Inquiry about MBA in Geneva Business School UAE


a.malaka
Hi all,
Does anyone have any comments or feedback about MBA program from Geneva business school in UAE?

I am a software engineer and would like to get an MBA degree for career and knowledge expansion without the need to spend a fortune.

Would love to hear from you.

Thanks,
Abdullah
Hi all,
Does anyone have any comments or feedback about MBA program from Geneva business school in UAE?

I am a software engineer and would like to get an MBA degree for career and knowledge expansion without the need to spend a fortune.

Would love to hear from you.

Thanks,
Abdullah
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Duncan
I cannot see any reason to buy a "MBA' from a business that does not have the legal right to issue degrees, and is not recognised as a university in its own country. If you can afford an MBA with meaningful accreditation, then do that. If not, take a course with a respected university.
I cannot see any reason to buy a "MBA' from a business that does not have the legal right to issue degrees, and is not recognised as a university in its own country. If you can afford an MBA with meaningful accreditation, then do that. If not, take a course with a respected university.
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a.malaka
I cannot see any reason to buy a "MBA' from a business that does not have the legal right to issue degrees, and is not recognised as a university in its own country. If you can afford an MBA with meaningful accreditation, then do that. If not, take a course with a respected university.


Sorry, am not an expert in this but what does there accreditation mean then?
http://www.gbsge.com/accreditations/

So this MBA is not recognized worldwide??
If not, do you recommend any affordable MBA in UAE (online or DL are preferable)?
[quote]I cannot see any reason to buy a "MBA' from a business that does not have the legal right to issue degrees, and is not recognised as a university in its own country. If you can afford an MBA with meaningful accreditation, then do that. If not, take a course with a respected university. [/quote]

Sorry, am not an expert in this but what does there accreditation mean then?
http://www.gbsge.com/accreditations/

So this MBA is not recognized worldwide??
If not, do you recommend any affordable MBA in UAE (online or DL are preferable)?
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Duncan
No, that is not a legal MBA. Take a look at http://find-mba.com/mba-faq/mba-accreditation-why-is-it-important and you will see the three accreditation bodies that matter. I don't know what you consider affordable, but search the discussion board for UAE or Dubai and you will see the local options, or use the MBA search in the menu above. For distance learning, Bradford and Illinois are inexpensive options.
No, that is not a legal MBA. Take a look at http://find-mba.com/mba-faq/mba-accreditation-why-is-it-important and you will see the three accreditation bodies that matter. I don't know what you consider affordable, but search the discussion board for UAE or Dubai and you will see the local options, or use the MBA search in the menu above. For distance learning, Bradford and Illinois are inexpensive options.
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a.malaka
Thanks Duncan, between these two (Bradford and Illinois) which one do you recommend and why?

[Edited by a.malaka on Nov 10, 2015]

Thanks Duncan, between these two (Bradford and Illinois) which one do you recommend and why?
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Duncan
I think there are lots of very good online MBAs with international accreditation. Bradford is one of those with a local presence in the UAE, along with Strathclyde, Cass, LBS and others. I think that will give you a better local network and strong learning support. Illinois is a world-class university, and great value at $20,000, but the learning support might not be so great.
I think there are lots of very good online MBAs with international accreditation. Bradford is one of those with a local presence in the UAE, along with Strathclyde, Cass, LBS and others. I think that will give you a better local network and strong learning support. Illinois is a world-class university, and great value at $20,000, but the learning support might not be so great.
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I cannot see any reason to buy a "MBA' from a business that does not have the legal right to issue degrees, and is not recognised as a university in its own country. If you can afford an MBA with meaningful accreditation, then do that. If not, take a course with a respected university.


