MBA in Europe; Job prospects post MBA in Germany /Europe


dubeyvk86

Dear helper/guide/mentor,

I want to get an MBA from Europe (2016), and subsequently work and live there.
MY Profile :
- 6yrs of Work Experience as R&D Proffessional for Comercial Air-conditioners
- Mechanical Enginner by degree and Proffession
- An Indian working in India

My main concerns :

1. Program cost.
2. Job post the degree(mostly by the help of career services of the School). For eg, 79% of grads of IESE have been placed with Career services help.

For this, the countries( and their MBA schools) which I have shortlisted are below ( not in specific order ):
1. Spain
2. Germany
3. Switzerland
4. Italy
5. Netherlnad

However all the top ranked schools are heavy on my pocket. Due to this reason, I am thinking of getting my degree from one of good German schools, when I say heavy I mean any amount beyond Euro 38,000.

I am not sure about the scholarships, so haven't taken them into account.

However , I am skeptical about the MBA jobs in Germany , or in all of western Europe and parts of central Europe. Thius comes from the fact that Europe, specifically the nations which I have listed above is mostly an Engineering hub.


Any guidance/help in this, would be highly regarded.

Nonetheless, thanks for reading this far.

Please note: I do understand the importance the the local language of the country , and shall take care of the same in due course of time.

Dear helper/guide/mentor,

I want to get an MBA from Europe (2016), and subsequently work and live there.
MY Profile :
- 6yrs of Work Experience as R&D Proffessional for Comercial Air-conditioners
- Mechanical Enginner by degree and Proffession
- An Indian working in India

My main concerns :

1. Program cost.
2. Job post the degree(mostly by the help of career services of the School). For eg, 79% of grads of IESE have been placed with Career services help.

For this, the countries( and their MBA schools) which I have shortlisted are below ( not in specific order ):
1. Spain
2. Germany
3. Switzerland
4. Italy
5. Netherlnad

However all the top ranked schools are heavy on my pocket. Due to this reason, I am thinking of getting my degree from one of good German schools, when I say heavy I mean any amount beyond Euro 38,000.

I am not sure about the scholarships, so haven't taken them into account.

However , I am skeptical about the MBA jobs in Germany , or in all of western Europe and parts of central Europe. Thius comes from the fact that Europe, specifically the nations which I have listed above is mostly an Engineering hub.


Any guidance/help in this, would be highly regarded.

Nonetheless, thanks for reading this far.

Please note: I do understand the importance the the local language of the country , and shall take care of the same in due course of time.
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Duncan

Since you are skeptical about MBA jobs in western and central Europe, why would you choose that region for an MBA?

Since you are skeptical about MBA jobs in western and central Europe, why would you choose that region for an MBA?
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dubeyvk86

Dear Duncan,

Thanks for the reply. To answer your question, I would like to go a little detail.

Firstly, this is not view (about Mba jobs in Germany, or in Europe). This is formed from the fact that most of Europe is more on engineering forefront. Again, I am not sure about this. But then I belive it's the "Business " that takes the "engineering products" to the masses.

Secondly, I chose Europe, as I want to have my career there.

Someone informed me that for top positions of Engineering companies prefer Phds, against an MBA degree holder.

Had it been a question of getting an MS, then I wouldn't have been here at the first place.

Getting an MBA from Europe, and then getting a job seems easy compared to studying elsewhere and then seeking job in Euro land.

I hope I could clear the doubts which I created.

Due regards

Dear Duncan,

Thanks for the reply. To answer your question, I would like to go a little detail.

Firstly, this is not view (about Mba jobs in Germany, or in Europe). This is formed from the fact that most of Europe is more on engineering forefront. Again, I am not sure about this. But then I belive it's the "Business " that takes the "engineering products" to the masses.

Secondly, I chose Europe, as I want to have my career there.

Someone informed me that for top positions of Engineering companies prefer Phds, against an MBA degree holder.

Had it been a question of getting an MS, then I wouldn't have been here at the first place.

Getting an MBA from Europe, and then getting a job seems easy compared to studying elsewhere and then seeking job in Euro land.

I hope I could clear the doubts which I created.

Due regards
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dubeyvk86

No replies !!

