University of Phoenix


mbaqanda
Hi All,

Just wanted to put up the red flag for the University of Phoenix.Could not find info on it. This University is accrediting itself. I know this sounds weird, but the stamp they have given themselves is given by a non-profit that they control themselves. If you look further, they are not accredited by any of the major accreditation organizations.

Sorry if this bothered you, just wanted to warn you after a colleague made this mistake.

Niels
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Hi All,

Just wanted to put up the red flag for the University of Phoenix.Could not find info on it. This University is accrediting itself. I know this sounds weird, but the stamp they have given themselves is given by a non-profit that they control themselves. If you look further, they are not accredited by any of the major accreditation organizations.

Sorry if this bothered you, just wanted to warn you after a colleague made this mistake.

Niels
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Duncan
Niels, you are mistaken. UoP is accredited by the HLC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_Learning_Commission) which is the regional accrediting body for the 19 mid-west and south-central US states.

There are reasons why people should not buy from UoP - principally that their graduation rate isn't great. But it is an accredited US university, not a diploma mill. Please don't make this stuff up.
Niels, you are mistaken. UoP is accredited by the HLC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_Learning_Commission) which is the regional accrediting body for the 19 mid-west and south-central US states.

There are reasons why people should not buy from UoP - principally that their graduation rate isn't great. But it is an accredited US university, not a diploma mill. Please don't make this stuff up.
mbaqanda
They control that board. So, that would be like me saying "I am the best MBA consultant on the planet (which arguably can be right, but still not providing any weight to my argument).

Niels
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They control that board. So, that would be like me saying "I am the best MBA consultant on the planet (which arguably can be right, but still not providing any weight to my argument).

Niels
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Duncan
Niels, anyone can tell you that you're not the best MBA consultant on the planet because you keep on saying stuff that just isn't true. Here's the board of the Higher Learning Commission: http://www.ncahlc.org/Decision-Making-Bodies/hlc-board-of-trustees.html How does UoP control this board, when it's overwhelmingly made up of senior appointees from state governments and senior professors from universities and colleges with no connection to UoP.

An, if UoP controlled it, why would the US federal government and every prestigious university in those 19 states allow that.

Honestly, you don't need to be perfect to be an MBA admissions consultant. You can be lazy *or* stupid. But you can't be both because you end up, like now, asserting things which are both easily verified as being untrue and at the same time are self-evidently untrue to anyone familiar with the MBA market.

Students here are making important, life changing, decisions. You owe it to them to bring your best work to your comments here.

If you seriously think at UoP controls the HLC, bring a reference or a fact to support it. Please don't just make this stuff up.
Niels, anyone can tell you that you're not the best MBA consultant on the planet because you keep on saying stuff that just isn't true. Here's the board of the Higher Learning Commission: http://www.ncahlc.org/Decision-Making-Bodies/hlc-board-of-trustees.html How does UoP control this board, when it's overwhelmingly made up of senior appointees from state governments and senior professors from universities and colleges with no connection to UoP.

An, if UoP controlled it, why would the US federal government and every prestigious university in those 19 states allow that.

Honestly, you don't need to be perfect to be an MBA admissions consultant. You can be lazy *or* stupid. But you can't be both because you end up, like now, asserting things which are both easily verified as being untrue and at the same time are self-evidently untrue to anyone familiar with the MBA market.

Students here are making important, life changing, decisions. You owe it to them to bring your best work to your comments here.

If you seriously think at UoP controls the HLC, bring a reference or a fact to support it. Please don't just make this stuff up.
Duncan
Does anyone have any suggestions for how can convince Niels? He sent me this message:-
Message from mbaqanda
listen dude, please stop being at my nerves. This The Higher Learning Commission is a bunch of bullshit as University of P is on that board. You are missing the point for the 5th time. Are you on drugs?


According to its website, UoP isn't on the HLC board. Where can we go from here?
Does anyone have any suggestions for how can convince Niels? He sent me this message:-
<blockquote>Message from mbaqanda
listen dude, please stop being at my nerves. This The Higher Learning Commission is a bunch of bullshit as University of P is on that board. You are missing the point for the 5th time. Are you on drugs?</blockquote>

According to its website, UoP isn't on the HLC board. Where can we go from here?
mbaqanda
7th time you are missing the point.
7th time you are missing the point.
Duncan
Niels. "The point" according to you is that that the HLC can't be trusted because UoP is on the board. But it isn't. It's true that I keep on missing the point, because your point is profoundly mistaken. It is pointless for you to say that people who disagree with you are on drugs or miss the point, when you can't point to a single reference to back up your claims.
Niels. "The point" according to you is that that the HLC can't be trusted because UoP is on the board. But it isn't. It's true that I keep on missing the point, because your point is profoundly mistaken. It is pointless for you to say that people who disagree with you are on drugs or miss the point, when you can't point to a single reference to back up your claims.
mbaqanda
It is right there on the website as we said before. Why are you so on the offense? You make yourself sound like a lion. Our CEO really got upset with you yesterday.

Shweta
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It is right there on the website as we said before. Why are you so on the offense? You make yourself sound like a lion. Our CEO really got upset with you yesterday.

