from the previous year.

Also, according to their guidelines, a GMAT score is not even required for admittance. So, if it's that bad, why not just not submit the score to them? Or did you already?

where did you see their "preferred score" published? Typically they won't say what their "preferred score" score is, rather they just publish the average scores from the previous year.

Also, according to their guidelines, a GMAT score is not even required for admittance. So, if it's that bad, why not just not submit the score to them? Or did you already?
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robinsaha

Hi

I have increased my score from a 410 to a 530 on the GMAT & a 111/120 on the TOEFL iBT. I have 3 years of work ex and a first class in my engineering. Do I stand a chance with a good B school? What range on the FT list do I follow? Would HULT be a good choice since my location is Dubai, where one of their extensions are located?

Regards

Robin

Hi

I have increased my score from a 410 to a 530 on the GMAT & a 111/120 on the TOEFL iBT. I have 3 years of work ex and a first class in my engineering. Do I stand a chance with a good B school? What range on the FT list do I follow? Would HULT be a good choice since my location is Dubai, where one of their extensions are located?

Regards

Robin
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sally

It looks like Businessweek hasn't profiled Hult since 2004. But, at the time, the median GMAT they accepted was 550. That has probably gone up since then, since all of the business schools are becoming more competitive. But, you would probably still have a shot if you're application is good. Here is the Businessweek profile in 2004: http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/04/full_time_profiles/hultintl.htm

You'd probably have a better chance at schools on the bottom quarter of the Financial Times ranking. The schools closer to the top of the list usually want at least a 600. And, of course, there are plenty of good quality programs that don't make the "top 100" list.

It looks like Businessweek hasn't profiled Hult since 2004. But, at the time, the median GMAT they accepted was 550. That has probably gone up since then, since all of the business schools are becoming more competitive. But, you would probably still have a shot if you're application is good. Here is the Businessweek profile in 2004: http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/04/full_time_profiles/hultintl.htm

You'd probably have a better chance at schools on the bottom quarter of the Financial Times ranking. The schools closer to the top of the list usually want at least a 600. And, of course, there are plenty of good quality programs that don't make the "top 100" list.
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MHR

hi guys , i have red most of the posts , and i got surprised cuz in order to have the master in business i have to have at least 3 years of experiance in the field of business !!
i thought i can pursue my education welling to have the master where my undergraduate certificates is information technolgy and i have 7 years of experiance but not in business !! it was in electric !! sound funny right !!
is there any way to have the MBA for me ?? where my GPA is 3.33 out of 4 ? and 3.5 in specialist courses
how about Master of science in marketing will they accept me?
just give me an advice
pls help if you could

hi guys , i have red most of the posts , and i got surprised cuz in order to have the master in business i have to have at least 3 years of experiance in the field of business !!
i thought i can pursue my education welling to have the master where my undergraduate certificates is information technolgy and i have 7 years of experiance but not in business !! it was in electric !! sound funny right !!
is there any way to have the MBA for me ?? where my GPA is 3.33 out of 4 ? and 3.5 in specialist courses
how about Master of science in marketing will they accept me?
just give me an advice
pls help if you could
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D.jung

it is not true that in order to get accepted to an MBA you need to have former business schooling - actually, an MBA is something you can apply to with any kind of first degree. you will have to give some good reasons why you are interested in an MBA(in the interview and essays), and off course you will need to explain how your work experience is relevant(electricity is also a business, no?). and a high GMAT score always helps of course......

it is not true that in order to get accepted to an MBA you need to have former business schooling - actually, an MBA is something you can apply to with any kind of first degree. you will have to give some good reasons why you are interested in an MBA(in the interview and essays), and off course you will need to explain how your work experience is relevant(electricity is also a business, no?). and a high GMAT score always helps of course......
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sally

MHR --

I don't understand what you're asking. Do you want to do a master in marketing, an MBA or something else?

For an MBA, any professional experience will do, since it is a general management degree. For a specialized field, like marketing, it might help to have marketing experience, but it depends on the program.

