EMBA - ESCP-ESSEC-HEC-INSEAD-CEU


Cyril

Hi,



I am considering doing an EMBA, and I'd like to discuss the differences between the various ones in the title of the topic, whether they'd be a good fit for me, and also if my current experience would be appropriate for my application to be successful.



My situation:

- French citizen living in Paris

- master in management from Paris university (major in finance/control/audit) and the ACCA obtained in London.

- I worked 5 years in London (major international audit firm) and I’ll have 10 years of experience post-master in total when I would start the EMBA.

- I work in financial service, in a big, very international firm, in the Group finance team. I don’t have management responsibilities (direct reports), I’m more on an expert role. I’ve experience in driving projects though, coordinating people and also having fairly close contact with top management at group level and in our various locations around the world.



My objectives:

- Intellectual challenge: I really want something that’ll challenge me, and something that looks at the bigger pictures. I’d say it’s factor number 1. An EMBA that integrates inputs from economy, social science, geopolitics, and similar, would be ideal. I don’t want a pure business course. My master already had a GMP-like program, with marketing, strategy, HR, finance etc.

- Career progression: I’m not obsessed by salary progression in itself, but of course career progression is a key objective. I’d like to be more and more involved in decision-making and/or strategic projects in the middle-term.

- I don’t particularly plan to move abroad. After the EMBA, I’d probably stay in France for at least a few years.

- I’m fairly happy in financial services. I’m not entirely discarding changing sector one day, but it’s not an immediate goal to change. In any case, I don’t have in mind a specific target sector.



Here is my research and comments on the various EMBAs identified:

 - All the French ones: being in Paris, of course an EMBA in Paris would be easier to handle as a big part of the courses would be close from home. However, I want an international EMBA, both in terms of participants and also I want the opportunity of travelling while doing it.

- As my most likely course of action is to stay in France for a while, a French prestigious institution would be helpful, I suppose. My master/university is regarded as good but not great, probably in the bottom of the good ones in France (good enough to join a major audit firm but clearly not as good a reputation as HEC, ESSEC and the likes, or the good engineering schools). Given that France keeps that lovely tendency to judge you by your school for your whole professional life, I guess the prestige of the institution would help me settle that part once and for all.

- ESCP: looks very international, with 5 international seminars and the elective courses a bit everywhere around the world. That seems exciting. They communicate a lot on ESG, and they’re highly ranked for that in the FT, which I find nice. The EMBA is highly ranked in the FT, and the school as a whole is usually seen as top-3.

- ESSEC-Mannheim: ESSEC is also top-3 in France, although the EMBA itself is not ranked as high as ESCP. I don’t know what to think about this EMBA frankly, the cursus seems quite standard.

- HEC: from this forum, I understand that the EMBA (non-TRIUM) is geared towards entrepreneurs. If that’s the case, that’s not what I’m looking for. But of course HEC reputation is top-notch. Any opinion?

- INSEAD: very well-known. Most expensive of all. Seems that they are strong in financial services, which is a plus for me. The cursus seems pretty standard though. And their cohorts seem very very senior, so I’m also wondering whether my application would have any chance anyway.

- CEU: not French - harder to manage logistically as nothing is in France. Also, CEU is probably virtually unknow in France, and the EMBA is not ranked at all yet (as it’s new). However, the cost is much lower than the other ones. And the program…the program looks extremely exciting: focus on data-driven decision-making, strong inputs from political sciences and economy, cohorts with not only business people but also public sector and charities, and finally a clear vision of society as a whole (as an open society), not just looking for the best way to do business.



Final note: I’m not in a rush, if it’s better to wait and build-up my profile and experience before doing an EMBA to get the most out of it (and/or to be able to access a great one rather than a good one), I’d be fine with it.



I’m happy to discuss all of the above with you guys, see if my preliminary considerations are appropriate, and if I’ve missed important points.



Thank you!

