MBA or MSc Management


batty
Hi all,

I am a computer engineer, currently working with a very big marketing and advertizing company. I work in the IT department. i have been woring for 1.5 yrs now.

i have started preparing for my gmat and as far i have only got 600 in my mocks, will write my actual gmat in april.

i am very desperate to start my education as i know that i do not want to follow the IT path.

Now my ques is weather i should apply to top rank colleges in europe for MSc management this year or should i wait more to get into good MBA schools. I am sure with this much little exp. i cannot get a very good MBA school.
Hi all,

I am a computer engineer, currently working with a very big marketing and advertizing company. I work in the IT department. i have been woring for 1.5 yrs now.

i have started preparing for my gmat and as far i have only got 600 in my mocks, will write my actual gmat in april.

i am very desperate to start my education as i know that i do not want to follow the IT path.

Now my ques is weather i should apply to top rank colleges in europe for MSc management this year or should i wait more to get into good MBA schools. I am sure with this much little exp. i cannot get a very good MBA school.



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Duncan
Are you planning to start in 2012? If so, then your only serious choice is an MSc, and for that you are a little late. If you waited an extra year, when you'd have three years on arrival into the 2013 class, then you'd have a much better chance. Take your GMAT in August or September, and then you can apply early for the very best chance of admissions.
Are you planning to start in 2012? If so, then your only serious choice is an MSc, and for that you are a little late. If you waited an extra year, when you'd have three years on arrival into the 2013 class, then you'd have a much better chance. Take your GMAT in August or September, and then you can apply early for the very best chance of admissions.

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batty
i am planing to apply for jan. session 2013. i will be applying to LBS, HEC paris and EMLYON.
i have gone through the LSE MSc management website and i like the program very much. specially the internship part.

what are the chances of securing a seat in college like LSE.considering my academics are very average.

thanks,
Betty
i am planing to apply for jan. session 2013. i will be applying to LBS, HEC paris and EMLYON.
i have gone through the LSE MSc management website and i like the program very much. specially the internship part.

what are the chances of securing a seat in college like LSE.considering my academics are very average.

thanks,
Betty
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Duncan
Most candidates do not get accepted so the odds are poor. You must Maximise your GMAT score and apply early to multiple schools. Does any of those schools admit MSc students in January? I thought they all had September starts.
Most candidates do not get accepted so the odds are poor. You must Maximise your GMAT score and apply early to multiple schools. Does any of those schools admit MSc students in January? I thought they all had September starts.
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batty
yes, they do not have any intakes in JAN. and also the available seats at LSE turned to "limited availability' on 16'th march, for the MSc management program.

Duncan i think i should concentrate on my gmat right now and apply in 2013 fall session for MBA, that ways i will have option for US and UK.

Please tell me Duncan if i am thinking in the right direction.

thanks and regards,
batty
yes, they do not have any intakes in JAN. and also the available seats at LSE turned to "limited availability' on 16'th march, for the MSc management program.

Duncan i think i should concentrate on my gmat right now and apply in 2013 fall session for MBA, that ways i will have option for US and UK.

Please tell me Duncan if i am thinking in the right direction.

thanks and regards,
batty
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Duncan
Yes, I think that's right. focus on improving your GMAT and application quality for an solid second- or third- tier MBA. You will be seeing deadline for applications on the websites; those are not the start dates.

Here are some strong US schools with lower work experience requirements:
Texas A&M University--College Station (Mays) (TX)
University of Wisconsin--Madison (WI)
University of Texas--Dallas (TX)
University of Minnesota--Twin Cities (Carlson) (MN)
Michigan State University (Broad) (MI)
Brigham Young University (Marriott) (UT)
University of Iowa (Tippie) (IA)
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) (MO)
Pennsylvania State University--University Park (Smeal)
Baylor University (Hankamer) (TX)
Yes, I think that's right. focus on improving your GMAT and application quality for an solid second- or third- tier MBA. You will be seeing deadline for applications on the websites; those are not the start dates.