Find some programs that you're interested in and then find out what the requirements are.

MHR --

I don't understand what you're asking. Do you want to do a master in marketing, an MBA or something else?

For an MBA, any professional experience will do, since it is a general management degree. For a specialized field, like marketing, it might help to have marketing experience, but it depends on the program.

Find some programs that you're interested in and then find out what the requirements are.

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MHR

thanx sally ,

actually am seeking to have master in marketing field ,
MBA concentrated in marketing in particular,that requiring low or no Gmat test at any flexible university in U.S.
i was working as electric technitian for about 7 years.
my concern is about the experiance area , will they accept my years of experiance even if its not in mangment or marketing fields >? so Gmat could be waived ! or it has nothing to do with experiance area !/? only experiance
what do u mean by MBA program? do u mean full time or part time, EMBA ?! cuz am looking for full time MBA at the campus not online

thanx sally ,

actually am seeking to have master in marketing field ,
MBA concentrated in marketing in particular,that requiring low or no Gmat test at any flexible university in U.S.
i was working as electric technitian for about 7 years.
my concern is about the experiance area , will they accept my years of experiance even if its not in mangment or marketing fields >? so Gmat could be waived ! or it has nothing to do with experiance area !/? only experiance
what do u mean by MBA program? do u mean full time or part time, EMBA ?! cuz am looking for full time MBA at the campus not online


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sally

your experience is probably sufficient. But most schools require the GMAT regardless of how much experience you have. Some schools require higher GMAT scores than others. You should look at the average ranges of scores published on businessweek.com school profiles.

Some schools will admit students with a high undergraduate GPAs without the GMAT. But these are usually less selective programs.

When I said "MBA", I was referring to any regular full-time MBA program.

your experience is probably sufficient. But most schools require the GMAT regardless of how much experience you have. Some schools require higher GMAT scores than others. You should look at the average ranges of scores published on businessweek.com school profiles.

Some schools will admit students with a high undergraduate GPAs without the GMAT. But these are usually less selective programs.

When I said "MBA", I was referring to any regular full-time MBA program.
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D.jung

I would take GMAT if i where you - it will help to get you into a better program and would be a good investment...... most schools that are taking students without GMAT are not really worth the trouble.

I would take GMAT if i where you - it will help to get you into a better program and would be a good investment...... most schools that are taking students without GMAT are not really worth the trouble.
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sally

There are some legit programs out there that don't require GMAT. Of course, none of these programs have high brand recognition. But, for example, this school has a good local reputation where I live:
http://www.bw.edu/academics/bus/programs/mba/admit/

They don't require GMAT if you have a 3.4 GPA or higher.

It depends on what your goals are. I wouldn't go to Baldwin Wallace unless you wouldn't mind starting your career at a local company in Ohio. For some people, especially those that already live here, that's their goal. But if you want to work for a big finance or consulting firm, it probably wouldn't be your best bet..

There are some legit programs out there that don't require GMAT. Of course, none of these programs have high brand recognition. But, for example, this school has a good local reputation where I live:
http://www.bw.edu/academics/bus/programs/mba/admit/

They don't require GMAT if you have a 3.4 GPA or higher.

It depends on what your goals are. I wouldn't go to Baldwin Wallace unless you wouldn't mind starting your career at a local company in Ohio. For some people, especially those that already live here, that's their goal. But if you want to work for a big finance or consulting firm, it probably wouldn't be your best bet..
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MHR

am totally agree with you regarding the goals , and thanks DJUNG as well, definitely i'll go with Gmat , for great job , more opportunities will be open for me , but i just wanted to take advantage of the scholarship which has been given to me and not waste it ,
after 6 months from now , they (sponsor) are requiring from me to bring them an admission in MBA-marketing concentration , if i did not make it < scholarship will be cancelled . Consequently am going to work on Gmat and do high score, if i fail to reach the required , well then i'll have the other option which for example the Baldwin-Wallace College..
by the way sally thank you so much for helping me , i was so glad when i opened the college site to make sure of the GPA , but sadly there was no marketing concentration :(
i dont know if they do have it in the college but not updated in their site !! could you make sure of them as long as you in same town . or i 'll call'em tomorrow

