MBA SELECTION/CAREER PROGRESSION


abhi2710s

Hi respected members and mentors hope all are keeping safe from COVID.

 I have applied to some MBA programs (Winter-22) all are non GMAT English taught ones. Kindly throw some light on my MBA rational and thought process of career progression.


1). Experience 7.5 Years

2). Industries worked: FMCG (3 .5 years) and Pharmaceutical (4 years)

3). Current Industry: Pharmaceutical

4). Domain: Change management/Continuous Improvement /Operational Excellence/ Six sigma.


I have not planned to take GMAT as I did not want to go for a high cost MBA (already paying a home loan) another loan of a higher amount wont be feasible. The only program that suits my budget for an accredited MBA is the GISMA but I wonder how it fetched this reputed accreditation.

I got admit from IGC MBA European Asian Management.

 Other Programs I applied are


1). MSc International Business - HWR Berlin

2). Frutwangen- MBA International Buss. Schwenningen

3). HTW Berlin - MBA&E

4). Kempten Univ - IBM & Leadership

5). Offenberg - MBA IBC


Also applied for some programs asking for GMAT Optionally. Another option will be to apply to HOF University after getting my A1 certificate Please let me know what institutes I should go so that I can find job in my domain based on location. I plan to utilize next 7 months in India for learning German upto A2/B1 level and then during the study in Germany Upto B2/C1 level. I can not reach Germany before Sept-22.


Goal: To get International (German) exposure on Digitization/Digital Manufacturing / Project Management/Operations Management. My currnet job is not in the field I did my graduation so looking forward to gain theoretical understanding of the management concepts through a Masters. Wish to continue to work in Germany or return may be after 8-10 years with another MBA from (IIM/ISB).

[Edited by abhi2710s on Jan 16, 2022]

Hi respected members and mentors hope all are keeping safe from COVID.<br><br>&nbsp;I have applied to some MBA programs (Winter-22) all are non GMAT English taught ones. Kindly throw some light on my MBA rational and thought process of career progression.<br><br>
1). Experience 7.5 Years<br>
2). Industries worked: FMCG (3 .5 years) and Pharmaceutical (4 years)<br>
3). Current Industry: Pharmaceutical<br>
4). Domain: Change management/Continuous Improvement /Operational Excellence/ Six sigma.<br><br>
I have not planned to take GMAT as I did not want to go for a high cost MBA (already paying a home loan) another loan of a higher amount wont be feasible. The only program that suits my budget for an accredited MBA is the GISMA but I wonder how it fetched this reputed accreditation.<br><br>I got admit from IGC MBA European Asian Management.<br><br>&nbsp;Other Programs I applied are<br><br>
1). MSc International Business - HWR Berlin<br>
2). Frutwangen- MBA International Buss. Schwenningen<br>
3). HTW Berlin - MBA&amp;E<br>
4). Kempten Univ - IBM &amp; Leadership<br>
5). Offenberg - MBA IBC<br><br>
Also applied for some programs asking for GMAT Optionally. Another option will be to apply to HOF University after getting my A1 certificate Please let me know what institutes I should go so that I can find job in my domain based on location. I plan to utilize next 7 months in India for learning German upto A2/B1 level and then during the study in Germany Upto B2/C1 level. I can not reach Germany before Sept-22.<br><br>
Goal: To get International (German) exposure on Digitization/Digital Manufacturing / Project Management/Operations Management. My currnet job is not in the field I did my graduation so looking forward to gain theoretical understanding of the management concepts through a Masters. Wish to continue to work in Germany or return may be after 8-10 years with another MBA from (IIM/ISB).
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abhi2710s

Hi respected members and mentors hope all are keeping safe from COVID.

 I have applied to some MBA programs (Winter-22) all are non GMAT English taught ones. Kindly throw some light on my MBA rational and thought process of career progression.


1). Experience 7.5 Years

2). Industries worked: FMCG (3 .5 years) and Pharmaceutical (4 years)

3). Current Industry: Pharmaceutical

4). Domain: Change management/Continuous Improvement /Operational Excellence/ Six sigma.