No replies !!
quote
Duncan

I find that asking questions can encourage replies.

I find that asking questions can encourage replies.
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Ayon

@dubeyvk86

In my opinion, there are several assumptions behind your decision to pursue MBA from Europe.
So lets, address them one by one.

1) Why do you want to work in Europe? Do you like their style of management or working? Have you visited your target countries - Spain, Germany - Netherlands or talked to someone who is working there to figure out what's it like working in those countries?

2) MBA is not an immigration tool. I think people from Indian subcontinent want to use it as such. Why do you want to do MBA? is there a particular skill set you want to develop? any skill that help you in your career trajectory?

3) In my humble opinion you are assuming too much. With every assumption lies the risk of that assumption not holding true or changing over time.

"Firstly, this is not view (about Mba jobs in Germany, or in Europe). This is formed from the fact that most of Europe is more on engineering forefront."

"Please note: I do understand the importance the the local language of the country , and shall take care of the same in due course of time."

"Had it been a question of getting an MS, then I wouldn't have been here at the first place.

Getting an MBA from Europe, and then getting a job seems easy compared to studying elsewhere and then seeking job in Euro land. "

4) Continuing on point # 3. I am an Indian, born and raised in New Delhi and speak fluent English. I am working in US after getting my MBA from here. At times even I find it difficult to converse with folks here. The language appears same, but there is too much difference in cultural context, idioms, and accents. Imagine overcoming these with Spanish, German, French etc. Can it be done - of course! It's unlikely though that you'll reach a B2 level proficiency in less than 2 years time.

5) After you find your reason to do MBA (point #2) and learn the local language, you would still need to convince your prospective recruiter to hire you. Why should they hire you over an equally qualified EU National?
Is it that the German companies can't find enough German speaking Engineers who have EU work permit by birth and want to work at "Business front"?

I suggest you introspect a little harder. All the best!

[Edited by Ayon on Oct 12, 2015]

@dubeyvk86

In my opinion, there are several assumptions behind your decision to pursue MBA from Europe.
So lets, address them one by one.

1) Why do you want to work in Europe? Do you like their style of management or working? Have you visited your target countries - Spain, Germany - Netherlands or talked to someone who is working there to figure out what's it like working in those countries?

2) MBA is not an immigration tool. I think people from Indian subcontinent want to use it as such. Why do you want to do MBA? is there a particular skill set you want to develop? any skill that help you in your career trajectory?

3) In my humble opinion you are assuming too much. With every assumption lies the risk of that assumption not holding true or changing over time.

"Firstly, this is not view (about Mba jobs in Germany, or in Europe). This is formed from the fact that most of Europe is more on engineering forefront."

"Please note: I do understand the importance the the local language of the country , and shall take care of the same in due course of time."

"Had it been a question of getting an MS, then I wouldn't have been here at the first place.

Getting an MBA from Europe, and then getting a job seems easy compared to studying elsewhere and then seeking job in Euro land. "

4) Continuing on point # 3. I am an Indian, born and raised in New Delhi and speak fluent English. I am working in US after getting my MBA from here. At times even I find it difficult to converse with folks here. The language appears same, but there is too much difference in cultural context, idioms, and accents. Imagine overcoming these with Spanish, German, French etc. Can it be done - of course! It's unlikely though that you'll reach a B2 level proficiency in less than 2 years time.

5) After you find your reason to do MBA (point #2) and learn the local language, you would still need to convince your prospective recruiter to hire you. Why should they hire you over an equally qualified EU National?
Is it that the German companies can't find enough German speaking Engineers who have EU work permit by birth and want to work at "Business front"?

I suggest you introspect a little harder. All the best!


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MBAmate

Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.

Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.
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dubeyvk86

Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.


Hello Ashoke,

Thanks for the reply. What you say does make sense, and based on this I selected this Program.
Can you throw some light on thos.

https://www.ebs.edu/en/business-school/study-programmes/full-time-mba/mba/programme-structure/accelerated-track.html

It's a one-year Program in EBS, with a tuition fee for Accelerated Track: 23,500 euros (incl. enrolment fee)

However I am not sure of the Placement services or Career Services.

By and large I guess the minimum period of MBA Education that any European University would impart would be of around 12Months. But in most such programs do-away with the internships.