First of all Ducan, if you are not an expert or dont know much about the university there is thing called inquire. Kindly reach out to me if you need any clarifications.

your could reach out to me on [email protected]
[quote]I cannot see any reason to buy a "MBA' from a business that does not have the legal right to issue degrees, and is not recognised as a university in its own country. If you can afford an MBA with meaningful accreditation, then do that. If not, take a course with a respected university. [/quote]

First of all Ducan, if you are not an expert or dont know much about the university there is thing called inquire. Kindly reach out to me if you need any clarifications.

your could reach out to me on [email protected]
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mba hipste...
Uhh, have you seen Duncan's post history? His insight certainly qualifies him as an expert.
Uhh, have you seen Duncan's post history? His insight certainly qualifies him as an expert.
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Duncan
Avii, I encourage you to post here so people can see how wrong I am :)

Seriously, in terms of state accreditation. In Switzerland, the school is not state-recognized as a university. Prior to 2015, it was not accredited by the Swiss OAQ. The OQQ's successor, The Swiss Agency of Accreditation and Quality Assurance (AAQ) replaced the OAQ on 1 January 2015: it also does not accredit GBS. However, the Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua has certified Geneva Business School.

In 2015, GBS claimed that it had obtained Geneva cantonal authorizations to operate in 2001 and in 2002. This statement is no longer on the school's website.

The United States Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) website does not note GBS as accredited by any US government-recognized Accrediting Organization.

In Russia, Geneva Business School is not recognized as a higher education institution by the Federal Service for Supervision in Education and Science (National Information Center on Academic Recognition and Mobility from the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation).

In Germany, The University of Business & Finance Switzerland (UBFS) of Wettingen which has transferred its programs into Geneva Business School had the status of H- Nichtanerkannte Institution in the German Anabin database, indicating it is not accredited as university nor recognized.

[Edited by Duncan on Aug 06, 2018]

Avii, I encourage you to post here so people can see how wrong I am :)

Seriously, in terms of state accreditation. In Switzerland, the school is not state-recognized as a university. Prior to 2015, it was not accredited by the Swiss OAQ. The OQQ's successor, The Swiss Agency of Accreditation and Quality Assurance (AAQ) replaced the OAQ on 1 January 2015: it also does not accredit GBS. However, the Swiss quality label for non-degree, further education institutions EduQua has certified Geneva Business School.

In 2015, GBS claimed that it had obtained Geneva cantonal authorizations to operate in 2001 and in 2002. This statement is no longer on the school's website.

The United States Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) website does not note GBS as accredited by any US government-recognized Accrediting Organization.

In Russia, Geneva Business School is not recognized as a higher education institution by the Federal Service for Supervision in Education and Science (National Information Center on Academic Recognition and Mobility from the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation).

In Germany, The University of Business & Finance Switzerland (UBFS) of Wettingen which has transferred its programs into Geneva Business School had the status of H- Nichtanerkannte Institution in the German Anabin database, indicating it is not accredited as university nor recognized.
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George Pat...
looks like an expensive diploma mill
looks like an expensive diploma mill

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Duncan
Éduqua is an accreditation body for further education, below the degree level, rather than for higher education. I am simply making the point that GBS is not accredited as a degree-awarding body.
Éduqua is an accreditation body for further education, below the degree level, rather than for higher education. I am simply making the point that GBS is not accredited as a degree-awarding body.
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K07
Éduqua is an accreditation body for further education, below the degree level, rather than for higher education. I am simply making the point that GBS is not accredited as a degree-awarding body.


Dear Duncan,

Could you please explain then why the official website's of this accreditation bodies, showing on their webside GBS accreditated?

IACBE:
http://iacbe.org/memberpdf/GenevaBusinessSchool.pdf

CHEA:
https://www.chea.org/2018-2019-directory-chea-recognized-organizations-pdf

On Page 17 (for your easy find)
International Accreditation Council for Business Education
(IACBE)
Dr. Phyllis Okrepkie, President
11374 Strang Line Road
Lenexa, KS 66215
Phone: 913-631-3009
Fax: 913-631-9154
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.iacbe.org
Recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation,
January 2011
CHEA-Recognized Scope of Accreditation
The IACBE accredits business programs that lead to degrees at the
associate, bachelor’s, master’s, and doctoral levels in institutions of higher
education worldwide that grant bachelor’s and/or graduate degrees.
The IACBE does not accredit business programs of institutions of higher
education that offer only associate degrees in business. (2011)

GBS Listed on CHEA wesite:
https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education

https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education

So Im not expert as you are but with all above evidences and listed in their official website that means GBS is accredited is in it?