check this out http://www.bw.edu/academics/bus/programs/
MBA with 7 concentrations

keep it coming , god bless you

am totally agree with you regarding the goals , and thanks DJUNG as well, definitely i'll go with Gmat , for great job , more opportunities will be open for me , but i just wanted to take advantage of the scholarship which has been given to me and not waste it ,
after 6 months from now , they (sponsor) are requiring from me to bring them an admission in MBA-marketing concentration , if i did not make it < scholarship will be cancelled . Consequently am going to work on Gmat and do high score, if i fail to reach the required , well then i'll have the other option which for example the Baldwin-Wallace College..
by the way sally thank you so much for helping me , i was so glad when i opened the college site to make sure of the GPA , but sadly there was no marketing concentration :(
i dont know if they do have it in the college but not updated in their site !! could you make sure of them as long as you in same town . or i 'll call'em tomorrow

check this out http://www.bw.edu/academics/bus/programs/
MBA with 7 concentrations

keep it coming , god bless you
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MHR

i called them , :-( no marketing at all

i tryed to google for
"GMAT is waived for applicants with a cumulative undergraduate grade point average of ...."

ended up with no result, i need such colleges

i called them , :-( no marketing at all

i tryed to google for
"GMAT is waived for applicants with a cumulative undergraduate grade point average of ...."

ended up with no result, i need such colleges
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sally

Another program in Ohio that I've researched is Cleveland State University's Nance College of Business. They actually have a really nice campus and facilities... and their admission criteria is not too tough.

They require that you take the GMAT or GRE, but will except a low score as long as you have a good GPA and enroll in remedial classes once you get there. If you have a good reason why you can't take it, maybe you could work something out with them. They do have a specialization in Marketing:

http://www.engagenance.com/page.php?pi=64

Also, here's a video about the college: http://engagecsu.com/slideshow_visit/5minutevisit.html
It's aimed at undergraduates.. but gives you an idea what the campus is like.

Another program in Ohio that I've researched is Cleveland State University's Nance College of Business. They actually have a really nice campus and facilities... and their admission criteria is not too tough.

They require that you take the GMAT or GRE, but will except a low score as long as you have a good GPA and enroll in remedial classes once you get there. If you have a good reason why you can't take it, maybe you could work something out with them. They do have a specialization in Marketing:

http://www.engagenance.com/page.php?pi=64

Also, here's a video about the college: http://engagecsu.com/slideshow_visit/5minutevisit.html
It's aimed at undergraduates.. but gives you an idea what the campus is like.
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sally

I actually just google searched the terms "GMAT" and "waiver" and quite a few things came up.. including this which lists several schools that have waivers for the GMAT:

http://admissionsync.com/2009/01/27/business-programs-with-a-gmat-waiver/

Some of those schools want a lot of work experience, though. Good luck!

I actually just google searched the terms "GMAT" and "waiver" and quite a few things came up.. including this which lists several schools that have waivers for the GMAT:

http://admissionsync.com/2009/01/27/business-programs-with-a-gmat-waiver/

Some of those schools want a lot of work experience, though. Good luck!
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lapino