I have not planned to take GMAT as I did not want to go for a high cost MBA (already paying a home loan) another loan of a higher amount wont be feasible. The only program that suits my budget for an accredited MBA is the GISMA but I wonder how it fetched this reputed accreditation.

I got admit from IGC MBA European Asian Management.

 Other Programs I applied are


1). MSc International Business - HWR Berlin

2). Frutwangen- MBA International Buss. Schwenningen

3). HTW Berlin - MBA&E

4). Kempten Univ - IBM & Leadership

5). Offenberg - MBA IBC


Also applied for some programs asking for GMAT Optionally. Another option will be to apply to HOF University after getting my A1 certificate Please let me know what institutes I should go so that I can find job in my domain based on location. I plan to utilize next 7 months in India for learning German upto A2/B1 level and then during the study in Germany Upto B2/C1 level. I can not reach Germany before Sept-22.


Goal: To get International (German) exposure on Digitization/Digital Manufacturing / Project Management/Operations Management. My currnet job is not in the field I did my graduation so looking forward to gain theoretical understanding of the management concepts through a Masters. Wish to continue to work in Germany or return may be after 8-10 years with another MBA from (IIM/ISB).


Hi Duncan and other members any thoughts please?

[quote]Hi respected members and mentors hope all are keeping safe from COVID.<br><br>&nbsp;I have applied to some MBA programs (Winter-22) all are non GMAT English taught ones. Kindly throw some light on my MBA rational and thought process of career progression.<br><br>
1). Experience 7.5 Years<br>
2). Industries worked: FMCG (3 .5 years) and Pharmaceutical (4 years)<br>
3). Current Industry: Pharmaceutical<br>
4). Domain: Change management/Continuous Improvement /Operational Excellence/ Six sigma.<br><br>
I have not planned to take GMAT as I did not want to go for a high cost MBA (already paying a home loan) another loan of a higher amount wont be feasible. The only program that suits my budget for an accredited MBA is the GISMA but I wonder how it fetched this reputed accreditation.<br><br>I got admit from IGC MBA European Asian Management.<br><br>&nbsp;Other Programs I applied are<br><br>
1). MSc International Business - HWR Berlin<br>
2). Frutwangen- MBA International Buss. Schwenningen<br>
3). HTW Berlin - MBA&amp;E<br>
4). Kempten Univ - IBM &amp; Leadership<br>
5). Offenberg - MBA IBC<br><br>
Also applied for some programs asking for GMAT Optionally. Another option will be to apply to HOF University after getting my A1 certificate Please let me know what institutes I should go so that I can find job in my domain based on location. I plan to utilize next 7 months in India for learning German upto A2/B1 level and then during the study in Germany Upto B2/C1 level. I can not reach Germany before Sept-22.<br><br>
Goal: To get International (German) exposure on Digitization/Digital Manufacturing / Project Management/Operations Management. My currnet job is not in the field I did my graduation so looking forward to gain theoretical understanding of the management concepts through a Masters. Wish to continue to work in Germany or return may be after 8-10 years with another MBA from (IIM/ISB). [/quote]<br><br>Hi Duncan and other members any thoughts please?
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Duncan

These are not great programmes at all. Why not take a German language course and the  a free MSc taught in German? 

These are not great programmes at all. Why not take a German language course and the&nbsp; a free MSc taught in German?&nbsp;
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Duncan

See: https://find-mba.com/board/gmat/why-you-should-take-the-gmat-33542 

[Edited by Duncan on Jan 16, 2022]

See: https://find-mba.com/board/gmat/why-you-should-take-the-gmat-33542&nbsp;
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Duncan

Also: Best MBAs for international students' placement http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143 
Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713 

Also: Best MBAs for international students' placement&nbsp;http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143&nbsp;<div>
</div><div>Do you need to speak the local language?&nbsp;www.find-mba.com/board/34713&nbsp;</div>
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abhi2710s

Also: Best MBAs for international students' placement http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143 
Do you need to speak the local language? www.find-mba.com/board/34713 


Thanks for your response Duncan, I have seen your similar responses on other posts. Thanks for taking the time to repost them.