Here are some strong US schools with lower work experience requirements:
Texas A&M University--College Station (Mays) (TX)
University of Wisconsin--Madison (WI)
University of Texas--Dallas (TX)
University of Minnesota--Twin Cities (Carlson) (MN)
Michigan State University (Broad) (MI)
Brigham Young University (Marriott) (UT)
University of Iowa (Tippie) (IA)
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) (MO)
Pennsylvania State University--University Park (Smeal)
Baylor University (Hankamer) (TX)
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batty
Thank you Duncan, much help.

Now i am able to conclude that next year i will be old to apply for MSc management prog.

one more thing Duncan, since mba is an expensive prog as compared with the Msc management prog. is it worth doing it form second or third tire uni.

thanks and regards,
batty
Thank you Duncan, much help.

Now i am able to conclude that next year i will be old to apply for MSc management prog.

one more thing Duncan, since mba is an expensive prog as compared with the Msc management prog. is it worth doing it form second or third tire uni.

thanks and regards,
batty
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Duncan
Well, if you work really hard, then you can get a great GMAT and get into a top-tier school. The average salaries for MBA graduates at the schools I listed above are around 85,000 USD -- that is a good salary and better than the MSc programmes at the top European schools. If you can get into a top-20 US school then thay would be great, but that will be hard with so little work experience.
Well, if you work really hard, then you can get a great GMAT and get into a top-tier school. The average salaries for MBA graduates at the schools I listed above are around 85,000 USD -- that is a good salary and better than the MSc programmes at the top European schools. If you can get into a top-20 US school then thay would be great, but that will be hard with so little work experience.
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mazumder
I have offer letter from lancaster (msc management) and aston(msc management).
waiting for nottingham(msc management) and strathclyde (msc international management).
I am totally confused what to choose and where to go.
lancaster and aston take students from all background but nottingham and strathclyde take only business and management student. I being a commerce student, is it worth going to lancaster or aston or should i go for notts or straths.
Both lancaster and aston are giving a wide range of course content. 14 modules. but it will start from scratch and i don't know how much advance level the subjects will deal with. On the other hand notts & straths are giving advance modules only but the content is very less. No operation, HR management, different marketing modules etc.

is lancaster and aston msc management a conversion course?

Please help. I am very Confused
I have offer letter from lancaster (msc management) and aston(msc management).
waiting for nottingham(msc management) and strathclyde (msc international management).
I am totally confused what to choose and where to go.
lancaster and aston take students from all background but nottingham and strathclyde take only business and management student. I being a commerce student, is it worth going to lancaster or aston or should i go for notts or straths.
Both lancaster and aston are giving a wide range of course content. 14 modules. but it will start from scratch and i don't know how much advance level the subjects will deal with. On the other hand notts & straths are giving advance modules only but the content is very less. No operation, HR management, different marketing modules etc.

is lancaster and aston msc management a conversion course?

Please help. I am very Confused
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Duncan
Focus on your career goals. What do you want to do afterwards?

If you have a degree in commerce then is there much point taking a porgramme at Aston or Lancaster which will repeat what you already know?

The Strathclyde programme looks good. The Nottingham programme seems rather academic.
Focus on your career goals. What do you want to do afterwards?

If you have a degree in commerce then is there much point taking a porgramme at Aston or Lancaster which will repeat what you already know?

The Strathclyde programme looks good. The Nottingham programme seems rather academic.
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panos
Focus on your career goals. What do you want to do afterwards?

If you have a degree in commerce then is there much point taking a porgramme at Aston or Lancaster which will repeat what you already know?

The Strathclyde programme looks good. The Nottingham programme seems rather academic.



Hi Duncan!! very nice finally being able talking to you!!!

maybe you can help me choosing a programm
I currently send my applications in some uk unis and i wonder i you if you
can give me an advise for choosing one in order of better option briefly:

- Strathclyde-International Management
- Bath-International Management
- Lancaster-International Business
- Henley-International Management
- Bradford-International Business and Management
- Aston-International Business
<blockquote>Focus on your career goals. What do you want to do afterwards?