Hi all,
I am an MBA student at HULT at the London Campus.
Regardless to a low or high GMAT score, the program requires verbal and analytical skills that you cannot overcome without a decent GMAT score. Even if the school got you in the program with a low GMAT score, believe me you will suffer and you might not continue!!!.. My advise is to retake the GMAT 2-3-4 times as much as you can. it is a matter of practice.
On the other hand in my opinion and what I see in class nowadays, someone with 2-3 years of experience in an MBA class will feel like he/she doesn't belong to the environment. It is a management program at the end of the day targeted to people with MANAGEMENT experience. Some people have v good GMAT with 2-3 years of experience and getting A in some courses but believe me when they give a comment in class, it will show that they know nothing about managing people, projects...
After graduation, these people will get a job in a junior position and will be enrolled in a learning program before getting into a senior level (that might take 4-5 years sometimes). The good thing about some of British schools is that they don't take people without management experience on their MBA.
If this what you are looking for than take an MBA at an early stage and if you felt that it was easy to get into any MBA school, remember that you might be kicked out in case you didn't pass successfully all the program (after paying all the tuition in the 2 weeks).
Hope that can help and please consider that all was my personal opinion.

Hi all,
I am an MBA student at HULT at the London Campus.
Regardless to a low or high GMAT score, the program requires verbal and analytical skills that you cannot overcome without a decent GMAT score. Even if the school got you in the program with a low GMAT score, believe me you will suffer and you might not continue!!!.. My advise is to retake the GMAT 2-3-4 times as much as you can. it is a matter of practice.
On the other hand in my opinion and what I see in class nowadays, someone with 2-3 years of experience in an MBA class will feel like he/she doesn't belong to the environment. It is a management program at the end of the day targeted to people with MANAGEMENT experience. Some people have v good GMAT with 2-3 years of experience and getting A in some courses but believe me when they give a comment in class, it will show that they know nothing about managing people, projects...
After graduation, these people will get a job in a junior position and will be enrolled in a learning program before getting into a senior level (that might take 4-5 years sometimes). The good thing about some of British schools is that they don't take people without management experience on their MBA.
If this what you are looking for than take an MBA at an early stage and if you felt that it was easy to get into any MBA school, remember that you might be kicked out in case you didn't pass successfully all the program (after paying all the tuition in the 2 weeks).
Hope that can help and please consider that all was my personal opinion.
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mimis

Dear Lapino

1 ) Do you have anyone whose previous work experience was not managerial in your programme? i am asking because an MBA is supposed to be a programme that is open to people from various backgrounds, not only ''management''. At least that is what bschools proclaim at their websites.

if yes, what do they do there?

I mean, considering your statement to be true,they cannot gain anything from the programme nor contribute.I have heard of engineers or IT people or professors that have taken an MBA ,people that never managed other people....what where they doing there?Were the schools only interested in taking their money while they knew they could not contribute/gain anything?

2 ) Also,do you really think that by retaking the GMAT will help anyone to do better in courses that require quantitative skills? I personally think that all you have to do in GMAT is understand how to handle the GMAT,it does not improve your analytical capabilities...all i am saying is that for example if i am no good in ''geometry'' even with my 700 gmat i still won't be good at it.

3 ) If i was a recruiter i would definitely try to train my staff before trusting them a management position,either junior or senior......except if lets say you where in a shiping company pre MBA as well as post MBA (meaning the same industry and job function)

I would really like your feedback because your point of view is important (you are currently doing what i want to do next year :) )

Dear Lapino

1 ) Do you have anyone whose previous work experience was not managerial in your programme? i am asking because an MBA is supposed to be a programme that is open to people from various backgrounds, not only ''management''. At least that is what bschools proclaim at their websites.

if yes, what do they do there?

I mean, considering your statement to be true,they cannot gain anything from the programme nor contribute.I have heard of engineers or IT people or professors that have taken an MBA ,people that never managed other people....what where they doing there?Were the schools only interested in taking their money while they knew they could not contribute/gain anything?

2 ) Also,do you really think that by retaking the GMAT will help anyone to do better in courses that require quantitative skills? I personally think that all you have to do in GMAT is understand how to handle the GMAT,it does not improve your analytical capabilities...all i am saying is that for example if i am no good in ''geometry'' even with my 700 gmat i still won't be good at it.