Shweta
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Duncan
If its on the website then post a link here. In my post above from yesterday morning I posted a link which lists the members of the HLC board and there is no-one from UoP on the HLC board. Your colleague Niels is mistaken.

But, even if UoP did have a member on the HLC board, what would that mean? The HLC and North Central Association date back to the 19th century and is one of the most respected university accreditation bodies in the US. It accredits every respected university across 19 states. How can Niels think this is run by one college? Your boss is not doing the basic research.

I am glad your boss got upset. I and other people were right to disagree with him. What he said about the HLC is stupid but what he said about HEC is unethical and immoral. You and your boss should find another sort of work because his advice will lead students in very wrong directions.
If its on the website then post a link here. In my post above from yesterday morning I posted a link which lists the members of the HLC board and there is no-one from UoP on the HLC board. Your colleague Niels is mistaken.

But, even if UoP did have a member on the HLC board, what would that mean? The HLC and North Central Association date back to the 19th century and is one of the most respected university accreditation bodies in the US. It accredits every respected university across 19 states. How can Niels think this is run by one college? Your boss is not doing the basic research.

I am glad your boss got upset. I and other people were right to disagree with him. What he said about the HLC is stupid but what he said about HEC is unethical and immoral. You and your boss should find another sort of work because his advice will lead students in very wrong directions.
mbaqanda
I am happy with your career advice. Just that I am going on here as a legitimate kind of business. This will certainly not count for all people in this thread.

Niels
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I am happy with your career advice. Just that I am going on here as a legitimate kind of business. This will certainly not count for all people in this thread.

Niels
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Duncan
Niels, how legitimate can your advice be when -- for example on the UoP and HLC - you are stating as facts something which are clearly not true. That itself is libel.
Niels, how legitimate can your advice be when -- for example on the UoP and HLC - you are stating as facts something which are clearly not true. That itself is libel.
Regardless of who is on the board, The UoP is a regionally accredited university by the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (NCA) via the Higher Learning Commision (HLC). The NCA is recognized by both the US Department of Education and the Council for Higher Education accreditation. The legitimacy of the university was never, and should not be in doubt. Full Stop.
Regardless of who is on the board, The UoP is a regionally accredited university by the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (NCA) via the Higher Learning Commision (HLC). The NCA is recognized by both the US Department of Education and the Council for Higher Education accreditation. The legitimacy of the university was never, and should not be in doubt. Full Stop.
Obviously, you both feel very strongly about UoP
Does anyone have ranking information on their MBA program?
I could not find ranking anywhere.


About about to make a lifetime decision :-)
Obviously, you both feel very strongly about UoP
Does anyone have ranking information on their MBA program?
I could not find ranking anywhere.


About about to make a lifetime decision :-)

Point #2

There are 52 business schools listed on to this site,
There are 100 most popular business schools
UoP isn't on either. hehe

link
http://www.find-mba.com/most-popular/usa
Point #2

There are 52 business schools listed on to this site,
There are 100 most popular business schools
UoP isn't on either. hehe

link
http://www.find-mba.com/most-popular/usa
Duncan
No, UoP won't appear on any respected ranking because it doesn't have international accreditation. See http://www.find-mba.com/accreditations

[Edited by Duncan on Nov 21, 2015]

No, UoP won't appear on any respected ranking because it doesn't have international accreditation. See http://www.find-mba.com/accreditations
Thanks D. I knew there was something fishy about that school !! haaah.

OK, so Thunderbird it is. thanks :)
Thanks D. I knew there was something fishy about that school !! haaah.

OK, so Thunderbird it is. thanks :)
Duncan
Seriously???!? Thunderbird is a risk right now.
http://chronicle.com/article/Thunderbird-Business-School/140837/
http://poetsandquants.com/2013/07/11/thunderbird-a-case-study-in-organizational-decline/
http://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2013/05/30/thunderbird-alumni-protest-link-profit-laureate
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-15/thunderbird-a-case-study-for-b-school-managers
Seriously???!? Thunderbird is a risk right now.
http://chronicle.com/article/Thunderbird-Business-School/140837/
http://poetsandquants.com/2013/07/11/thunderbird-a-case-study-in-organizational-decline/
http://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2013/05/30/thunderbird-alumni-protest-link-profit-laureate
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-15/thunderbird-a-case-study-for-b-school-managers
Carey ? idk, I want something near Tempe. Any thoughts would be appreciated. :)

isn't Thunderbird supposed to be #1 in Global MBA? what happened?
Carey ? idk, I want something near Tempe. Any thoughts would be appreciated. :)

isn't Thunderbird supposed to be #1 in Global MBA? what happened?
I'm willing to take in and listen to whatever you have. I'm in the research process as we speak :)

So I read the deal on TB. Maybe ASU is a safer bet?
I'm willing to take in and listen to whatever you have. I'm in the research process as we speak :)

So I read the deal on TB. Maybe ASU is a safer bet?
Duncan
ASU is safer. Use http://www.find-mba.com/search too
ASU is safer. Use http://www.find-mba.com/search too

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