MBA SELECTION/CAREER PROGRESSION


abhi2710s

Agree, so basically learning the German is paramount. To summarize it doesn't matter what university you join as long as you have a good German and the skills to get the job?

Agree, so basically learning the German is paramount. To summarize it doesn't matter what university you join as long as you have a good German and the skills to get the job?
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abhi2710s

Also what are your views on MBA from University of Saarland. I just received a response from the university stating that my profile meets the eligibility.

Also what are your views on MBA from University of Saarland. I just received a response from the university stating that my profile meets the eligibility.
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Duncan

Saarbrücken seems like a great option for someone who wants to return to their own country. It doesn't meet your needs for reasons already discussed. See: Best MBAs for international students' placement http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143 and 
Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713

Saarbrücken seems like a great option for someone who wants to return to their own country. It doesn't meet your needs for reasons already discussed. See: Best MBAs for international students' placement&nbsp;http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143 and&nbsp;<div>
</div><div>Do you need to speak the local language?&nbsp;www.find-mba.com/board/34713</div>
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abhi2710s

Ok Duncan. Much appreciate the time put in replying to queries. Thank you!

Ok Duncan. Much appreciate the time put in replying to queries. Thank you!
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Duncan

I don't agree with this stance:

it doesn't matter what university you join as long as you have a good German and the skills to get the job?


A better school is better than a worse school. However, if you don't have the language skills to work in German or the acculturation to work in the DACH region smoothly, then your options are limited. In that situation, fixing the language and culture gap in Germany creates more opportunities than taking an MBA in an English-speaking bubble. 

I don't agree with this stance:<br><br>[quote]it doesn't matter what university you join as long as you have a good German and the skills to get the job? [/quote]<br><br>A better school is better than a worse school. However, if you don't have the language skills to work in German or the acculturation to work in the DACH region smoothly, then your options are limited. In that situation, fixing the language and culture gap in Germany creates more opportunities than taking an MBA in an English-speaking bubble.&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

In that case any of the top MBAs will also not help much...whatever be the quality of their education language and culture are completely different things.

In that case any of the top MBAs will also not help much...whatever be the quality of their education language and culture are completely different things.
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Duncan

The top German MBAs are great if: you speak German; you want to return to your own country; or you want to return to work in the back-office of an investment bank. 

The top German MBAs are great if: you speak German; you want to return to your own country; or you want to return to work in the back-office of an investment bank.&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

If one can speak good German than the other Not so great MBAs will also work?

If one can speak good German than the other Not so great MBAs will also work?
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abhi2710s

The top German MBAs are great if: you speak German; you want to return to your own country; or you want to return to work in the back-office of an investment bank. 
Top Germany MBAs are not really popular in India and not valued much. US, UK, and baring HEC, INSEAD not many really know about other MBAs.

[quote]The top German MBAs are great if: you speak German; you want to return to your own country; or you want to return to work in the back-office of an investment bank.&nbsp; [/quote] Top Germany MBAs are not really popular in India and not valued much. US, UK, and baring HEC, INSEAD not many really know about other MBAs.
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Duncan

Indian schools are much better at preparing people to work in Indian organisations. I think the right approach here is of the SDA Bocconi Asia Centre, which has reengineered their European approach for the Indian market. 

Indian schools are much better at preparing people to work in Indian organisations. I think the right approach here is of the SDA Bocconi Asia Centre, which has reengineered their European approach for the Indian market.&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

In India highly valued ones are old IIMs, ISB and 5 other private ones. Indian schools don't provide international exposure and many who want international exposure end up doing their second MBA in US/UK.

In India highly valued ones are old IIMs, ISB and 5 other private ones. Indian schools don't provide international exposure and many who want international exposure end up doing their second MBA in US/UK.
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Hi Abhi, 

As Duncan mentioned you need to have German B1\B2 level which helps you to work in Germany during your study and afterwards.

Tier -1 or Top ones are Mannheim, FSFM, ESMT, WHU, HHL,  
Tier- 2 ones : ESB, EBS, Munich Business School. 
Decent ones : HFU (From the Program Delivery wise),CBS, Saarland. 

IGC (I'm not sure)

I think other schools are not doing great when it comes to MBA level Program Delivery as well as the outcome.

For MSc Management Programs, there are great schools like LMU, TUM and few others. 