3 ) If i was a recruiter i would definitely try to train my staff before trusting them a management position,either junior or senior......except if lets say you where in a shiping company pre MBA as well as post MBA (meaning the same industry and job function)

I would really like your feedback because your point of view is important (you are currently doing what i want to do next year :) )
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lapino

Thanks for your reply.
Definitely there are people who were not from a management background but here I am talking about people who were never been into a management task let us say. Managing your time, managing a client relationship, managing a project (or part of it) is not always by managing others. The MBA program is diverse in terms of backgrounds, experience, geography.... you will find people from all ages (25-50), from different industries (real estate, engineering, IT, Health care, management, consulting....)
Regarding the GMAT, I agree with you that not a GMAT will give the skills needed to enrol in an MBA program but it is known that this test will give the basics on both verbal and analytical (common ground). I agree with you that this is not the GMAT that will measure anyone?s abilities to apply for an MBA but believe me some people don?t know how to differentiate a second degree equation and professors won?t have the time to go over basic things again.
As per the last point, I also agree with you but the training period will be different from someone who got the MBA at a junior level and someone who is getting it at a mid career to senior level. During the program the young one will feel more conformable studying and preparing the courses but when it comes to real life during the projects, presentations and the business simulations, it feels that there is a big gap missing.
Again all this is my own opinion; please do whatever you feel best for your academic, experience, financial and personal situation that is definitely different from every other applicant.
All the best.

Dear Lapino

1 ) Do you have anyone whose previous work experience was not managerial in your programme? i am asking because an MBA is supposed to be a programme that is open to people from various backgrounds, not only ''management''. At least that is what bschools proclaim at their websites.

if yes, what do they do there?

I mean, considering your statement to be true,they cannot gain anything from the programme nor contribute.I have heard of engineers or IT people or professors that have taken an MBA ,people that never managed other people....what where they doing there?Were the schools only interested in taking their money while they knew they could not contribute/gain anything?

2 ) Also,do you really think that by retaking the GMAT will help anyone to do better in courses that require quantitative skills? I personally think that all you have to do in GMAT is understand how to handle the GMAT,it does not improve your analytical capabilities...all i am saying is that for example if i am no good in ''geometry'' even with my 700 gmat i still won't be good at it.

3 ) If i was a recruiter i would definitely try to train my staff before trusting them a management position,either junior or senior......except if lets say you where in a shiping company pre MBA as well as post MBA (meaning the same industry and job function)

I would really like your feedback because your point of view is important (you are currently doing what i want to do next year :) )

Thanks for your reply.
Definitely there are people who were not from a management background but here I am talking about people who were never been into a management task let us say. Managing your time, managing a client relationship, managing a project (or part of it) is not always by managing others. The MBA program is diverse in terms of backgrounds, experience, geography.... you will find people from all ages (25-50), from different industries (real estate, engineering, IT, Health care, management, consulting....)
Regarding the GMAT, I agree with you that not a GMAT will give the skills needed to enrol in an MBA program but it is known that this test will give the basics on both verbal and analytical (common ground). I agree with you that this is not the GMAT that will measure anyone?s abilities to apply for an MBA but believe me some people don?t know how to differentiate a second degree equation and professors won?t have the time to go over basic things again.
As per the last point, I also agree with you but the training period will be different from someone who got the MBA at a junior level and someone who is getting it at a mid career to senior level. During the program the young one will feel more conformable studying and preparing the courses but when it comes to real life during the projects, presentations and the business simulations, it feels that there is a big gap missing.
Again all this is my own opinion; please do whatever you feel best for your academic, experience, financial and personal situation that is definitely different from every other applicant.
All the best.

<blockquote>Dear Lapino

1 ) Do you have anyone whose previous work experience was not managerial in your programme? i am asking because an MBA is supposed to be a programme that is open to people from various backgrounds, not only ''management''. At least that is what bschools proclaim at their websites.

if yes, what do they do there?

