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iuri

Joined: 31 Aug 2006
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:14 AM
Hello Noya,
How was your vacation?
That's interesting what you say about scholarships of Swiss government! Even if deadline is over, I would be very interested to know what the conditions are!! Do you know details?
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noya

Joined: 12 Sep 2006
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Sat Nov 04, 2006 02:19 AM
Hello Iuri, the vacation was nice, went to yogyakarta to visit relatives.
here is the link to the swiss scholarship:
www.eda.admin.ch/jakarta_emb/e/home/educa/schol.ht…

good luck
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iuri

Joined: 31 Aug 2006
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:08 AM
Hello Noya,
did you decide to go Switzerland finally?

I would prefer Germany if I had the choice...
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noya

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Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:50 AM
Hello Iuri,
haven't decided yet. am in process of applying. Will probably apply to schools in spain or france (to gain benefit of the language), UK (my relatives live there), belgium or netherlands (cheaper). For germany, FHW berlin offers MBA with a strong emphasis on Asian economy/business. my friend went to one, he said was ok. but i don't speak german at all, so i don't think i would go there.

For germany, there's scholarship opportunity for Indonesians as well. check DAAD web site.
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iuri

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Wed Nov 08, 2006 03:01 PM
Which FHW is this, which city?
Thanks for this info about DAAD. I had already heard about it but never checked it out. Now I will!
Iuri
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LaVoz de Galicia


Joined: 13 Dec 2005
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 03:08 PM
Noya was referring to FHW Berlin, which is also known as Berlin School of Economics or Institute of Management Berlin. A bit confusing. That's the link: www.mba-berlin.de/

[Edited by LaVoz de Galicia on 08 Nov 2006]
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iuri

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Fri Nov 10, 2006 07:23 PM
Sorry Noya, I was in a hurry when I wrote last time...
So this friend of yours who did FHW in Berlin, said it was so so? Does not sound encouraging... can you say more?

Regarding costs, I think Germany is quite cheap too, even compared to Belgium or Netherlands. Well anyhow, I am really tempted by Germany, I can't really tell why, but I will try to go there. Language is a benefit as well, no?
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AndyP

Joined: 11 Nov 2006
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 06:31 PM
I just checked their website again. SBS is accredited by several organizations, including FIBAA, which is the most important accreditation organization in German speaking countries. See http://www.sbs.edu/discover/accreditation.asp



I could not find any reference to SBS on the fibaa website. According to this discussion website: www.fernstudium-infos.de/fernstudium-anbieter-schw… (in German), SBS is just a member of FIBAA, but not accredited. If you read the website word by word, there is nothing about an accreditation by FIBAA either: www.sbs.edu/discover/accreditation.asp
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AndyP

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Sun Nov 12, 2006 06:48 PM
I could not find SBS in the "anabin" database either: http://213.157.12.18/scripts/
SelectLand.asp?SuchLand=4&MyURL=lstAliasnamen.asp
That could mean that the MBA is not recogized in Germany. Better check about your own country.

FYI:
The ZAB (Zentralstelle für ausländisches Bildungswesen) is based at the Secretariat of the KMK. Its website provides information on the responsibilities and services which the ZAB performs in the field of evaluating and recognising foreign educational qualifications and certificates; it also lists further sources of information and publications. The ZAB information system on the recognition of foreign educational certificates and degrees can be found at: www.anabin.de.
Languages: KMK: German, with some basic information in English, ZAB: German and English, ANABIN: German

[Edited by AndyP on 12 Nov 2006]
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noya