Don't you think , this would affect as I want to move from my current technical roles to management side ( Marketing / Supply Chain ). I have selected these as most of the German manufacturing is Product based ( Automobiles and other such units )


due regards,

Vivek

[quote]Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.[/quote]

Hello Ashoke,

Thanks for the reply. What you say does make sense, and based on this I selected this Program.
Can you throw some light on thos.

https://www.ebs.edu/en/business-school/study-programmes/full-time-mba/mba/programme-structure/accelerated-track.html

It's a one-year Program in EBS, with a tuition fee for Accelerated Track: 23,500 euros (incl. enrolment fee)

However I am not sure of the Placement services or Career Services.

By and large I guess the minimum period of MBA Education that any European University would impart would be of around 12Months. But in most such programs do-away with the internships.

Don't you think , this would affect as I want to move from my current technical roles to management side ( Marketing / Supply Chain ). I have selected these as most of the German manufacturing is Product based ( Automobiles and other such units )


due regards,

Vivek
quote
dubeyvk86

Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.


Hello Ashoke,

Thanks for the reply. What you say does make sense, and based on this I selected this Program.
Can you throw some light on thos.

https://www.ebs.edu/en/business-school/study-programmes/full-time-mba/mba/programme-structure/accelerated-track.html

It's a one-year Program in EBS, with a tuition fee for Accelerated Track: 23,500 euros (incl. enrolment fee)

However I am not sure of the Placement services or Career Services.

By and large I guess the minimum period of MBA Education that any European University would impart would be of around 12Months. But in most such programs do-away with the internships.

Don't you think , this would affect as I want to move from my current technical roles to management side ( Marketing / Supply Chain ). I have selected these as most of the German manufacturing is Product based ( Automobiles and other such units )


due regards,

Vivek

[quote]Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.[/quote]

Hello Ashoke,

Thanks for the reply. What you say does make sense, and based on this I selected this Program.
Can you throw some light on thos.

https://www.ebs.edu/en/business-school/study-programmes/full-time-mba/mba/programme-structure/accelerated-track.html

It's a one-year Program in EBS, with a tuition fee for Accelerated Track: 23,500 euros (incl. enrolment fee)

However I am not sure of the Placement services or Career Services.

By and large I guess the minimum period of MBA Education that any European University would impart would be of around 12Months. But in most such programs do-away with the internships.

Don't you think , this would affect as I want to move from my current technical roles to management side ( Marketing / Supply Chain ). I have selected these as most of the German manufacturing is Product based ( Automobiles and other such units )


due regards,

Vivek
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laurie

This also depends on -- others have mentioned this here -- whether you speak the language or not. In the automotive industry in particular, you'll need professional German fluency... And attaining this without substantial pre-program language prep is not something that realistically can be done during an MBA program.

This also depends on -- others have mentioned this here -- whether you speak the language or not. In the automotive industry in particular, you'll need professional German fluency... And attaining this without substantial pre-program language prep is not something that realistically can be done during an MBA program.
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MBAmate

Hi Viveke

You can select other schools which could be much cheaper. One of such schools is Offenburg IBC MBA program , Its first track program and much lower course fee. If you focus on German language and build up your skills to B2 level then after completing a fast track program like IBC MBA you have saved time and also money and have same advantage of 18 months of Job search visa.

Most German MBA programs do not provide any kind of placement service , but most of them maintain standard of education , You will get a fair amount of exposure to management acumen

Ashok


Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.


Hello Ashoke,

Thanks for the reply. What you say does make sense, and based on this I selected this Program.
Can you throw some light on thos.

https://www.ebs.edu/en/business-school/study-programmes/full-time-mba/mba/programme-structure/accelerated-track.html

It's a one-year Program in EBS, with a tuition fee for Accelerated Track: 23,500 euros (incl. enrolment fee)

However I am not sure of the Placement services or Career Services.

By and large I guess the minimum period of MBA Education that any European University would impart would be of around 12Months. But in most such programs do-away with the internships.