I mean, considering your statement to be true,they cannot gain anything from the programme nor contribute.I have heard of engineers or IT people or professors that have taken an MBA ,people that never managed other people....what where they doing there?Were the schools only interested in taking their money while they knew they could not contribute/gain anything?

2 ) Also,do you really think that by retaking the GMAT will help anyone to do better in courses that require quantitative skills? I personally think that all you have to do in GMAT is understand how to handle the GMAT,it does not improve your analytical capabilities...all i am saying is that for example if i am no good in ''geometry'' even with my 700 gmat i still won't be good at it.

3 ) If i was a recruiter i would definitely try to train my staff before trusting them a management position,either junior or senior......except if lets say you where in a shiping company pre MBA as well as post MBA (meaning the same industry and job function)

I would really like your feedback because your point of view is important (you are currently doing what i want to do next year :) )</blockquote>
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sally

Lapino, you said "he program requires verbal and analytical skills that you cannot overcome without a decent GMAT score. "

I think what you mean is.. if, even after practice, you can't get a decent GMAT score, you will probably have trouble succeeding in an MBA program. Also, if you are not *willing* to practice in order to get a good score.. you will also probably have trouble. GMAT really measures your work ethic more than anything, I think. Anyone who works hard enough can score well (providing their English skills are good).

However, I agree with mimis that you don't neccessarily need to have experience manging people or projects to succeed in b-school. You just need a strong desire to learn how. Learning management skills, after all, is the point of the MBA program.

Lapino, you said "he program requires verbal and analytical skills that you cannot overcome without a decent GMAT score. "

I think what you mean is.. if, even after practice, you can't get a decent GMAT score, you will probably have trouble succeeding in an MBA program. Also, if you are not *willing* to practice in order to get a good score.. you will also probably have trouble. GMAT really measures your work ethic more than anything, I think. Anyone who works hard enough can score well (providing their English skills are good).

However, I agree with mimis that you don't neccessarily need to have experience manging people or projects to succeed in b-school. You just need a strong desire to learn how. Learning management skills, after all, is the point of the MBA program.
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mimis

well first of all, we are just sharing our arguments here,nothing more,there is no correct formula in getting into a bschool or succeding during the MBA.i just like to know how people who are already in the position that i would like to be think...

i guess we all agree about the gmat issue...

To tell you the truth lapino, i have not met many people in my life that were never taught (even in high school) that kind of math,because for someone that went to school and then to university and then to work,it is only normal to socialize mainly with people that have done these kind of things...so,it seems bizzare to think about it.What's more,noone from the people that i know- that were never taught these things,or don't know how to manage their time/theirselves- really wanted to pursue an MBA,so these people that you know of must be really optimistic-courageous-hard working......

I agree with you that for the younger ones ''homework'' must be easier but ''presentations'' harder -and vice versa for the older ones- but that's what's interesting about the MBA...mixing things up...of course that is the opinion that i have NOW-pre MBA.....

And what you say about the training period is only normal,that is why i think prospective students must always see the ''range'' in the profile class of every bschool....younger grads will get less money.....

well first of all, we are just sharing our arguments here,nothing more,there is no correct formula in getting into a bschool or succeding during the MBA.i just like to know how people who are already in the position that i would like to be think...

i guess we all agree about the gmat issue...

To tell you the truth lapino, i have not met many people in my life that were never taught (even in high school) that kind of math,because for someone that went to school and then to university and then to work,it is only normal to socialize mainly with people that have done these kind of things...so,it seems bizzare to think about it.What's more,noone from the people that i know- that were never taught these things,or don't know how to manage their time/theirselves- really wanted to pursue an MBA,so these people that you know of must be really optimistic-courageous-hard working......

I agree with you that for the younger ones ''homework'' must be easier but ''presentations'' harder -and vice versa for the older ones- but that's what's interesting about the MBA...mixing things up...of course that is the opinion that i have NOW-pre MBA.....

And what you say about the training period is only normal,that is why i think prospective students must always see the ''range'' in the profile class of every bschool....younger grads will get less money.....




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