Best,

[Edited by K07 on Sep 22, 2018]

[quote]Éduqua is an accreditation body for further education, below the degree level, rather than for higher education. I am simply making the point that GBS is not accredited as a degree-awarding body. [/quote]

Dear Duncan,

Could you please explain then why the official website's of this accreditation bodies, showing on their webside GBS accreditated?

IACBE:
http://iacbe.org/memberpdf/GenevaBusinessSchool.pdf

CHEA:
https://www.chea.org/2018-2019-directory-chea-recognized-organizations-pdf

On Page 17 (for your easy find)
International Accreditation Council for Business Education
(IACBE)
Dr. Phyllis Okrepkie, President
11374 Strang Line Road
Lenexa, KS 66215
Phone: 913-631-3009
Fax: 913-631-9154
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.iacbe.org
Recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation,
January 2011
CHEA-Recognized Scope of Accreditation
The IACBE accredits business programs that lead to degrees at the
associate, bachelor’s, master’s, and doctoral levels in institutions of higher
education worldwide that grant bachelor’s and/or graduate degrees.
The IACBE does not accredit business programs of institutions of higher
education that offer only associate degrees in business. (2011)

GBS Listed on CHEA wesite:
https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education

https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education

So Im not expert as you are but with all above evidences and listed in their official website that means GBS is accredited is in it?

Best,
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K07
Dear Duncan,

What about this?

IACBE Official Website GBS accreditation certificate:
https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education

CHEA Official Website IACBE as recognised body by CHEA and GBS also listed:
https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education

https://www.chea.org/programmatic-accrediting-organizations#assembly

https://www.chea.org/sites/default/files/other-content/directory-CHEA-recognized-orgs_10.pdf
(page 17 for your easy finding)

https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education
(Page 23-24 for your easy finding)

Im not expert as you are but according to all this evidences looks like GBS accredited is it? Or these websites are fake?

Best.
Dear Duncan,

What about this?

IACBE Official Website GBS accreditation certificate:
https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education

CHEA Official Website IACBE as recognised body by CHEA and GBS also listed:
https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education

https://www.chea.org/programmatic-accrediting-organizations#assembly

https://www.chea.org/sites/default/files/other-content/directory-CHEA-recognized-orgs_10.pdf
(page 17 for your easy finding)

https://www.chea.org/international-assembly-collegiate-business-education
(Page 23-24 for your easy finding)

Im not expert as you are but according to all this evidences looks like GBS accredited is it? Or these websites are fake?

Best.
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Duncan
Every school is accredited by someone. My points in this thread are that GBS:
- does not have the legal right to issue degrees and
- is not recognised as a university in its own country.
- Applicants should take a look at http://find-mba.com/mba-faq/mba-accreditation-why-is-it-important to see the three accreditation bodies for MBA schools that really matter. IACBE is not one of those.

Nor is IACBE is the organisation that controls the ability of Swiss universities to issue degrees. That organisation is AAQ. Indeed, neither is IACBE an organisation that controls the ability of universities in *any* country to issue degrees. It is a programmatic accreditor. It accredits individual programmes as meeting its criteria for application, but does not, and cannot, conver the right to issue degrees.

So, yes, every school is accredited by someone. But some matter more and others matter less.

[Edited by Duncan on Sep 23, 2018]

Every school is accredited by someone. My points in this thread are that GBS:
- does not have the legal right to issue degrees and
- is not recognised as a university in its own country.
- Applicants should take a look at http://find-mba.com/mba-faq/mba-accreditation-why-is-it-important to see the three accreditation bodies for MBA schools that really matter. IACBE is not one of those.

Nor is IACBE is the organisation that controls the ability of Swiss universities to issue degrees. That organisation is AAQ. Indeed, neither is IACBE an organisation that controls the ability of universities in *any* country to issue degrees. It is a programmatic accreditor. It accredits individual programmes as meeting its criteria for application, but does not, and cannot, conver the right to issue degrees.

So, yes, every school is accredited by someone. But some matter more and others matter less.
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Duncan
By the way K07, do you happen to be a friend of Avii, the guy from GBS who asked me to get in touch with him. I wrote to him the same day, and he never replied.