In your view who these non-accredited MBAs are for? Why do you think the German government is wasting money on these programs as all these are subsidized programs and also the cost of accreditation like AQAS etc. There must be some reason behind it what is your view on this?

[quote]Also: Best MBAs for international students' placement&nbsp;http://www.find-mba.com/board/41143&nbsp;<div>
</div><div>Do you need to speak the local language?&nbsp;www.find-mba.com/board/34713&nbsp;</div> [/quote]<br><br>Thanks for your response Duncan, I have seen your similar responses on other posts. Thanks for taking the time to repost them.<br><br>In your view who these non-accredited MBAs are for? Why do you think the German government is wasting money on these programs as all these are subsidized programs and also the cost of accreditation like AQAS etc. There must be some reason behind it what is your view on this?<br><br>
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Duncan

The German government does not control higher education. That's funded by the individual states. I think the fees paid by international students are generally higher than the marginal cost. 

The German government does not control higher education. That's funded by the individual states. I think the fees paid by international students are generally higher than the marginal cost.&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

The German government does not control higher education. That's funded by the individual states. I think the fees paid by international students are generally higher than the marginal cost. 


So, does that mean these MBAs are basically for creating employment for German Phds? And for states it is just another way to generate income?

[quote]The German government does not control higher education. That's funded by the individual states. I think the fees paid by international students are generally higher than the marginal cost.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>So, does that mean these MBAs are basically for creating employment for German Phds? And for states it is just another way to generate income?
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Duncan

At the state level, they don't care. The UAS have a lot of freedom, and it helps them to have more courses where local students can speak English with foreigners. 

At the state level, they don't care. The UAS have a lot of freedom, and it helps them to have more courses where local students can speak English with foreigners.&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

At the state level, they don't care. The UAS have a lot of freedom, and it helps them to have more courses where local students can speak English with foreigners. 


How does it help Germany as a whole?

[quote]At the state level, they don't care. The UAS have a lot of freedom, and it helps them to have more courses where local students can speak English with foreigners.&nbsp; [/quote]<br><br>How does it help Germany as a whole?
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Duncan

Germany as a whole doesn't have an opinion on these courses. But they help the UAS by generating a financial contribution,  employing staff, helping German staff and students with acculturation, bringing revenue to localities etc. 

Germany as a whole doesn't have an opinion on these courses. But they help the UAS by generating a financial contribution,&nbsp; employing staff, helping German staff and students with&nbsp;acculturation, bringing revenue to localities etc.&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

Ok Duncan. Just to mention again I am very tight on budget and I am not eligible for another higher amount loan for highly priced MBAs. Also I can't get a Visa for language course.

Help me prioritize the MBAs I mentioned previously. Also what is your view of CBS and RWTH MBA?

Ok Duncan. Just to mention again I am very tight on budget and I am not eligible for another higher amount loan for highly priced MBAs. Also I can't get a Visa for language course.<br><br>Help me prioritize the MBAs I mentioned previously. Also what is your view of CBS and RWTH MBA?
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Duncan

As you might gather from the post on learning the language, I am unconvinced that you will get to the language standards you describe by the time you hope. I am not an expert in visas, but there are visa for people taking language courses. See https://www.studying-in-germany.org/german-student-visa/  My recommendation is that people in your position apply for an MSc taught in German and on that basis attend a language course leading to the DSH at a language school linked to the university you apply to. 

CBS and RWTH offer good degrees for people with other plans, who want to return to their home country. But to work in Germany, I don't think these are effective options for you. 

As you might gather from the post on learning the language, I am unconvinced that you will get to the language standards you describe by the time you hope. I am not an expert in visas, but there are visa for people taking language courses. See https://www.studying-in-germany.org/german-student-visa/&nbsp; My recommendation is that people in your position apply for an MSc taught in German and on that basis attend a language course leading to the DSH at a language school linked to the university you apply to.&nbsp;<br><br>CBS and RWTH offer good degrees for people with other plans, who want to return to their home country. But to work in Germany, I don't think these are effective options for you.&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

Right, actually while searching on LinkedIn I cannot find a good number of Indians employed in Germany after these programs. The only program which I am able to see with Indians employeed in Germany are HTW - MBAE and HWR MSc.