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:38 AM
Hullo Iuri, well, my friend took marketing concentration for his MBA. he said the MBA program is great, but maybe not for the marketing side. He said there were 2 Indonesian students participated in the class graduating this month (started last year, that is). I think berlin is worth considering because of the cost (both tuition and living). It's accredited by FIBAA though none of the AACSB/AMBA/Equis. The language of instruction is English. I have also friends who go to Nuremberg. Yes, german will be great skill to learn (trade between id-ger is rising) , and the europe's biggest economy in the 2nd quarter grew at its fastest since Sept. 2000 ! :) another MBA in germany that my friend suggested was Reutlingen, and also of course the WHU (this one has tie with Kellog), but the last is quite expensive.
I try to choose spain because the trade between indonesia and spain is still low. so, there's a potential there :) besides, spanish is one of most widely spoken language
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noya

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:27 AM
ooops sorry about nurnberg. i guess it's not FIBAA accredited. it has a MBA in finance, no tuition fee (gues s that's why my friends go there)
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iuri

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Wed Nov 22, 2006 08:56 AM
No tuition fee at all? Sure, that can't be of the best programs. You ought to pay, or it's not worth much...
Anways, I found it difficult to evaluate which schools to chose in Germany, where I'd preferebly go, because they are nowhere in the rankings. Annoying to go through the different accreditations they have, some are regional, you can't tell what they mean.
This school in Berlin you mentioned Noya sounds like the most interesting one until now.
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noya

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Wed Nov 22, 2006 09:48 AM
yup iuri, that can't be the best without tuition (with the exception NHH in norway, tthere's no tuition. problem is, am unsure i can stand the cold weather!). It certainly is difficult to find german schools in international rankings. therre is one, the NIMBAS.
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iuri

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Thu Nov 23, 2006 08:28 AM
Hi Noya, I forgot about Nimbas. But it is not a totally German program, am I wrong? I mean, you cannot do your whole studies only in Germany, but only partly you'll study in German locations I thought.

About the weather, as well in other parts of Europe it will be rough for us, like in Germany or Netherlands/Belgium - Norway is just a bit worse ;)
Harshest seems to be in winter that the sun dissapears at around 3.30pm and night falls... reason enough to get depressed ha!
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noya

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Thu Nov 23, 2006 09:55 AM
yeah, you're right. only partially in Germany, i guess. Don't want to study in spain? at least the weather is nice :)
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iuri

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Fri Nov 24, 2006 08:04 AM
Hello Noya, I talked to an Indonesian friend yesterday, who lives in Frankfurt for some years already, and she says that she finds it quite pleasant to live in a cooler climate after all those years she had to stand the Indonesian heat - because it is always hot, and never cools off, and there you have many different kind of weathers. She never missed the heat, can you imagine?
Tht's the way I'll look at it! ;)
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Mueller

Joined: 26 Mar 2006
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Sun Mar 11, 2007 05:32 PM
ok, that's what I thought - I was really wondering how could I mix that up.
About the rankings, you don't find SBS in the top ones, that's true, but it is the third Swiss school to appear (sometimes..) in the international rankings after IMD and St. Gallen


Joerg, I would be interested to know which rankings you are referring to.

[Edited by Mueller on 12 Mar 2007]
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Irena

Joined: 07 Oct 2006
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Mon Mar 12, 2007 09:33 PM
I was a bit surprised as well to read Joerg's comments. In the rankings I know I only found IMD, St. Gallen, Business School Lausanne.
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Saka

Joined: 30 Mar 2007
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Sat Mar 31, 2007 05:46 PM
This is a great discussion group.
I am looking for MBA in the French speaking part of Europe.
The tution is something that is bearing heavily in my mind.
I have upto USD 15,000 in savings, and I am not taking any loans at all. I know that part time work can take care of your stay. With this in mind, IMD and SBS are ruled out.
I just started researching as to what next.
Also what are the chances of getting a job in the same country after the MBA, especially for non EU residents.
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Irena

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Sun Apr 01, 2007 01:25 PM
Saka, if you want to make sure to find a job in EU after finishing your MBA, you should chose a program with a good reputation.
This is not so easy within your financial limits. I think for you a part time MBA would be the best option.