[Edited by Cyril on Oct 30, 2022]

Hi,<br>
<br>
I am considering doing an EMBA, and I'd like to discuss the differences between the various ones in the title of the topic, whether they'd be a good fit for me, and also if my current experience would be appropriate for my application to be successful.<br>
<br>
My situation:<br>
- French citizen living in Paris<br>
- master in management from Paris university (major in finance/control/audit) and the ACCA obtained in London.<br>
- I worked 5 years in London (major international audit firm) and I’ll have 10 years of experience post-master in total when I would start the EMBA.<br>
- I work in financial service, in a big, very international firm, in the Group finance team. I don’t have management responsibilities (direct reports), I’m more on an expert role. I’ve experience in driving projects though, coordinating people and also having fairly close contact with top management at group level and in our various locations around the world.<br>
<br>
My objectives:<br>
- Intellectual challenge: I really want something that’ll challenge me, and something that looks at the bigger pictures. I’d say it’s factor number 1. An EMBA that integrates inputs from economy, social science, geopolitics, and similar, would be ideal. I don’t want a pure business course. My master already had a GMP-like program, with marketing, strategy, HR, finance etc.<br>
- Career progression: I’m not obsessed by salary progression in itself, but of course career progression is a key objective. I’d like to be more and more involved in decision-making and/or strategic projects in the middle-term.<br>
- I don’t particularly plan to move abroad. After the EMBA, I’d probably stay in France for at least a few years.<br>
- I’m fairly happy in financial services. I’m not entirely discarding changing sector one day, but it’s not an immediate goal to change. In any case, I don’t have in mind a specific target sector.<br>
<br>
Here is my research and comments on the various EMBAs identified:<br><br>&nbsp;- All the French ones: being in Paris, of course an EMBA in Paris would be easier to handle as a big part of the courses would be close from home. However, I want an international EMBA, both in terms of participants and also I want the opportunity of travelling while doing it.<br><br>- As my most likely course of action is to stay in France for a while, a French prestigious institution would be helpful, I suppose. My master/university is regarded as good but not great, probably in the bottom of the good ones in France (good enough to join a major audit firm but clearly not as good a reputation as HEC, ESSEC and the likes, or the good engineering schools). Given that France keeps that lovely tendency to judge you by your school for your whole professional life, I guess the prestige of the institution would help me settle that part once and for all.<br><br>- ESCP: looks very international, with 5 international seminars and the elective courses a bit everywhere around the world. That seems exciting. They communicate a lot on ESG, and they’re highly ranked for that in the FT, which I find nice. The EMBA is highly ranked in the FT, and the school as a whole is usually seen as top-3.<br><br>- ESSEC-Mannheim: ESSEC is also top-3 in France, although the EMBA itself is not ranked as high as ESCP. I don’t know what to think about this EMBA frankly, the cursus seems quite standard.<br><br>- HEC: from this forum, I understand that the EMBA (non-TRIUM) is geared towards entrepreneurs. If that’s the case, that’s not what I’m looking for. But of course HEC reputation is top-notch. Any opinion?<br><br>- INSEAD: very well-known. Most expensive of all. Seems that they are strong in financial services, which is a plus for me. The cursus seems pretty standard though. And their cohorts seem very very senior, so I’m also wondering whether my application would have any chance anyway.<br><br>- CEU: not French - harder to manage logistically as nothing is in France. Also, CEU is probably virtually unknow in France, and the EMBA is not ranked at all yet (as it’s new). However, the cost is much lower than the other ones. And the program…the program looks extremely exciting: focus on data-driven decision-making, strong inputs from political sciences and economy, cohorts with not only business people but also public sector and charities, and finally a clear vision of society as a whole (as an open society), not just looking for the best way to do business.<br>
<br>
Final note: I’m not in a rush, if it’s better to wait and build-up my profile and experience before doing an EMBA to get the most out of it (and/or to be able to access a great one rather than a good one), I’d be fine with it.<br>
<br>
I’m happy to discuss all of the above with you guys, see if my preliminary considerations are appropriate, and if I’ve missed important points.<br>
<br>
Thank you!
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Duncan

It's important to put your criteria in order. On the international nature of the MBA, is that more important to you than career progression and a strong network? It's nice to travel but perhaps focus on the best MBA and then the extra income can support excellent travel opportunities in the future. 

The most international cohort will be ESCP (because of their European track), Insead, Trium and HEC. The ESSEC-Mannheim track is a good option too. 

Could Oxford or LBS work for you? 

PS CEU makes no sense. I suggest you start to contact these schools and visit a class at each to get a sense of the cohort quality. 