I understand that GBS employees need to defend the school but, obviously, I am not mistaken. It has never held accreditation as a degree-awarding body from the Swiss state.
By the way K07, do you happen to be a friend of Avii, the guy from GBS who asked me to get in touch with him. I wrote to him the same day, and he never replied.

I understand that GBS employees need to defend the school but, obviously, I am not mistaken. It has never held accreditation as a degree-awarding body from the Swiss state.
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Duncan
IACBE is a grand sounding name, but this is an business with fewer staff than you have toes (http://iacbe.org/about-page/staff/), and only one of the seven seens to actually work on accrediation. One person for 237 schools. Obviously, they won't have even visited all the campuses, let alone verified the quality of education. The $1,700 fee gives you an idea of how in-depth this accreditation must be.

This company accredits schools that cannot get AASCB accredition. The founder, John Green, also established an accrediation company called ACBSP with the same business model.
IACBE is a grand sounding name, but this is an business with fewer staff than you have toes (http://iacbe.org/about-page/staff/), and only one of the seven seens to actually work on accrediation. One person for 237 schools. Obviously, they won't have even visited all the campuses, let alone verified the quality of education. The $1,700 fee gives you an idea of how in-depth this accreditation must be.

This company accredits schools that cannot get AASCB accredition. The founder, John Green, also established an accrediation company called ACBSP with the same business model.
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K07
By the way K07, do you happen to be a friend of Avii, the guy from GBS who asked me to get in touch with him. I wrote to him the same day, and he never replied.

I understand that GBS employees need to defend the school but, obviously, I am not mistaken. It has never held accreditation as a degree-awarding body from the Swiss state.


Hi Duncan

I’m not a friend of Avii or never know him and also I’m not a employee of GBS!

I just came cross to this conversation and according to your comments I was interested and searched from websites little bit!

You mentioned above GBS not listed in CHEA but as you can see on my links CHEA recognised IACBE scope of accreditation! Also CHEA listed GBS in their website! Please refer to my post above!

Also no one says GBS is university, it’s private business school who is also in academical level providing education! Yes they charging money for this as other “universities” does for their MBA and distance learning!

If IACBE not proper acccreditation somehow then why the CHEA recognising this body!

Also if the diploma or degree not recognised by US government it doesn’t mean for me this is not a Diploma or not valuable!

As you say every school has their own accreditation or they follow only their country accreditation bodies. Like UK many of the top universities or public universities only accredited Privy Council!

It’s all about what you want at the end of your education! If you would like to be live and work in US yes you may choose one of them to study! Or who ever issuing AASCB accreditation! If you need just education or good education or do not want to be Iin US to use it for any reason and if you are trusting where you are studying that will give you what you want it doesn’t matter which accreditation has your degree or US government recognised or not!

This is how I see!

Again I’m not employee of GBS not friends of Avi. I just see some comments, interested, searched and thanks, got lot of knowledge!

Best
[quote]By the way K07, do you happen to be a friend of Avii, the guy from GBS who asked me to get in touch with him. I wrote to him the same day, and he never replied.

I understand that GBS employees need to defend the school but, obviously, I am not mistaken. It has never held accreditation as a degree-awarding body from the Swiss state.[/quote]

Hi Duncan

I’m not a friend of Avii or never know him and also I’m not a employee of GBS!

I just came cross to this conversation and according to your comments I was interested and searched from websites little bit!

You mentioned above GBS not listed in CHEA but as you can see on my links CHEA recognised IACBE scope of accreditation! Also CHEA listed GBS in their website! Please refer to my post above!

Also no one says GBS is university, it’s private business school who is also in academical level providing education! Yes they charging money for this as other “universities” does for their MBA and distance learning!

If IACBE not proper acccreditation somehow then why the CHEA recognising this body!

Also if the diploma or degree not recognised by US government it doesn’t mean for me this is not a Diploma or not valuable!

As you say every school has their own accreditation or they follow only their country accreditation bodies. Like UK many of the top universities or public universities only accredited Privy Council!