If you have a degree in commerce then is there much point taking a porgramme at Aston or Lancaster which will repeat what you already know?

The Strathclyde programme looks good. The Nottingham programme seems rather academic.</blockquote>


Hi Duncan!! very nice finally being able talking to you!!!

maybe you can help me choosing a programm
I currently send my applications in some uk unis and i wonder i you if you
can give me an advise for choosing one in order of better option briefly:

- Strathclyde-International Management
- Bath-International Management
- Lancaster-International Business
- Henley-International Management
- Bradford-International Business and Management
- Aston-International Business
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Alain
I think it's rather useless to ask someone to rank schools without explaining
- what you have done until now
- wehere you want to work afterwards
- what your career goals are

Read Duncan's last posts...

If you want an general ranking of schools/programs just go to http://www.find-mba.com/mba-rankings
I think it's rather useless to ask someone to rank schools without explaining
- what you have done until now
- wehere you want to work afterwards
- what your career goals are

Read Duncan's last posts...

If you want an general ranking of schools/programs just go to http://www.find-mba.com/mba-rankings
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panos
I think it's rather useless to ask someone to rank schools without explaining
- what you have done until now
- wehere you want to work afterwards
- what your career goals are

Read Duncan's last posts...

If you want an general ranking of schools/programs just go to http://www.find-mba.com/mba-rankings


Well i hold a bachelor degree in Marketing and all mentioned reguirements (IELTS etc.) are fullfilled and my carrer inspiration is to gain knowledge in international business. I have send the applications but if have to be honest i am facing a stranggle to rank those unis in order,, if you can give me any advce whould be much appreciated..thanks again!
<blockquote>I think it's rather useless to ask someone to rank schools without explaining
- what you have done until now
- wehere you want to work afterwards
- what your career goals are

Read Duncan's last posts...

If you want an general ranking of schools/programs just go to http://www.find-mba.com/mba-rankings</blockquote>

Well i hold a bachelor degree in Marketing and all mentioned reguirements (IELTS etc.) are fullfilled and my carrer inspiration is to gain knowledge in international business. I have send the applications but if have to be honest i am facing a stranggle to rank those unis in order,, if you can give me any advce whould be much appreciated..thanks again!
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Duncan
Panos, you have a Greek name but are listing schools in England. You say you want knowledge, but these are mostly vocational training. So, if you want better guidance than "look at the FT ranking for MSc degrees" you have to explain your real goals. If you just want to learn, join your local library and use Opencourseware.
Panos, you have a Greek name but are listing schools in England. You say you want knowledge, but these are mostly vocational training. So, if you want better guidance than "look at the FT ranking for MSc degrees" you have to explain your real goals. If you just want to learn, join your local library and use Opencourseware.
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GiMax
Panos, you have a Greek name but are listing schools in England. You say you want knowledge, but these are mostly vocational training. So, if you want better guidance than "look at the FT ranking for MSc degrees" you have to explain your real goals. If you just want to learn, join your local library and use Opencourseware.


Hi Duncan,

Thanks for your help.

I just got my undergrad degree in Business from an Italian Uni and I hold an unconditional offer from Strathclyde for MSc International Management. I have a 7 months work experience in a small Consulting Firm based in Dublin and after the MSc I would like to continue in the Consulting field, or in the Marketing field of a good firm.

Do you think this programme well suited to my interests?

Or would it be better if I managed to gain more experience, take the gmat and then try to get into a more recognized Uni?

Thanks in advance.
<blockquote>Panos, you have a Greek name but are listing schools in England. You say you want knowledge, but these are mostly vocational training. So, if you want better guidance than "look at the FT ranking for MSc degrees" you have to explain your real goals. If you just want to learn, join your local library and use Opencourseware. </blockquote>

Hi Duncan,

Thanks for your help.