Regards  

 

Hi Abhi,&nbsp;<br><br>As Duncan mentioned you need to have German B1\B2 level which helps you to work in Germany during your study and afterwards.<br><br>Tier -1 or Top ones are&nbsp;Mannheim, FSFM, ESMT, WHU, HHL,&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>Tier- 2 ones : ESB, EBS, Munich Business School.&nbsp;<br>Decent ones : HFU (From the Program Delivery wise),CBS, Saarland.&nbsp;<br><br>IGC (I'm not sure)<br><br>I think other schools are not doing great when it comes to MBA level Program Delivery as well as the outcome.<br><br>For MSc Management Programs, there are great schools like LMU, TUM and few others.&nbsp;<br><br><br>Regards&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>&nbsp;
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Ridhima05

Hi Duncan,

What kind of visa is required to study a semester in France at FLE university. If I want to study for 6 months language course before starting my MSc as per your advice. Also, what would be the total expense for a month at cities like Lille or Lyon?

Hi Duncan,<br><br>What kind of visa is required to study a semester in France at FLE university. If I want to study for 6 months language course before starting my MSc as per your advice. Also, what would be the total expense for a month at cities like Lille or Lyon?
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Duncan

I think you can research this yourself but if you need help take a look at my profile page to see how to hire me. 

I think you can research this yourself but if you need help take a look at my profile page to see how to hire me.&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

Hi Duncan, why do you think MBA from EBS Business school is not a good fit for someone not speaking German at native level? I can find a lot of profile on linkedIn many of the gradutes are working in reputed organization at Business/Non business roles. Including those graduted in as recent as 2020. 

Hi Duncan, why do you think MBA from EBS Business school is not a good&nbsp;fit for someone not speaking German at native level? I can find a lot of profile on linkedIn many of the gradutes are working in reputed organization at Business/Non business roles. Including those graduted in as recent as 2020.&nbsp;
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Duncan

Are you also looking for people who do not have those outcomes?

Are you also looking for people who do not have those outcomes?
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abhi2710s

87% are working in Europe is not it a good figure?

87% are working in Europe is not it a good figure?
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Duncan

I doubt that 87% of non-EU, non-German speaking, full-time MBA alumni from EBS are working in Germany in MBA level roles. Do you have an employment report? 

I doubt that 87% of non-EU, non-German speaking, full-time MBA alumni from EBS are working in Germany in MBA level roles. Do you have an employment report?&nbsp;
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Duncan

I just reviewed the LinkedIn profiles of 26 EBS MBAs with prior education in India. 10 show their location as Germany. Of those, many are studying at EBS. Among the others, the first is self-employed, working in Riga; the second seems to have no work; the third is in an internship, and so on. These are not great outcomes for someone looking for an MBA-level role in Germany. The best outcome I could find is Fiayazuddin Mohammed, who has a functional procurement role.

[Edited by Duncan on Feb 06, 2022]

I just reviewed the LinkedIn profiles of 26 EBS MBAs with prior education in India. 10 show their location as Germany. Of those, many are studying at EBS. Among the others, the first is self-employed, working in Riga; the second seems to have no work; the third is in an internship, and so on. These are not great outcomes for someone looking for an MBA-level role in Germany. The best outcome I could find is Fiayazuddin Mohammed, who has a functional procurement role.<br>
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abhi2710s

Hi Duncan. I did the same search in the search bar wrote "EBS MBA" hit search. Of the results I select 'people' and use the filter of 'school' and select EBS Universität für Wirtschaft und Recht. Now I see the result page
Now on the first result page there are 10 result most are still studying. On the next page I find other 10 results now I see some profiles on this page. I find that Anand Rajan (London) Rahul Singhal, Akshay K. Sandeep Asok, Nikita Hotwani are Indians working in Germany at good roles. The other guy say Pratik Gupta and Harsimran Singh are working in India. The kind of role Pratik Gupta is doing is worth it and one can give away the location for this. Shrikant Heerekar's profile is vague Staying and working in India and studying in Germany must be doing a part time MBA. All in all out of 7 profiles 4 are working in Germany (5 in Europe).

[Edited by abhi2710s on Feb 06, 2022]

Hi Duncan. I did the same search in the search bar wrote "EBS MBA" hit search. Of the results I select 'people' and use the filter of 'school' and select EBS Universität für Wirtschaft und Recht. Now I see the result page<br>Now on the first result page there are 10 result most are still studying. On the next page I find other 10 results now I see some profiles on this page. I find that Anand Rajan (London) Rahul Singhal, Akshay K. Sandeep Asok, Nikita Hotwani are Indians working in Germany at good roles. The other guy say Pratik Gupta and Harsimran Singh are working in India. The kind of role Pratik Gupta is doing is worth it and one can give away the location for this. Shrikant Heerekar's profile is vague Staying and working in India and studying in Germany must be doing a part time MBA. All in all out of 7 profiles 4 are working in Germany (5 in Europe).
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