I will re-think on taking the courses that I have applied for. Also do you think if I learn a good level of german there is going to be a need for Masters degree to find a job in Germany? since, I already have a good experience of about 8 years.

Thanks for all your time Duncan.

Right, actually while searching on LinkedIn I cannot find a good number of Indians employed in Germany after these programs. The only program which I am able to see with Indians employeed in Germany are HTW - MBAE and HWR MSc.<br><br>I will re-think on taking the courses that I have applied for. Also do you think if I learn a good level of german there is going to be a need for Masters degree to find a job in Germany? since, I already have a good experience of about 8 years.<br><br>Thanks for all your time Duncan.
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Duncan

A high level of professional German is more important than a German degree, but the degree makes the visa so much easier. I'm sure it's the case in your country, if I arrived speaking German rather than the languages used in the workplace. 

A high level of professional German is more important than a German degree, but the degree makes the visa so much easier. I'm sure it's the case in your country, if I arrived speaking German rather than the languages used in the workplace.&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

Agree. There are hardly any 1 year German MSc programs for people with non-business related Bachelors. Even after learning German the competition for these program is going to be tough.

Agree. There are hardly any 1 year German MSc programs for people with non-business related Bachelors. Even after learning German the competition for these program is going to be tough.
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Duncan

Given the choice between a short course that doesn't meet your goal and a long one that does, then the long one is better. There are certainly more four-semester MSc options than there are 2- or 3-semester options, and it's laborious to find them. However, it's easier to enter some German-speaking degrees because they actively welcome foreign talent into the classroom: the foreign students add a lot, especially at schools that don't have a lot of English-language degrees. I'm not recommending it, but for example someone I know did this three-semester program: https://www.hs-harz.de/business-consulting-ma and that worked well for them. 

[Edited by Duncan on Jan 17, 2022]

Given the choice between a short course that doesn't meet your goal and a long one that does, then the long one is better. There are certainly more four-semester MSc options than there are 2- or 3-semester options, and it's laborious to find them. However, it's easier to enter some German-speaking degrees because they actively welcome foreign talent into the classroom: the foreign students add a lot, especially at schools that don't have a lot of English-language degrees. I'm not recommending it, but for example someone I know did this three-semester program: https://www.hs-harz.de/business-consulting-ma and that worked well for them.&nbsp;
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Duncan

The other thing to mention are that there are many more options these days for part-time study in German, including online studies. Again, not a recommendation but I belive that some schools like HOM and the Euro-HF offer online degrees in both English and German. e.g https://www.fom.de/international/incoming-students/international-study-programmes.html 

The other thing to mention are that there are many more options these days for part-time study in German, including online studies. Again, not a recommendation but I belive that some schools like HOM and the Euro-HF offer online degrees in both English and German. e.g https://www.fom.de/international/incoming-students/international-study-programmes.html&nbsp;
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abhi2710s

Duncan, these MSc programs or either the online ones are missing something called peer learning and the diversity of cohort. I believe that this aspect of peer to peer learning is better in the MBAs even the ones I mentioned previously as the batch/cohort is usually more diverse.

According to the Furtwangen (HFU) International Business Management MBA website the average experience is 4.5 years which is not the case with MSc programs.

[Edited by abhi2710s on Jan 17, 2022]

Duncan, these MSc programs or either the online ones are missing something called peer learning and the diversity of cohort. I believe that this aspect of peer to peer learning is better in the MBAs even the ones I mentioned previously as the batch/cohort is usually more diverse.<br><br>According to the Furtwangen (HFU) International Business Management MBA website the average experience is 4.5 years which is not the case with MSc programs.
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Duncan

These MBA programmes in English are missing something called developing the capacity to work managerially in the German language. I believe that the ability to work in German fluidly is more important than diversity in the cohort. 

These MBA programmes in English are missing something called developing the capacity to work managerially in the German language. I believe that the ability to work in German fluidly is more important than diversity in the cohort.&nbsp;
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