I just got my undergrad degree in Business from an Italian Uni and I hold an unconditional offer from Strathclyde for MSc International Management. I have a 7 months work experience in a small Consulting Firm based in Dublin and after the MSc I would like to continue in the Consulting field, or in the Marketing field of a good firm.

Do you think this programme well suited to my interests?

Or would it be better if I managed to gain more experience, take the gmat and then try to get into a more recognized Uni?

Thanks in advance.
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Duncan
It might be suited to your interests, but it's not the best course for your career goals. Strathclyde's MSc International Management is a better training for either export managers or future PhD candidates.

Use this ranking http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2011 and sort it by salary. Look at the 20 or so schools with the higher salaries: those are the ones with the best placement into consulting. Add the column called 'Degree' and you'll see that eight of them are designed for students with undergraduate degrees in business.

Of those three have internships (massively important) and a majority of international students: ESADE, HSG and Rotterdam. Take your GMAT and apply to those three. Also look at Copenhagen, which is strong for marketing.
It might be suited to your interests, but it's not the best course for your career goals. Strathclyde's MSc International Management is a better training for either export managers or future PhD candidates.

Use this ranking http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2011 and sort it by salary. Look at the 20 or so schools with the higher salaries: those are the ones with the best placement into consulting. Add the column called 'Degree' and you'll see that eight of them are designed for students with undergraduate degrees in business.

Of those three have internships (massively important) and a majority of international students: ESADE, HSG and Rotterdam. Take your GMAT and apply to those three. Also look at Copenhagen, which is strong for marketing.
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Duncan, I am a B.Tech (Computer Science) Undergrad from India. I have almost zero work experience. Wanted to shift streams into management. Now I have an offer from Aston University for Msc. Business and Management. I'd like to know about average salaries for an Msc. Business and Mgmt grad from Aston and I'd also like you to tell me if it's advisable taking it and what options I've got.
Duncan, I am a B.Tech (Computer Science) Undergrad from India. I have almost zero work experience. Wanted to shift streams into management. Now I have an offer from Aston University for Msc. Business and Management. I'd like to know about average salaries for an Msc. Business and Mgmt grad from Aston and I'd also like you to tell me if it's advisable taking it and what options I've got.
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Duncan
Considering the previous answer, you won;t be surprised by my answer.

Use this ranking http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2011 and sort it by salary. Look at the 20 or so schools with the higher salaries: those are the ones with the best placement. Add the column called 'Degree' and you'll see that 12 of them are designed for students without undergraduate degrees in business.

Of those eight normally have internships (massively important) and three have a majority of international students: the CEMS consortium, EM Lyon and ESCP Europe. I think those are the best schools to aim for.

....

If you insist on the UK, then focus on ESCP Europe (in London), London School of Economics, Imperial College, University of Edinburgh, or City University: Cass. Their average salaries are at least $5,000 higher than Aston's.

The same table will show you average salaries for Aston MSc alumni: $49,538. That is below average for those top MSc programmes. Aston may be able to give you more precise data for your specific programme.
Considering the previous answer, you won;t be surprised by my answer.

Use this ranking http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/masters-in-management-2011 and sort it by salary. Look at the 20 or so schools with the higher salaries: those are the ones with the best placement. Add the column called 'Degree' and you'll see that 12 of them are designed for students without undergraduate degrees in business.

Of those eight normally have internships (massively important) and three have a majority of international students: the CEMS consortium, EM Lyon and ESCP Europe. I think those are the best schools to aim for.

....

If you insist on the UK, then focus on ESCP Europe (in London), London School of Economics, Imperial College, University of Edinburgh, or City University: Cass. Their average salaries are at least $5,000 higher than Aston's.

The same table will show you average salaries for Aston MSc alumni: $49,538. That is below average for those top MSc programmes. Aston may be able to give you more precise data for your specific programme.
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