[Edited by Duncan on Oct 30, 2022]

It's important to put your criteria in order. On the international nature of the MBA, is that more important to you than career progression and a strong network? It's nice to travel but perhaps focus on the best MBA and then the extra income can support excellent travel opportunities in the future.&nbsp;<br><br>The most international cohort will be ESCP (because of their European track), Insead, Trium and HEC. The ESSEC-Mannheim track is a good option too.&nbsp;<br><br>Could Oxford or LBS work for you?&nbsp;<br><br>PS CEU makes no sense. I suggest you start to contact these schools and visit a class at each to get a sense of the cohort quality.&nbsp;
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Cyril

Thank you very much! Your comment on the travel thing makes total sense, I should probably no put so much emphasis on that. I didn't know you could visit a class of EMBA, for now I have only looked at the cohort descriptions in the brochures. I'll look into it.

I terms of content/curriculum, do you see any noteworthy difference between, for example, ESCP, HEC, ESSEC or Insead? I've looked into them but they look more or less equivalent to me (some may have a bit more or less of an entrepreneurial focus but that's about it).

For Oxford or LBS, I have not considered them in particular. I think that'd be more difficult to handle, as I'd have to travel for everything. Also, Oxford seems to be in full-week modules, which makes is harder to juggle work and study. But I'm interested, what was the reason why you mentioned those two in particular?

Thank you very much! Your comment on the travel thing makes total sense, I should probably no put so much emphasis on that. I didn't know you could visit a class of EMBA, for now I have only looked at the cohort descriptions in the brochures. I'll look into it. <br><br>I terms of content/curriculum, do you see any noteworthy difference between, for example, ESCP, HEC, ESSEC or Insead? I've looked into them but they look more or less equivalent to me (some may have a bit more or less of an entrepreneurial focus but that's about it).<br><br>For Oxford or LBS, I have not considered them in particular. I think that'd be more difficult to handle, as I'd have to travel for everything. Also, Oxford seems to be in full-week modules, which makes is harder to juggle work and study. But I'm interested, what was the reason why you mentioned those two in particular?<br>
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Duncan

The difference in cohort and alumni network matters more than the content. The core will be very similar. ESCP has a very extensive core, which I have discussed on other threads. Focus on the school with the best fit. 

Oxford's blocks do work for some people from outside the country. It's a very international experience. I studied at LBS and EDHEC, and found that the grandes écoles have a very different feeling from the Anglo Saxon approach. You might find it useful. It's also a very big brand globally. LBS has an exceptionally good EMBA and a very strong cohort. 

The difference in cohort and alumni network matters more than the content. The core will be very similar. ESCP has a very extensive core, which I have discussed on other threads. Focus on the school with the best fit.&nbsp;<br><br>Oxford's blocks do work for some people from outside the country. It's a very international experience. I studied at LBS and EDHEC, and found that the grandes écoles have a very different feeling from the Anglo Saxon approach. You might find it useful. It's also a very big brand globally. LBS has an exceptionally good EMBA and a very strong cohort.&nbsp;
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Cyril

Ok, noted - I'll focus on the cohort (I need to dig into your LinkedIn tutorial). In another topic, you stated that ESCP cohort might be a bit more stretching than ESSEC.

I was actually wondering about the difference between a "Grande Ecole" and a university approach. Would you be kind enough to specify in which way it has a different feeling ? From what I gathered I'd risk that it may be more a "campus" experience, with more relationships with more people (not only from the EMBA itself), whereas EMBA in a Grande Ecole may be lacking in that department. But I'm not sure at all that it is what you mean.

Ok, noted - I'll focus on the cohort (I need to dig into your LinkedIn tutorial). In another topic, you stated that ESCP cohort might be a bit more stretching than ESSEC.<br><br>I was actually wondering about the difference between a "Grande Ecole" and a university approach. Would you be kind enough to specify in which way it has a different feeling ? From what I gathered I'd risk that it may be more a "campus" experience, with more relationships with more people (not only from the EMBA itself), whereas EMBA in a Grande Ecole may be lacking in that department. But I'm not sure at all that it is what you mean.<br>
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Duncan

Generally a grande ecole MBA will be hard to get into but not very challenging academically, and focussed very much on individual assessment. An Anglo Saxon school will have more assessment and more group work. 

Generally a grande ecole MBA will be hard to get into but not very challenging academically, and focussed very much on individual assessment. An Anglo Saxon school will have more assessment and more group work.&nbsp;
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