For one it will allow you to finance your studies. Don't forget that you'll need to cover your living costs, and 15 000 USD will probably not be enough for this only, and French speaking Europe is not the cheapest part. Plus tuition...

Besides, especially in order to stay in Europa, it makes a lot of sense for you to work already during your MBA. For non EU residents it's not so difficult to get a study visa in EU. After after the end of the studies it becomes a lot more complicated. Best way to get a working permit is an employer. If f.eg. you work during your MBA for 2 years, your employer will certainly make some efforts to keep you afterwards. Whereas it is a lot more difficult to find a job after your studies.

Of course, if you do one of the top programs like IMD, INSEAD, or IE, you don't need to worry about finding a job afterwards I would say...

[Edited by Irena on 01 Apr 2007]
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Saka

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Sun Apr 01, 2007 02:57 PM
Hey Irena

Thanks for your quick response.

As you said part time MBA would suit me perfectly provided I can actually get a student visa for part time MBA. I am currently in the US on a work permit. At least here I know that they dont give student visa for part time studies. I think I will ask the colleges or the consulate here about that.

I have about 15K right now and perhaps could get another 15K by next year this time, which would be enough or tution in a few reputed colleges. About the living costs, I was thinking or working part time doing odd jobs. I am into IT with 6 years of development expertise in J2EE.

There is Webster University in Geneva and another one Grenoble Graduate School of Business, have you heard about those.

Also I have an MS from US for which I appeared for TOFEL. That was 9 years ago. Is it still required that I appear for the exam again or my MS degree would be sufficient?

I know ... too many questions.

Thanks again for your advice,

[Edited by Saka on 01 Apr 2007]
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iuri

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Wed Apr 04, 2007 03:00 PM
HI Saka,
I would not do odd jobs, but try to find something with a good perspective for the future.
I have an Indonesian friend f.ex. who is currently finishing her business studies in Frankfurt and she works part time at American express. She often tells me how annoying it is to get a visa, but she always gets it as long as she is a student. But now that the end of her studies approach, she is so happy to have the backing of her employer for the visa issue!
Besides, and that is the main advantage, American express is very likely to keep her as an employee, wheras they are firing other poeple. This shows that she has quite some value for them.

Try to find something where you at least might want to continue working afterwards, with IT that should be possible, no?

[Edited by iuri on 04 Apr 2007]
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Saka

Joined: 30 Mar 2007
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Wed Apr 04, 2007 03:11 PM
Hi Iuri

Thanks for your feedback.

That was what I have in mind as well.

Get a job in a company which can be made fulltime after graduation. This way that pay could be a bit better than working in a restaurant and will have the prospect of getting the work permit soon after graduation. My IT background, I am hoping would be able to secure me a decent position during my study.

The other part of my previous post, have you heard about Websters in Geneva and Grenoble Business school in France. Grenoble has three accreditions (AMBA, AACSB and Equis) and is rated 4th in one of FT ratings. Nothing about Websters though.
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laurentGRAILLE

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Thu Apr 05, 2007 02:05 PM
Hello,
Grenoble BSchool i can only recommend. As you say, it is triple accredited, and has good positions in the rankings, which establishes its high quality. Besides, I had very goood echos from people who studied there.

The other school you mention, Websters, is not known, at least I haven't heard about it, and it's not in the rankings as far as I can see. Did you check the accreditations?

Do you intend to do a specialized MBA in your field, IT, or a general one?
Laurent

[Edited by laurentGRAILLE on 05 Apr 2007]
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Saka

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Thu Apr 05, 2007 02:29 PM
Hi

It is nice to get a second opinion saying that Grenoble is a good one. Just wanted to hear it.

Webster's is a US based univeristy with a campus in Geneva. I couldn't see any accreditions and hence was asking about it.

Also I have an MS in CS from a university in US, for which I already appeared for TOEFL, Do I need to appear for TOEFL again. Anyone knows about it.

Thanks you.
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