Don't you think , this would affect as I want to move from my current technical roles to management side ( Marketing / Supply Chain ). I have selected these as most of the German manufacturing is Product based ( Automobiles and other such units )


due regards,

Vivek

Hi Viveke

You can select other schools which could be much cheaper. One of such schools is Offenburg IBC MBA program , Its first track program and much lower course fee. If you focus on German language and build up your skills to B2 level then after completing a fast track program like IBC MBA you have saved time and also money and have same advantage of 18 months of Job search visa.

Most German MBA programs do not provide any kind of placement service , but most of them maintain standard of education , You will get a fair amount of exposure to management acumen

Ashok


[quote][quote]Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.[/quote]

Hello Ashoke,

Thanks for the reply. What you say does make sense, and based on this I selected this Program.
Can you throw some light on thos.

https://www.ebs.edu/en/business-school/study-programmes/full-time-mba/mba/programme-structure/accelerated-track.html

It's a one-year Program in EBS, with a tuition fee for Accelerated Track: 23,500 euros (incl. enrolment fee)

However I am not sure of the Placement services or Career Services.

By and large I guess the minimum period of MBA Education that any European University would impart would be of around 12Months. But in most such programs do-away with the internships.

Don't you think , this would affect as I want to move from my current technical roles to management side ( Marketing / Supply Chain ). I have selected these as most of the German manufacturing is Product based ( Automobiles and other such units )


due regards,

Vivek[/quote]
quote
MBAmate

Hi Viveke

You can select other schools which could be much cheaper. One of such schools is Offenburg IBC MBA program , Its first track program and much lower course fee. If you focus on German language and build up your skills to B2 level then after completing a fast track program like IBC MBA you have saved time and also money and have same advantage of 18 months of Job search visa.

Most German MBA programs do not provide any kind of placement service , but most of them maintain standard of education , You will get a fair amount of exposure to management acumen

Ashok


Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.


Hello Ashoke,

Thanks for the reply. What you say does make sense, and based on this I selected this Program.
Can you throw some light on thos.

https://www.ebs.edu/en/business-school/study-programmes/full-time-mba/mba/programme-structure/accelerated-track.html

It's a one-year Program in EBS, with a tuition fee for Accelerated Track: 23,500 euros (incl. enrolment fee)

However I am not sure of the Placement services or Career Services.

By and large I guess the minimum period of MBA Education that any European University would impart would be of around 12Months. But in most such programs do-away with the internships.

Don't you think , this would affect as I want to move from my current technical roles to management side ( Marketing / Supply Chain ). I have selected these as most of the German manufacturing is Product based ( Automobiles and other such units )


due regards,

Vivek

Hi Viveke

You can select other schools which could be much cheaper. One of such schools is Offenburg IBC MBA program , Its first track program and much lower course fee. If you focus on German language and build up your skills to B2 level then after completing a fast track program like IBC MBA you have saved time and also money and have same advantage of 18 months of Job search visa.

Most German MBA programs do not provide any kind of placement service , but most of them maintain standard of education , You will get a fair amount of exposure to management acumen

Ashok


[quote][quote]Hi

Currently the job prospects in Germany are good, but how long this spree will be there is unpredictable.

If you want to work in Europe and in business position , language sufficiency should be the first focus. Getting in to a good school will certainly be a good launch pad, but at the same time , if the costs are too heavy, and you can not wait for couple of years to arrange the program fees ( they hike year -on-year basis too ) then you can take up any MBA program that is a short duration and decent. The benefit of German MBA program is the 18 months job search visa which will give you residence permit in Germany and access to the European union .

Good luck.[/quote]

Hello Ashoke,

Thanks for the reply. What you say does make sense, and based on this I selected this Program.
Can you throw some light on thos.

https://www.ebs.edu/en/business-school/study-programmes/full-time-mba/mba/programme-structure/accelerated-track.html

It's a one-year Program in EBS, with a tuition fee for Accelerated Track: 23,500 euros (incl. enrolment fee)

However I am not sure of the Placement services or Career Services.

By and large I guess the minimum period of MBA Education that any European University would impart would be of around 12Months. But in most such programs do-away with the internships.

Don't you think , this would affect as I want to move from my current technical roles to management side ( Marketing / Supply Chain ). I have selected these as most of the German manufacturing is Product based ( Automobiles and other such units )


due regards,

Vivek[/quote]
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