It’s all about what you want at the end of your education! If you would like to be live and work in US yes you may choose one of them to study! Or who ever issuing AASCB accreditation! If you need just education or good education or do not want to be Iin US to use it for any reason and if you are trusting where you are studying that will give you what you want it doesn’t matter which accreditation has your degree or US government recognised or not!

This is how I see!

Again I’m not employee of GBS not friends of Avi. I just see some comments, interested, searched and thanks, got lot of knowledge!

Best
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Duncan
CHEA is a marginal point, which doesn't influence the truth of the points in my first and last posts. Indeed, when I wrote that it was not listed and now it is. Even so, this is neither accreditation by the Swiss state, nor does it grant the right to issue legal degrees, nor is it one of the respected international accreditations in the triple crown.

CHEA is a useful resource, but none of the triple crown accreditations are listed by it. The AASCB, which gives accreditation to almost all the top business schools in the US, for example, is not a member. If would be a bizzare act of self harm to select GBS over an AACSB school because IACBE is in the CHEA database.

Indeed, US accredition is not the only kind. But given the broad range of MOOCs and degrees from business schools with respected international accreditions I just cannot see any reason to attend a for profit school without one.

[Edited by Duncan on Sep 23, 2018]

CHEA is a marginal point, which doesn't influence the truth of the points in my first and last posts. Indeed, when I wrote that it was not listed and now it is. Even so, this is neither accreditation by the Swiss state, nor does it grant the right to issue legal degrees, nor is it one of the respected international accreditations in the triple crown.

CHEA is a useful resource, but none of the triple crown accreditations are listed by it. The AASCB, which gives accreditation to almost all the top business schools in the US, for example, is not a member. If would be a bizzare act of self harm to select GBS over an AACSB school because IACBE is in the CHEA database.

Indeed, US accredition is not the only kind. But given the broad range of MOOCs and degrees from business schools with respected international accreditions I just cannot see any reason to attend a for profit school without one.
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Duncan
It's not the case that there are UK universities 'only' accredited by the Privy Council. The QAA maintains strict oversight and does close higher education institutions operating without its support. But "only" is not the right word to use about the Privy Council. That is a higher body than our Parliament which, with the Queen's permission, can suspend the Parliament and rule in its place. Good people to have on your side. Even so, I don't think there are any above-average schools in the UK operating without one or more of the triple crown accreditations.
It's not the case that there are UK universities 'only' accredited by the Privy Council. The QAA maintains strict oversight and does close higher education institutions operating without its support. But "only" is not the right word to use about the Privy Council. That is a higher body than our Parliament which, with the Queen's permission, can suspend the Parliament and rule in its place. Good people to have on your side. Even so, I don't think there are any above-average schools in the UK operating without one or more of the triple crown accreditations.
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mba hipste...

It’s all about what you want at the end of your education! If you would like to be live and work in US yes you may choose one of them to study! Or who ever issuing AASCB accreditation! If you need just education or good education or do not want to be Iin US to use it for any reason and if you are trusting where you are studying that will give you what you want it doesn’t matter which accreditation has your degree or US government recognised or not!

I don't think this is a valid point at all. AACSB accreditation certainly won't ensure you can work in the US after graduation.

However, doing an MBA from a school that has AMBA, EQUIS, or AACSB accreditation *will* ensure that you will get a quality education that is recognized by employers everywhere. My view on this is, if the MBA you're looking at is not accredited by one of these three organizations, you're usually better off just doing free online classes until you're able to do one that is.
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It’s all about what you want at the end of your education! If you would like to be live and work in US yes you may choose one of them to study! Or who ever issuing AASCB accreditation! If you need just education or good education or do not want to be Iin US to use it for any reason and if you are trusting where you are studying that will give you what you want it doesn’t matter which accreditation has your degree or US government recognised or not!
[/quote]
I don't think this is a valid point at all. AACSB accreditation certainly won't ensure you can work in the US after graduation.

However, doing an MBA from a school that has AMBA, EQUIS, or AACSB accreditation *will* ensure that you will get a quality education that is recognized by employers everywhere. My view on this is, if the MBA you're looking at is not accredited by one of these three organizations, you're usually better off just doing free online classes until you're able to do one that is.
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